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Hardy Update: He signs tender, long term talks continue


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#61 cptx

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:43 PM



There comes a time when fans need to sit back, STFU, and let things play out before they throw in the towel and start bitching about every little thing they can find to bitch about.

 

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:46 PM

The trade option is pretty much dead.  Sure, technically we could trade him, but the reality is that the team was clear at the time they tagged Hardy that they were using the tag to give them more time to negotiate a long-term deal.  They want him on the team, and they have no interest in getting rid of him.  Also, the fact that Hardy signed it so quickly, before even looking to see if another team was interested, shows that he really wants to be here.  Both parties want Hardy to be a Panther for a long time, it's just a matter of working out the details. 



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:46 PM

Hardy isn't going anywhere. Everyone needs to get over it. He deserves his 13m this year or whatever long term contract he gets. Good for the Panthers for realizing the talent they had and keeping him here.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:48 PM

Love Hardy's play and do not doubt that he is worth $13M per season. My only issue is that with him and CJ, that is $30M of cap space and we have huge holes.

Would love to keep him, but I do think we would be better off as a team to let him walk and spend that money on a starting LT (Monroe) and either a starting WR/CB. That would shore up two huge holes and allow us to draft BPA.

Just my humble opinion.


My take on positions is that the most important ones are as follows:

1. QB
2.LT
3. DE

I consider LT and DE to be very close in importance but I give the edge to LT since the QB can't do his job as well as he could if you don't have a talented one. And of course after this is CB and WR, two positions that battle each other much like LT and DE do.

Both LT and WR need to be addressed in my mind. But at the very least this tag money isn't going to like tolbert or whatever and I'd focus on cutting guys like Godfrey to open a chunk of cap I can use on a starting LT or WR than letting Hardy walk.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

Love Hardy's play and do not doubt that he is worth $13M per season.  My only issue is that with him and CJ, that is $30M of cap space and we have huge holes.

 

Would love to keep him, but I do think we would be better off as a team to let him walk and spend that money on a starting LT (Monroe) and either a starting WR/CB.  That would shore up two huge holes and allow us to draft BPA.

 

Just my humble opinion.

I think it is a matter of structure.  I believe the team and Hardy will eventually agree on a long-term deal that gives us a 6-9 million cap hit for the next couple of years while CJ is hitting his big numbers.  Then when Hardy's numbers get big, we will either redo CJ's deal or let him go (the delay gives us time to bring in and groom a replacement, if necessary).  Either way, I don't think their huge cap numbers will overlap much...relatively speaking.
 



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:02 PM

Personally, I love that we retained Hardy. Between him and CJ, and Star and KK improving from their rookie seasons, our D-Line will be the best in the NFL next year. With Kuechly and TD behind them with an improved Klein and an improved Lester, our entire defense will beast every team we play. If offense scores 14, we'll win 75% of our games next year.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

And for those that look at the cap and say that we don't have the money to bring in anyone good, lets take a look.

 

Lets assume that we get a long-term deal done with Hardy (a reasonable assumption considering both sides have shown that's what they want).  Following the numbers of most big deals, the cap number for the first year or two is fairly reasonable...say between 6-7 million in year one.  That means that we gain an additional 6-7 million in cap space this year (I'll go low and say 6 million).

 

Well, we have about 6 million in space right now, so if you add in the additional 6 million, that means we would have 12 million available to sign FA's. 

 

Now, lets make another logical assumption and say we release Godfrey as a June 1st cut, that gives us another 5 million to work with.

 

So, with just those two moves, we would have at least 17 million that we can use to fill out our roster.  That's plenty to bring in a big-time FA such as Monroe to replace Gross, sign Mitchell and Ginn, and bring in a few guys on 1 year contracts...still leaving some money for rookies, in-season moves, and possible carry over money.  And that doesn't even include any of the other moves Gettleman could make if he wants to clear more cap space.

 

Point is that we are in pretty good shape, and Gettleman has the resources to fill in any holes we have with at least comparable talent to what we had last year...and improve some. 



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

And for those that look at the cap and say that we don't have the money to bring in anyone good, lets take a look.

Lets assume that we get a long-term deal done with Hardy (a reasonable assumption considering both sides have shown that's what they want). Following the numbers of most big deals, the cap number for the first year or two is fairly reasonable...say between 6-7 million in year one. That means that we gain an additional 6-7 million in cap space this year (I'll go low and say 6 million).

Well, we have about 6 million in space right now, so if you add in the additional 6 million, that means we would have 12 million available to sign FA's.

Now, lets make another logical assumption and say we release Godfrey as a June 1st cut, that gives us another 5 million to work with.

So, with just those two moves, we would have at least 17 million that we can use to fill out our roster. That's plenty to bring in a big-time FA such as Monroe to replace Gross, sign Mitchell and Ginn, and bring in a few guys on 1 year contracts...still leaving some money for rookies, in-season moves, and possible carry over money. And that doesn't even include any of the other moves Gettleman could make if he wants to clear more cap space.

Point is that we are in pretty good shape, and Gettleman has the resources to fill in any holes we have with at least comparable talent to what we had last year...and improve some.


Yes. I just don't see why it is so hard for folks to understand this.

We aren't done.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 04:53 PM

I dont think we will have like a 3-13 season but I do think with whats happened we will see a 8-8 team in a year with a easy schedule. In other words a down year because we could have done way better. With Hardy signing we are more cash strapped than even last year, thats what concerns me.


Predicting an 8-8 record before free agency has begun AND before the draft is absolutely ridiculous to me.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:09 PM

My thoughts exactly.  This is our big free agent signing and hopefully a long term deal can be reached in the near future.

 

Ask Atlanta, TB and NO how they feel about seeing him in a Panthers uniform again....

 

 

We did pretty good the #1 FA is now a Panther. ..

 



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:00 PM

I think it is a matter of structure. I believe the team and Hardy will eventually agree on a long-term deal that gives us a 6-9 million cap hit for the next couple of years while CJ is hitting his big numbers. Then when Hardy's numbers get big, we will either redo CJ's deal or let him go (the delay gives us time to bring in and groom a replacement, if necessary). Either way, I don't think their huge cap numbers will overlap much...relatively speaking.


That is what I am hoping for....with that, we could sign Hardy and a LT like Monroe for about that same 13m

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

Yes. I just don't see why it is so hard for folks to understand this.

We aren't done.

Agree. But we have to be careful that we just don't kick this cap hell can down the road and are in worse shape in the next few years. Restructuring just makes the future tougher....better hope the cap goes up big in the next few years if we do. That us what Hurvey bet on and we all lost.

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:05 PM

Expect a long term agreement before next Tuesday. Gettleman needs that cap space badly and might have to concede a few perks to Hardy.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:44 PM

Agree. But we have to be careful that we just don't kick this cap hell can down the road and are in worse shape in the next few years. Restructuring just makes the future tougher....better hope the cap goes up big in the next few years if we do. That us what Hurvey bet on and we all lost.


But these are the types of deals you want for your every down core group of players. The super stars. Cam, Hardy and Luke are our Super-stars and not only that, but they are brand-able players who make average players into playmakers because of their talent.

Sure, we are gonna have to pay that super-star WR once we get him and elite LTs don't come cheap, but the rest of the guys just have to be serviceable and it's next man up once you get that continuity.

Look at the Pats, Steelers, Packers and Giants. I mean half their players you've never heard of, but they play like all-pros surrounded by the leaders on their team.

TE is a great example of next man up for the Panthers. I mean, can you even name a sub-par TE that has played for us?

Same thing at RB. Nick Goings? I mean seriously...we aren't going to have to sink money like that into Rbs again after wwe get out of these contracts in a couple of years. Same thing with DTs, OGs, TEs and corners, because the rest of the guys make their jobs really easy.

Success is here to stay now that we have the swagger and success breeds success. We're friggin' Panthers for Pete sake! Rawww-errraw!!

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:50 PM

But these are the types of deals you want for your every down core group of players. The super stars. Cam, Hardy and Luke are our Super-stars and not only that, but they are brand-able players who make average players into playmakers because of their talent.

Sure, we are gonna have to pay that super-star WR once we get him and elite LTs don't come cheap, but the rest of the guys just have to be serviceable and it's next man up once you get that continuity.

Look at the Pats, Steelers, Packers and Giants. I mean half their players you've never heard of, but they play like all-pros surrounded by the leaders on their team.

TE is a great example of next man up for the Panthers. I mean, can you even name a sub-par TE that has played for us?

Same thing at RB. Nick Goings? I mean seriously...we aren't going to have to sink money like that into Rbs again after wwe get out of these contracts in a couple of years. Same thing with DTs, OGs, TEs and corners, because the rest of the guys make their jobs really easy.

Success is here to stay now that we have the swagger and success breeds success. We're friggin' Panthers for Pete sake! Rawww-errraw!!


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