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#31 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:43 AM

The offensive line does not allow receivers to get open, that's a myth at best. I played receiver from grade school to high school, and me getting open had nothing to do with what the offensive lineman on my team were doing. You can't get handled off the line, then be blanketed, then deal with over the top help and somehow run through your route and scramble open. It doesn't happen. Sometimes you can find a hole, but that's happening on a consistent basis. You have to beat your man, simple and plain.


It's part of the equation, I didn't say it was the entire reason. Give a QB 5-7 seconds to throw and I guarantee you'll see more open receivers and completed passes than throw aways and coverage sacks.

Fwiw, I'm not discounting the need for skill players, simply saying you must have a proper foundation to get the most out of them. The OL is the foundation of the offense and DG agrees.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:53 AM

It's part of the equation, I didn't say it was the entire reason. Give a QB 5-7 seconds to throw and I guarantee you'll see more open receivers and completed passes than throw aways and coverage sacks.

Fwiw, I'm not discounting the need for skill players, simply saying you must have a proper foundation to get the most out of them. The OL is the foundation of the offense and DG agrees.

 

Well we seen that last year didn't we? Am I crazy to think that Cam spent a lot of time last year scrambling for what amounts to a hell of a lot of time for a quarterback to find a open man, and yet we didn't have the production that you would expect. Now if we had better receivers we would have seen more Russell Wilson type plays from Newton where maybe someone can find a whole or break open, but that's still a difficult task.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:55 AM

The offensive line does not allow receivers to get open, that's a myth at best. I played receiver from grade school to high school, and me getting open had nothing to do with what the offensive lineman on my team were doing. You can't get handled off the line, then be blanketed, then deal with over the top help and somehow run through your route and scramble open. It doesn't happen. Sometimes you can find a hole, but that's happening on a consistent basis. You have to beat your man, simple and plain.

 

This is funny.

 

OL most certainly allows WR's to get open. 

 

Notice that doesn't mean every time or scenario. 

 

Yes you still have to beat your man, but beating your man is much easier when you have 6+ seconds compared to 3. 



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:00 AM

Cam and Wilson's number were very similar.

Again, I'm not saying we don't need a serious infusion of receiver talent, my point is that you must have time to throw to them. In my dream world we walk away from the draft with 2 OL and 3-4 targets for Cam, but it's highly unlikely it'll work out that way.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:04 AM

This is funny.

 

OL most certainly allows WR's to get open. 

 

Notice that doesn't mean every time or scenario. 

 

Yes you still have to beat your man, but beating your man is much easier when you have 6+ seconds compared to 3. 

 

Have you played football, honest question? If so you haven't played receiver.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:09 AM

Seattle's O line was not that good either, it was basically Wilson scrambling around buying time and WR making plays.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:11 AM

Seattle's O line was not that good either, it was basically Wilson scrambling around buying time and WR making plays.

 

That's actually somewhat correct. They were definitely good run blockers, but there pass protection left Wilson running a lot.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:12 AM

When teams wanted to take lynch out the game they did it came down to rw3 and the receivers to win a lot of those games. I watched enough to know.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 09:11 AM

Have you played football, honest question? If so you haven't played receiver.

 

So you are trying to say its not easier to get open in 6+ seconds as compared to 3 seconds?

 

Strong logic 



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 10:17 AM

You're about 5 years late on that observation, but welcome to the party. But about that; the league is a passing oriented league, but we are going back to a ball control offense that relies on the ground game.

OL is what makes a rushing attack. OL is what allows your receivers to get open, OL is what keeps people away from Cam's surgically repaired ankle.

Seattle and Atlanta are two good example. Seattle had pedestrian receivers, but because Russell has one of the best OL's in the NFL he could wait for the routes to develop and allow the receivers to come open.

Atlanta has as much talent at the skill positions as anyone, but their neglect of the OL saw their O come to a screeching halt. Jackson couldn't run and Ryan didn't have the time in the pocket to throw the ball, even on shorter routes.


Since when are harvin sidney rice golden tate and doug baldwin pedestrian? Julio rody whiye and tony g were pedestrian? Why to key on the least important part of my argument.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 10:49 AM

All depends on who is available.  DT just happened to be BPA in last years draft for the Panthers.  If it's OL this year, I'd be ecstatic.  I'm nervous as hell every time Cam does one of his Hoodini scrambles, even more so now with his ankle surgery.  Panthers need to get big and bad on the OL to match up with the big dogs in the NFC.  Practicing against their own ferocious pass rush should help.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:00 PM

All depends on who is available.  DT just happened to be BPA in last years draft for the Panthers.  If it's OL this year, I'd be ecstatic.  I'm nervous as hell every time Cam does one of his Hoodini scrambles, even more so now with his ankle surgery.  Panthers need to get big and bad on the OL to match up with the big dogs in the NFC.  Practicing against their own ferocious pass rush should help.

 

BPA is beyond subjective. If you want to get technical DE (Richardson) would have been BPA in the first and I am sure another player had a better year than Short drafted after. 

 

The important thing to take away is Star and Richardson where grouped in that same top tier. DT was a bigger need hence why we drafted him. 

 

It all comes down to tiers and needs within those tiers. 



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:51 PM

Cyrus is not a top 15 pick. Those combine number were below average at best. I think he was out of shape because he was resting his knee. If that isn't the case then my opinion sours on him even more because he isn't serious about getting himself in tip top shape for the draft.

how did he play against top competition? That would be a sign more than combine numbers. Is he a product og the system and overwhelming superiority of the team he was on or was he a reason they were superior?



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 02:00 PM

If Cyrus kills it at his pro day in April will people stop citing the combine as a reason to not draft him?

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 11:38 PM

From what I have read the knee problem not the issue with him. He showed up at the combine out of shape is why he is being dinged now. I am sure the team would will check that out though. I read where he was taken off several teams draft board. My feeling we willt take an OT and WR with our 1st an 2nd.

 

This is my concern too.  He wasn't bad he was terrible at the combine.  If the knee was bad then maybe that explains why he was so bad but another reason why we shouldn't take him.   If his knee was good than we don't need a LT that is going to have weight issues every time there is a break.

 

I am against taking him and whoever does will IMO have a 1st round bust.




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