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Generally players have more than one option that they can consider. If they can go to a contender, or come here, different things factor in. Most players want at least a somewhat long term commitment. Here we have a player under contract, and don't want to honor it.

How often do non-rookie deals go fulfilled?

Not very often. How is this different than Ware in Dallas, Peppers in Chicago or a player holding out until they get a new contract?

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The best option for this thing with Steve Smith should have been to rework his deal. From what it sounds like, we are hellbent on moving on from him no matter what. I don't think this really compares to Delhomme, Steve Smith could still be very productive, even at 35.

Steve said he wasn't willing to redo his deal.

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Really though, this whole thing could have been done with a little more class. That's what bothers most people.

In the interest of level headed, intelligent football conversation I'd like to ask you a question, as I respect everyone's opinions but would like to weed out those that are being emotional from the nut jobs. This is not necessarily to you specifically Red, but to AceBoogie and anyone else here that thinks Gettleman is some sort of New York bully throwing his weight around. So here goes.

If you were Gettleman, how EXACTLY would you have handled this "situation"?

When giving your answer please give it some logical thought and take into consideration the following factors:

1. Being asked on the spot about Steve Smith's 2014 status with the team, without notice, and without having been given a chance to notify Smith.

2. Having a sit down with Steve Smith, laying out the situation at hand, and explaining to him he must take a pay cut for the team to be successful in 2014 and beyond.

3. Steve Smith refusing to take a pay cut.

4. Having Steve Smith going on the radio adding fuel to an already combustible situation.

5. Being a GM, you need to do what you feel is best for the long term success of the team.

When you reply please give thoughtful answers and explain why you approached it the way you did. Feel free to elaborate, I will not give a childish TL;DR back at you. I will have a rebuttal on if I agree with your strategy and if I don't, I'll explain why. I'll tell you in what is only my opinion, what I think would happen both with the media and fanbase based off the decisions you've made and we'll go from there in a civil debate.

Because I'd genuinely like to know how people feel that want to burn Gettleman at the stake, and why specifically they feel that way.

Let's debate.

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How often do non-rookie deals go fulfilled?

Not very often. How is this different than Ware in Dallas, Peppers in Chicago or a player holding out until they get a new contract?

 

Well, poo like this is exactly why players holdout, and I really can't much blame them for it.

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Generally players have more than one option that they can consider. If they can go to a contender, or come here, different things factor in. Most players want at least a somewhat long term commitment. Here we have a player under contract, and don't want to honor it.

 

But isn't that the case for every player in the NFL that gets cut or released? It happens on every team, every year. Contracts don't mean much in the NFL, guaranteed money does.

 

*Edit* - JOAT beat me to it.

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Here's I would have handled it. Once I knew where we were financially I go to Steve and ask him to restructure for a more cap friendly deal. Before he answers I lay out all the options A. Restructure B. Trade C. Cut/Retire

The conversation has to take place though, on the phone or, my preference, face to face. You need to be diplomatic about it to a degree, sell him on the perks of staying at a reduced rate, but if he doesn't go for it at that point at least you made your case, upfront and honest.

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Really though, this whole thing could have been done with a little more class. That's what bothers most people.

There is no way that a sutuation like this can be handled in a way that no one has their feelings hurt.

Smith was asked to take a pay cut and wouldn't do it, therefore he was cut. Make no mistake, no team will sign Smith for close to what the Panthers are paying him. Why should the Panthers overpay ... because of Smiths legacy? I'm glad the Panthers are no longer handcuffing thus team by paying for past performance.

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In the interest of level headed, intelligent football conversation I'd like to ask you a question, as I respect everyone's opinions but would like to weed out those that are being emotional from the nut jobs. This is not necessarily to you specifically Red, but to AceBoogie and anyone else here that thinks Gettleman is some sort of New York bully throwing his weight around. So here goes.

If you were Gettleman, how EXACTLY would you have handled this "situation"?

When giving your answer please give it some logical thought and take into consideration the following factors:

1. Being asked on the spot about Steve Smith's 2014 status with the team, without notice, and without having been given a chance to notify Smith.

2. Having a sit down with Steve Smith, laying out the situation at hand, and explaining to him he must take a pay cut for the team to be successful in 2014 and beyond.

3. Steve Smith refusing to take a pay cut.

4. Having Steve Smith going on the radio adding fuel to an already combustible situation.

5. Being a GM, you need to do what you feel is best for the long term success of the team.

When you reply please give thoughtful answers and explain why you approached it the way you did. Feel free to elaborate, I will not give a childish TL;DR back at you. I will have a rebuttal on if I agree with your strategy and if I don't, I'll explain why. I'll tell you in what is only my opinion, what I think would happen both with the media and fanbase based off the decisions you've made and we'll go from there in a civil debate.

Because I'd genuinely like to know how people feel that want to burn Gettleman at the stake, and why specifically they feel that way.

Let's debate.

 

I am not, and have not called for Gettleman's head. Upset a bit? Sure. Think it could have been handled better? Yes.

 

Let's please not label everyone who does not agree with every single thing that our GM does, as AceBoogie.

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The best option for this thing with Steve Smith should have been to rework his deal. From what it sounds like, we are hellbent on moving on from him no matter what. I don't think this really compares to Delhomme, Steve Smith could still be very productive, even at 35.

 

 

Define "very productive"

 

 

As Monsta pointed out Lafells "production" was better or on par with Smitty's on less targets and catches.

 

And we all know how the Huddle geniuses feel about Lafell.

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Gettleman could have offered a different response to the media. Hell he could have said no comment.

 

The worst thing that he did was say nothing after opening a can of worms.

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I'm not pissed that Steve Smith is getting cut, it's just how it all went down.  Gettleman could have just said "Steve has had a great career here in Carolina but the time has come to move on." and we would have been upset but at least he was a man and came out and said it.  Now he's just dangling him for trade bait and Steve had to hear his time in Carolina was probably up through social media.  The best player in Panthers history deserves better than that yankee garbage.

 

This.

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But isn't that the case for every player in the NFL that gets cut or released? It happens on every team, every year. Contracts don't mean much in the NFL, guaranteed money does.

 

*Edit* - JOAT beat me to it.

 

Again, this is why players holdout, because teams don't want to honor the end of the contract.

 

It's not just about the contract. I don't want to get stuck on that, it's about how this played out through the media.

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