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The Legend of Duke's Kyrie Irving


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#31 MedellinHeel

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 02:54 PM

At the same token look at Lebron. Makes everyone better but had to team up with 2 other all stars (one being a superstar) to win it all. 



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 03:53 PM

I dont think I would even come close to comparing Irving to Bron. (In your situation/theory)

 

Bron took the Cavs to playoffs and to a finals with very little talent around him. 

 

Irving has a decent core there and they are barely making if they make the playoffs. (Way more talent in Cleveland then when Bron was there)



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 04:12 PM

Lebron is arguably the most talented player ever so i mean.... kinda cancels out.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:37 PM

Irving is a good player but he's delicate - physcially and mentally. 



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:47 PM

He's a very talented player no doubt, but his lack of development is disturbing- he is exactly the same player now in his 3rd year that he was as a 19 year old rookie.  He is still young so he certainly still has the potential to get better, but its not a good sign.

 

In a lot of ways he reminds me of Ricky Rubio (though obviously their games are completely different).  Both guys came into the league showing such a high skill level (Kyrie's shooting, Rubio's passing and defense) that people got carried away thinking how good they were gonna be 5 years down the road. 

 

But potential is far from a guarantee, and the NBA is filled with talented guys who seemed to have so much potential at one point.  Sometimes its a mental thing, sometimes its just playing for a bad organization.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:55 PM

Kyrie has an amazing offense. I think everyone agrees on that.

And duke fans, please stop whining. This debate has nothing to do with college basketball at all. This is about who is a better NBA player and who is/isn't a superstar. When/if either of these players win a ring, they'll be labelled by the name and logo of their NBA teams, not their college's.

Now for my view:

I don't think either is a superstar.
Both very good players.
Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Both have similar situation with the talent they've played with since joining the league.

A superstar is a player who has the ability to single- handedly win the game for his team. A player who can dominate in every second of the game on offense AND defense.

Can both Kemba and Kyrie go off and score a lot and put up great stats and look good on tv? Hell yes they can. But neither has showed that domination that guys like lebron, Kobe, Carmelo, kd, wade (a few years ago), young mcgrady and roy, most recently have shown. These guys always kept their teams in the game. If they were on the court, the game could be won. When I watch the cavs or bcats, I don't see that. There are games that I would strike up an L on both schedules. It just seems like the bloated stats of both players some nights is the result of underperforming teammates. It's about overall talent and consistency. Both have talent but neither can dominate night in and night out.

I think this generation uses the term "superstar" waaaaaaay to much. For these 2, talented would be a better label IMO.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:13 PM

Kyrie has an amazing offense. I think everyone agrees on that.

And duke fans, please stop whining. This debate has nothing to do with college basketball at all. This is about who is a better NBA player and who is/isn't a superstar. When/if either of these players win a ring, they'll be labelled by the name and logo of their NBA teams, not their college's.

Now for my view:

I don't think either is a superstar.
Both very good players.
Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Both have similar situation with the talent they've played with since joining the league.

A superstar is a player who has the ability to single- handedly win the game for his team. A player who can dominate in every second of the game on offense AND defense.

Can both Kemba and Kyrie go off and score a lot and put up great stats and look good on tv? Hell yes they can. But neither has showed that domination that guys like lebron, Kobe, Carmelo, kd, wade (a few years ago), young mcgrady and roy, most recently have shown. These guys always kept their teams in the game. If they were on the court, the game could be won. When I watch the cavs or bcats, I don't see that. There are games that I would strike up an L on both schedules. It just seems like the bloated stats of both players some nights is the result of underperforming teammates. It's about overall talent and consistency. Both have talent but neither can dominate night in and night out.

I think this generation uses the term "superstar" waaaaaaay to much. For these 2, talented would be a better label IMO.

Only Superstars are LeBron and Durant. Kobe used to be but not any more.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:21 PM

Only Superstars are LeBron and Durant. Kobe used to be but not any more.

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Point is, the guys I noted are or have been and neither Kyrie or Kemba is or has been.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:29 PM

Kemba is a very good player, but Kyrie is just better. Bashing on Kyrie with his skillset is beyond laughable. Nobody, and I mean nobody in the league can guard him one on one. Some of you are actually comparing the fact that Kemba will probably help lead his team to the playoffs while Kyrie probably will not? Really? Well I ask you this then, when Kemba was the same age as Kyrie is now, and this hurts to remember back, but what was Kemba's teams record at that age? Oh yeah, the worst in NBA history. Ouch, that hurt to think about, but it is true. Do not talk about team accomplishments when discussing the talent level of individual players at such young ages. I seem to remember those selfish comments reguarding one Michael Jordan in the early stages of his career, and how did that work out? And do not put words in my mouth, am not calling Kyrie the next Jordan because he is not, but he is very young still. And all this dumb talk about him not being a team player is crazy too. The guy gets 22 a night, but could go for 30 a night if he decided to.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:58 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

-water is wet

-the sun is hot

-Kyrie is done for the season

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 11:19 AM

id take ty over both  :devil:



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Posted 23 March 2014 - 12:05 PM

My Duke hatred stops when they go pro, if you're a good player and contribute to the cause then you're welcome on my team.


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