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Things Gettleman has said in the past and what we can learn from them...

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I meant more open and honest about HOW he does things. Specific moves are another matter.

The man is adamant about not overpaying guys. So I guess we will see what kind of "Gettlemagic" he can work this year. Certainly has his work cut out for him again. There are 50 days until the draft to try to plug holes. He'll need damn near every one of them if he wants to be able to go BPA for 7 rounds in May.

It has been oddly quiet though. Hopefully he is still working on Hardy's deal and figuring out how to free up more CAP space for now and in future seasons.

hes overpaying the DE position.

franchising hardy handicapped us. the decision to tag him took away opportunity to not just improve in several areas, but fill holes with less than starter level ability. we have no money to fill holes because we tagged hardy. sure, there's a lot of time left, but what's going to be available at that point? a legit starting LT? lol

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hes overpaying the DE position.

franchising hardy handicapped us. the decision to tag him took away opportunity to not just improve in several areas, but fill holes with less than starter level ability. we have no money to fill holes because we tagged hardy. sure, there's a lot of time left, but what's going to be available at that point? a legit starting LT? lol

 

Well he didn't handle Charles Johnson's deal so he is simply trying to work around that one. Hardy was a big part of our success, he was necessary to keep. We wouldn't find an elite secondary in one offseason so the least we could do was keep our elite front 7 together for at least another year. The franchise tag simply bought more time for us to work out a deal, and hopefully it's a deal that favors both parties.

 

He's got his work cut out for him man, I admit that. He will really have to be in-tune with his free agent scouting roots this year to keep Cam upright and give him guys to throw to. He's had success before so I won't hit the panic button until after we see what is done between now and the end of the draft. Then we will have a good idea of how the roster is going to look. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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dave did a super job first year. all the cheap one year deals, wavier claims, and UDFAs. examples = ginn, king, mcnutt, white, folkets, lester, horton, mitchell, bonds, williams etc etc. 

 

 

thats why im waiting til his 90 man team is here and to see the contracts of kraken, cam, luke and in a couple star. thats how ill judge dave- drafts and signing the studs.

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Well he didn't handle Charles Johnson's deal so he is simply trying to work around that one. Hardy was a big part of our success, he was necessary to keep. We wouldn't find an elite secondary in one offseason so the least we could do was keep our elite front 7 together for at least another year. The franchise tag simply bought more time for us to work out a deal, and hopefully it's a deal that favors both parties.

He's got his work cut out for him man, I admit that. He will really have to be in-tune with his free agent scouting roots this year to keep Cam upright and give him guys to throw to. He's had success before so I won't hit the panic button until after we see what is done between now and the end of the draft. Then we will have a good idea of how the roster is going to look. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

he had success in one year of being a GM. he's got a worse situation now. more holes to fill and still cap challenged.

so far he's done nothing. i don't think keeping hardy was the best thing to do because of the effect on our cap and because of how much of the cap the position takes up....20% of the total cap and 50% of the cap on defense. that's not good, regardless of the level of talent you had to keep. and i think it flies in the face of comments he made about how sometimes you do have to let good platlyers go.

releasing smith without us having any WRs at all wasn't smart either because it leaves us in a giant hole and only gave us an extra 2mil. sure, there are long term benefits to cutting ties, but you have to play football this year and give players more than hope in the future, esp. if you want them to stay.

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he had success in one year of being a GM. he's got a worse situation now. more holes to fill and still cap challenged.

so far he's done nothing. i don't think keeping hardy was the best thing to do because of the effect on our cap and because of how much of the cap the position takes up....20% of the total cap and 50% of the cap on defense. that's not good, regardless of the level of talent you had to keep. and i think it flies in the face of comments he made about how sometimes you do have to let good platlyers go.

releasing smith without us having any WRs at all wasn't smart either because it leaves us in a giant hole and only gave us an extra 2mil. sure, there are long term benefits to cutting ties, but you have to play football this year and give players more than hope in the future, esp. if you want them to stay.

 

Well it's not like we are completely void of talent and aren't going to add more. We are just taking a different approach. If it blows up in his face, then he will have to deal with that. But if it works, he's a genius. It's wait and see at this point.

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Great post, thanks!

As much as people hate the move to tag Hardy, it's obvious Gettleman's philosophy is to have an elite pass rush first and everything else will feed off that. Hardy is the best pass rushing RE in the league and without him, we'd need to upgrade every DB position and find another RE who can stop the rush, cover and pass rush, not to mention line up at DT when called upon.

People don't understand this, the best offense is a good defense and defense wins championships. DBs are at a disadvantage to begin with as the league is geared towards the pass, so why throw money at a problem that's handicapped from the get go? You don't, you use the money where you get the most production and that is by getting to the QB.

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Uh oh. You did it now. Proudiddy is going to ban you for being intelligent and not hating "Gettledouche"

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Well it's not like we are completely void of talent and aren't going to add more. We are just taking a different approach. If it blows up in his face, then he will have to deal with that. But if it works, he's a genius. It's wait and see at this point.

 

actually, yes, we are devoid of talent at WR and LT.

same could be said for the secondary as well since the guys we had who were good enough to start are now with other teams and we've done nothing to replace them.

hurney had this huge problem in that he was overly confident and unwavering in his philosophy of building/managing a team to the detriment of the team. it appears that gettleman might be suffering from the same illness.

he has a plan, but what if things don't fall the way he thought. what is plan b? is he able willing to adjust to changing situations that impact his plan? was he counting on there being more FAs available when the market settled down? is he willing to deviate from his draft philosophy if we still have a blank slate at WR/LT/CB/S?

is he married to the idea of keeping hardy and handicapping the rest of the team just so we have a killer pass rush (even if that means we don't protect cam or decent WRs)?

his success last year doesn't give him a free pass this year. he hasn't helped build a consistent winner yet. he has one season under his belt. one winning season. is year two going to see a regression? how big of a regression?

i appreciate what he did last year, but i need more before i herald him as a magic man. i may have bought it before and i may have been on his bandwagon before the hire, but i need to some more than what we've seen this year.

and again, just because i know someone is going to say it, i am not wanting movement for movement's sake. there are good moves to be made and we need to make them.

if the cap is so bad that we can't afford to fill out a roster, then we shouldn't have tagged hardy. if we have no WRs on the team and only saved $2mil from cutting smith and still have no money to bring anyone in, then cutting smith was a mistake. if WRs are saying they'd rather not play here because of cutting smith, then cutting smith was a mistake.

did gettleman think through all possibilities before tagging hardy and cutting smith? i don't know. probably. the problem is, did he care what the possible negative impacts would be by doing those two things or was he going to do it regardless of outcome and impact?

all there are right now are questions about gettleman and very little to warrant a positive view. right now those two main movements (tagging hardy and cutting smith) have had no positive impact on the team.

 

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Great post, thanks!

As much as people hate the move to tag Hardy, it's obvious Gettleman's philosophy is to have an elite pass rush first and everything else will feed off that. Hardy is the best pass rushing RE in the league and without him, we'd need to upgrade every DB position and find another RE who can stop the rush, cover and pass rush, not to mention line up at DT when called upon.

People don't understand this, the best offense is a good defense and defense wins championships. DBs are at a disadvantage to begin with as the league is geared towards the pass, so why throw money at a problem that's handicapped from the get go? You don't, you use the money where you get the most production and that is by getting to the QB.

 

do you have to do that by crippling the team? because that's exactly what we are doing. is it so important that it has to take up 20% of your cap...and that's just two players? is it worth using 50% of your defensive cap on two players?

 

pass rush is important, but not that important.

 

i don't care how elite your pass rush is, they don't catch balls and they don't protect the QBs blind side. we can't afford to pay FAs to even fill out our depleted roster because we tagged hardy. and yes, that is gettleman's fault. he had a choice, tag hardy or fill out  the roster and he chose to be without WRs, starting DBs, and an LT all so we could have that elite pass rush. i know he'll get someone eventually to come in and there's the draft, but will he focus in on those three areas in the draft or is he stuck on getting the best player regardless of position?

 

that remains to be seen.

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