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This time Rivera talking generally on PFT. Reading the tea leaves: Don't look for much change offensively.


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#31 cbully

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:11 PM

the bottom line is they want results from that backfield investment... 



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:15 PM

Some of you are forgetting designed run plays for Cam, not just busted plays.

I do think teeray's main point about looking at efficiency as the best metric to gauge an offense is correct

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:37 PM

Regarding the rushing totals.

For a comparison, Russell Wilson had 539 yards rushing last season, Cam Newton had 585.

Though the offenses are similar in some ways, Wilson lead his team in rushing for only one game, and he actually ended up splitting that lead with Marshawn Lynch, as both rushed for 102 yards. Wilson also only accounted for 1 rushing touchdown all season. Compare that with Cam Newton who lead his team in rushing a total of 6 games, and accounted for 6 touchdowns on the ground for the season.

We've got to get our quarterback some help. Cam is a beast, but he can't keep putting the entire offense on his back, nor should he have to. Enough is enough.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:44 PM

I hate when it is referenced we rushes for 100+ yards in 15 games.

That makes it sound like we rush the ball well. It was just Cam largely making something weak look good on a stat sheet


*sighs reluctantly*

I agree with CRA.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 08:57 PM

A run heavy offense compliments our dominant defense. A pass happy offense will wear them out, whether it's because we're scoring quickly or having a bad day.

Seattle's offense was just as conservative, if not more, than ours. They played the most prolific offense & QB in NFL history in the Super Bowl. And they beat the ever living dog poo out of them.

Leave the pass happy poo for fantasy football. Beef up that o-line & watch D-Will, Stewart, Tolbert, & Newton run a train thru everybody.

 

I don't understand this kind of thinking at all. We are trying to improve all aspects of our team. You don't think Seattle is trying to improve too? They traded for Harvin last year. Having a better offense with better WRs is not something we should be shying away from. Having better production from the WRs does not mean it will limit our defense.

 

I know this is not college but FSU and Alabama won National Championships by building the best possible teams. period. They tried not to have a weakness anywhere on the field. This is the best way to build a team.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:12 PM

I hope we don't end up losing Cam by trying to force a Ferrari to play the role of the family station wagon. I know his deal isn't up and that we can franchise him, but ultimately I don't think you keep a QB as talented as him happy in a conservative ball control offense.


Exactly. I have no problem with us being a run first team, but when we do pass...it shouldn't be dink and dunk and heavy use of screens etc (not that screens don't have their place). Get Alex Smith to do that. We have the most physically gifted QB in the NFL...we should take advantage of it.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:13 PM

In all honesty, I hope we never become a team that has to throw 30-50 times on a regular basis.

If you're throwing that much to win games, that means you're having to over come weaknesses from other units of the team.

I underr wanting and needing to throw when ya have to, but why throw all the time when ya don't have to.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:15 PM

We had 2026 rushing yards this season.  We had essentially four players sharing the load if you include Cam Newton.  Cam had 585 of them.  That means the rest of the team had more than twice the number of running yardage as our QB.  That falls pretty far short of our QB doing all the running

 

If you have four players sharing the load and only one of those players is on the field for every snap, that one guy will likely have a large amount of that total yardage.  If you try to subtract the one guy who is a part of the running game and was very productive, of course suddenly your team will rank near the bottom.

 

The only way to have that not happen is to either completely eliminate Cam from running the ball, or run the ball 40-50 times a game so all 4 players gets 10+ carries a game.

 

First downs and TDs all count the same no matter how you got there.  And when you look at our offensive efficiency we had a pretty damn good year.  Still room to improve, but if you score on a high % of your possessions and don't turn the ball over very often like we did, you defense benefits and you will usually have a pretty good W/L record.



#39 MadHatter

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:17 PM

6-10


12-4.....that is what that offense gave us.

And the defense will be better

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:19 PM

I hate when it is referenced we rushes for 100+ yards in 15 games.

That makes it sound like we rush the ball well. It was just Cam largely making something weak look good on a stat sheet


Yards are yards ...it does not matter if the RB it the QB got them. They all count the same.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:19 PM

BTW, if you take away Cam's rushing yardage for our team, we still would have had more rushing yardage than our opponent's did against us.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:30 PM

Seattle still had an effective and decent passing offense though... I thought it was clear that Foxball was archaic in today's NFL.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:33 PM

Yep and most of Cam's scrambles come once the play is broken down and he makes something happen.

If you minus Cam's rushing yards, Carolina's running backs combined to rush for over 100 yards just 4 times (including playoff game).

Lafell brought the total to over 100 in the Minnesota game so I didn't count it because I only included the running backs.

with a.mobile QB, why would you exclude his production?

To devalue the rb position?

Everybody wants our running backs to each have 100 + yards.

It won't happen unless our running game is absolutely dominating the whole game long, and the opposing defense is no good.

Cam's rushinh is apart of our offense, and always will be until he can't run anymore.

If the team rushes 30 plus times, and the defense performs, than we win more often than not.
Gotta love that.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:43 PM

with a.mobile QB, why would you exclude his production?

To devalue the rb position?

Everybody wants our running backs to each have 100 + yards.

It won't happen unless our running game is absolutely dominating the whole game long, and the opposing defense is no good.

Cam's rushinh is apart of our offense, and always will be until he can't run anymore.

If the team rushes 30 plus times, and the defense performs, than we win more often than not.
Gotta love that.


I'd have to re watch every game to find out with runs were designed and which were Cam being Cam. There's a difference between the two, the ones designed I agree should be included. But you can't rely on the ones Cam pulls out of his ass a few times every game.

That's why I keep stressing the importance of finding a number 1 WR. Too many times Cam is forced to make something happen because no one can get open.

And I was responding to Rivera's comments. It's fine to say they rushed over 100 yards in however many games if they were all designed runs. But when alot of these yards are coming from broken plays I don't think that's the same. For example the New England game comes to mind with alot of runs coming from broken plays.

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 09:47 PM

When Seattle's run game got stopped, they was able to throw the ball effectively. There WR would make huge plays on passing downs, so at the end of the day you have to have a balance attack.


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