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What Camp are you in?

  1. Sign Hardy to massive long-term contract (18 votes [17.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.48%

  2. Let Hardy play under Franchise Tag and work it out next year (11 votes [10.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.68%

  3. Trade Hardy for Cap space and Draft picks (46 votes [44.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.66%

  4. Pie- in Gettlemen I trust.. (28 votes [27.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.18%

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#31 Bogart

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:09 AM

But we have two making top dollar. Look I get the "keep strengths strong" argument. But we have a lot of holes to fill.


Yeah, when Hardy was tagged it did confuse me as to how we can pay for other needed help. I kind of think that either Gman thought he could trade Hardy for picks or he thinks he can work out a better contract. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have CJ's bloated contract on the books. In reality we should have about 20 mil dedicated to the DE positions every year with younger developing options as backup's waiting to step in around contract time.

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#32 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:09 AM

Trading Greg Hardy could net two 1st round picks for the Panthers. No one can tell me that's not worth at least considering. Hardy is good but being able to have the cap space he's taking up AND that compensation in return? I'd take it, use the cap space to re-sign guys like Mitchell and Ginn, draft a DE with one of your 1st's and still have some money to get a LT or WR in FA. WIN.


In the land of hypotheticals you're right, but in reality it's not going to happen.

#33 MadHatter

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:10 AM

Yeah, when Hardy was tagged it did confuse me as to how we can pay for other needed help. I kind of think that either Gman thought he could trade Hardy for picks or he thinks he can work out a better contract. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have CJ's bloated contract on the books. In reality we should have about 20 mil dedicated to the DE positions every year with younger developing options as backup's waiting to step in around contract time.

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These are exactly the points that worry me as well.

 

I am just nervous about having $30M (almost 1/4 of our cap space) tied up in the DE position when our CF, S, WR, and OT positions are in such need of upgrade.

 

I hope Gett knows what he is doing on this one.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:12 AM

Team Locke. 



#35 Bogart

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:17 AM

These are exactly the points that worry me as well.

I am jsut nervous about having $30M (almost 1/4 of our cap space) tied up in the DE position when our CF, S, WR, and OT positions are in such need of upgrade.

I hope Gett knows what he is doing on this one.


I'm with you on that! I know he has a plan but I sure can't figure it out. Obviously he has intimate details on all the contracts the team has and has lots of alternatives that he can use to come up with money somehow. It does ease my mind that he is a great personnel evaluator and that he can bring in skilled players at bargain basement prices through FA and UDFA. I think most underestimate how important that is.

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#36 TheNewStandard

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:18 AM

If the Panthers can work out a long-term deal with Hardy, then we have no reason to want to trade him.

You chicken-littles are too worried about letting him go for nothing when we are gonna need every bit of his 14 sacks to get us back into the playoffs...which is what we should be expecting with or without Mitchell, Ginn and Gross.

I never ever, never ever, ever ever, never want any of our LTs present or future to have to go up against the Kraken. NEVER

#37 SCP

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:21 AM

What are you talking about? Most teams overpay to keep their good players. Ecsecially when that player is a 26 year old elite pass rusher and great run defender. So your logic is to build through the draft, let them play out their rookie contracts and then let them go sign with another team to play out their prime years? How does that make sense? Name me 10 defensive ends better than Hardy and if you can please let me know how many of those teams decided not to pay them.

Ted Thompson may just be the best GM in football and he gave a huge contract to Sam Shields. That's just one of thousands of examples. I don't understand what that means good teams don't overpay to keep their players.


How many teams have the amount of money invested in RBs as we do? Paying two DEs and two RBs elite level money is not fiscally smart when your roster is littered with holes.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:23 AM

If the Panthers can work out a long-term deal with Hardy, then we have no reason to want to trade him.

You chicken-littles are too worried about letting h go for nothing when we are gonna need every bit of his 14 sacks to her us back into the playoffs...which is what we should be expecting with or without Mitchell, Ginn and Gross.

I never ever, never ever, ever ever, never want any of our LTs present or future to have to go up against the Kraken. NEVER


Greg Hardy hasn't shown up in big games. Most of those sacks came against nobodies. Let's not forget how much he benefits from playing next to Star, KK, and CJ. In the two games that CJ didn't play, Wes Horton had more sacks than Hardy. He's a great young player, but he's not worth 13 mil.

#39 NJPanthers12

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:26 AM

How many teams have the amount of money invested in RBs as we do? Paying two DEs and two RBs elite level money is not fiscally smart when your roster is littered with holes.


I couldn't agree with you more on the running backs. Hurney messed that up awfully. I still don't see why we can't make DeAngelo a June 1 cut. But I find it hard to reason that because of Stewart and DeAngelo we need to let one of our best players and elite pass rushers just go and make us worse. I feel like the better way to reason it is that we aren't investing 28 million into 2 DEs. I like to reason it as we are investing 28 million into 2 core players especially when Cam and Luke are making well under market rate.

#40 Khaki Lackey

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:29 AM

In Gettleman I trust. The guy went on an on about how the d line would improve the secondary and he couldn't have been more correct. If he's going to trade Hardy, it's only because he knows without a doubt that there is somebody to take over that is close to Hardy's level of talent. (Which is very unlikely.)

#41 Dollar Store Dave

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

Where is the mortgage Hardy for a season and let him walk at the end of next season option?

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:33 AM

Where is the mortgage Hardy for a season and let him walk at the end of next season option?

 

Wouldn't that be the worst of all? 



#43 TheNewStandard

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:35 AM

CJ and Hardy are going to be Top-5 DEs on any team they go to.

Losing one would really hurt our defense and really help another team's.

Losing one and then another one of our front 7 gets injured and our team falls apart.

The salary cap is going up every year and the money is going to be there for our core of CJ, GH, Cam, Star and LK because of the expiring contracts that will be coming off the books and by non core players getting cut.

These next 3 drafts will be crucial for our team's chance for a SB over the next 3 years. If we can get 3 starters in each of those drafts and we can keep our core together, we are gonna win multiple Super Bowls.

We need to draft a staring G, #1 WR and CB in this years draft.

Next year we will need to get that LT for sure, a S and probably a TE.

The year after that, we'll need a LB, RB and another T.

If we get BPA at those positions with our top 3 rounds each year, stay healthy and keep our core locked-in, we are going to be special for a long-long time.

#44 Gin and Juice

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:37 AM

Here is one for ya.......according to salary cap calculator, making CJ a June 1st cut frees up a LOT of money! But also creates significant dead money

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:38 AM

Greg Hardy hasn't shown up in big games. Most of those sacks came against nobodies. Let's not forget how much he benefits from playing next to Star, KK, and CJ. In the two games that CJ didn't play, Wes Horton had more sacks than Hardy. He's a great young player, but he's not worth 13 mil.

Every game is big in the NFL and yes, He showed up big vs Saints, Bucs and Atl and those are the teams we have to compete with in our division.

And none of our players showed up for San Fran so stfu with that Tired argument, it's full of poo, so stop using it.


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