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Things Gettleman has said in the past and what we can learn from them...

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dave did a super job first year. all the cheap one year deals, wavier claims, and UDFAs. examples = ginn, king, mcnutt, white, folkets, lester, horton, mitchell, bonds, williams etc etc. 

 

 

thats why im waiting til his 90 man team is here and to see the contracts of kraken, cam, luke and in a couple star. thats how ill judge dave- drafts and signing the studs.

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Well he didn't handle Charles Johnson's deal so he is simply trying to work around that one. Hardy was a big part of our success, he was necessary to keep. We wouldn't find an elite secondary in one offseason so the least we could do was keep our elite front 7 together for at least another year. The franchise tag simply bought more time for us to work out a deal, and hopefully it's a deal that favors both parties.

He's got his work cut out for him man, I admit that. He will really have to be in-tune with his free agent scouting roots this year to keep Cam upright and give him guys to throw to. He's had success before so I won't hit the panic button until after we see what is done between now and the end of the draft. Then we will have a good idea of how the roster is going to look. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

he had success in one year of being a GM. he's got a worse situation now. more holes to fill and still cap challenged.

so far he's done nothing. i don't think keeping hardy was the best thing to do because of the effect on our cap and because of how much of the cap the position takes up....20% of the total cap and 50% of the cap on defense. that's not good, regardless of the level of talent you had to keep. and i think it flies in the face of comments he made about how sometimes you do have to let good platlyers go.

releasing smith without us having any WRs at all wasn't smart either because it leaves us in a giant hole and only gave us an extra 2mil. sure, there are long term benefits to cutting ties, but you have to play football this year and give players more than hope in the future, esp. if you want them to stay.

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he had success in one year of being a GM. he's got a worse situation now. more holes to fill and still cap challenged.

so far he's done nothing. i don't think keeping hardy was the best thing to do because of the effect on our cap and because of how much of the cap the position takes up....20% of the total cap and 50% of the cap on defense. that's not good, regardless of the level of talent you had to keep. and i think it flies in the face of comments he made about how sometimes you do have to let good platlyers go.

releasing smith without us having any WRs at all wasn't smart either because it leaves us in a giant hole and only gave us an extra 2mil. sure, there are long term benefits to cutting ties, but you have to play football this year and give players more than hope in the future, esp. if you want them to stay.

 

Well it's not like we are completely void of talent and aren't going to add more. We are just taking a different approach. If it blows up in his face, then he will have to deal with that. But if it works, he's a genius. It's wait and see at this point.

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Amazing post!

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Great post, thanks!

As much as people hate the move to tag Hardy, it's obvious Gettleman's philosophy is to have an elite pass rush first and everything else will feed off that. Hardy is the best pass rushing RE in the league and without him, we'd need to upgrade every DB position and find another RE who can stop the rush, cover and pass rush, not to mention line up at DT when called upon.

People don't understand this, the best offense is a good defense and defense wins championships. DBs are at a disadvantage to begin with as the league is geared towards the pass, so why throw money at a problem that's handicapped from the get go? You don't, you use the money where you get the most production and that is by getting to the QB.

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Uh oh. You did it now. Proudiddy is going to ban you for being intelligent and not hating "Gettledouche"

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Well it's not like we are completely void of talent and aren't going to add more. We are just taking a different approach. If it blows up in his face, then he will have to deal with that. But if it works, he's a genius. It's wait and see at this point.

 

actually, yes, we are devoid of talent at WR and LT.

same could be said for the secondary as well since the guys we had who were good enough to start are now with other teams and we've done nothing to replace them.

hurney had this huge problem in that he was overly confident and unwavering in his philosophy of building/managing a team to the detriment of the team. it appears that gettleman might be suffering from the same illness.

he has a plan, but what if things don't fall the way he thought. what is plan b? is he able willing to adjust to changing situations that impact his plan? was he counting on there being more FAs available when the market settled down? is he willing to deviate from his draft philosophy if we still have a blank slate at WR/LT/CB/S?

is he married to the idea of keeping hardy and handicapping the rest of the team just so we have a killer pass rush (even if that means we don't protect cam or decent WRs)?

his success last year doesn't give him a free pass this year. he hasn't helped build a consistent winner yet. he has one season under his belt. one winning season. is year two going to see a regression? how big of a regression?

i appreciate what he did last year, but i need more before i herald him as a magic man. i may have bought it before and i may have been on his bandwagon before the hire, but i need to some more than what we've seen this year.

and again, just because i know someone is going to say it, i am not wanting movement for movement's sake. there are good moves to be made and we need to make them.

if the cap is so bad that we can't afford to fill out a roster, then we shouldn't have tagged hardy. if we have no WRs on the team and only saved $2mil from cutting smith and still have no money to bring anyone in, then cutting smith was a mistake. if WRs are saying they'd rather not play here because of cutting smith, then cutting smith was a mistake.

did gettleman think through all possibilities before tagging hardy and cutting smith? i don't know. probably. the problem is, did he care what the possible negative impacts would be by doing those two things or was he going to do it regardless of outcome and impact?

all there are right now are questions about gettleman and very little to warrant a positive view. right now those two main movements (tagging hardy and cutting smith) have had no positive impact on the team.

 

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Great post, thanks!

As much as people hate the move to tag Hardy, it's obvious Gettleman's philosophy is to have an elite pass rush first and everything else will feed off that. Hardy is the best pass rushing RE in the league and without him, we'd need to upgrade every DB position and find another RE who can stop the rush, cover and pass rush, not to mention line up at DT when called upon.

People don't understand this, the best offense is a good defense and defense wins championships. DBs are at a disadvantage to begin with as the league is geared towards the pass, so why throw money at a problem that's handicapped from the get go? You don't, you use the money where you get the most production and that is by getting to the QB.

 

do you have to do that by crippling the team? because that's exactly what we are doing. is it so important that it has to take up 20% of your cap...and that's just two players? is it worth using 50% of your defensive cap on two players?

 

pass rush is important, but not that important.

 

i don't care how elite your pass rush is, they don't catch balls and they don't protect the QBs blind side. we can't afford to pay FAs to even fill out our depleted roster because we tagged hardy. and yes, that is gettleman's fault. he had a choice, tag hardy or fill out  the roster and he chose to be without WRs, starting DBs, and an LT all so we could have that elite pass rush. i know he'll get someone eventually to come in and there's the draft, but will he focus in on those three areas in the draft or is he stuck on getting the best player regardless of position?

 

that remains to be seen.

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You simply can't let Hardy walk for nothing. We can't know what happened up to the tag being applied, so in the end you are left with two immediate options. Gettleman took the only one that made sense pretty draft. He can't be faulted for that. What is next for Hardy? Not sure, but I sure can't fault Gettleman for protecting our interest in him regardless of the perceived damage it does to our apparent cap right now. Without a final draft class in our stable, how the hell can you possibly freak out about holes perceived right now? It's an exercise in hand wringing not worth my time, but as we have seen before, some folks want every opportunity to jump off the cliff. Knock yourselves out.

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You simply can't let Hardy walk for nothing. We can't know what happened up to the tag being applied, so in the end you are left with two immediate options. Gettleman took the only one that made sense pretty draft. He can't be faulted for that. What is next for Hardy? Not sure, but I sure can't fault Gettleman for protecting our interest in him regardless of the perceived damage it does to our apparent cap right now. Without a final draft class in our stable, how the hell can you possibly freak out about holes perceived right now? It's an exercise in hand wringing not worth my time, but as we have seen before, some folks want every opportunity to jump off the cliff. Knock yourselves out.

 

it wouldn't be for nothing.

 

it would be for cap space, which we don't have but could have used for WRs and an LT and maybe a DB or two.

 

we had a choice between hardy or multiple starters. we chose to keep hardy and beg for scrap WRs, DBs, and OTs.

 

our pass rush and front seven would still have been dominant without hardy. it wouldn't have crippled us the way tagging him has.

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So this turned into a rayzor worry thread? Nice to have you back.

2 weeks into FA and we are doomed? 4/5 of our season starting O-line is back. Our Defense should be just as good, if not better because of more experience. Just because we have no WR the sky is falling? Not buying, sorry. WR was a weakness last year. We could field 3 Huddlers and not be much worse than last year.

But hellz. Let's worry.

Sure we could use a #1WR. We have needed one for years. But we won 12 games without one. I see no reason to think we will fall off the map if we go into the season without one this year. But then again, I ain't the worry wart some folks are.

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So this turned into a rayzor worry thread? Nice to have you back.

2 weeks into FA and we are doomed? 4/5 of our season starting O-line is back. Our Defense should be just as good, if not better because of more experience. Just because we have no WR the sky is falling? Not buying, sorry. WR was a weakness last year. We could field 3 Huddlers and not be much worse than last year.

But hellz. Let's worry.

Sure we could use a #1WR. We have needed one for years. But we won 12 games without one. I see no reason to think we will fall off the map if we go into the season without one this year. But then again, I ain't the worry wart some folks are.

 

i need to see results. that's the way it's always been.

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