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Zack Martin a Panther if he follows Moses (in draft) to Promise Land?


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#1 MHS831

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:41 PM

While most draftniks expect Zack Martin to be gone by the 20th pick of the first round or so, his "tweener" status (G/T) could cause him to drop.  Players that drop tend to have a characteristic or two that scares teams--Star's heart issue, for example. If Morgan Moses continues to climb boards (some were worried about him not being there at #28 and even mentioned trading up for him), it could push Martin down.  Throw in the fact that he has shortish arms, and it is possible he becomes the fifth tackle taken.  5 players at any position in round 1 is a stretch, so there is a strong chance that the 5th tackle in the draft is there at #28.

 

This is an article from the Observer a few months ago.  Take a look at the video.  Stranger things have happened.  This was covered to some degree in February, but perhaps it needs to be revisited in light of developments (Cyrus, Tiny, Moses, etc) at T.

 

http://blogs.charlot...rs-combine.html



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:48 PM

I don't think we'd take him even if he were there.



#3 MHS831

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:55 PM

I don't think we'd take him even if he were there.

Reasons? 



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:59 PM

Reasons? 

 

See original post on why he might drop.

 

Still could be a good prospect though.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:48 PM

The funny thing is that he is almost the exact same size as Gross, and has gotten high praise for his play.  So the only real problem is his arm length.  But is it a problem?  Like I said, he is about the same size as Gross, but he only has 32 7/8 inch arms.  However, Gross only has 33 1/4 inch arms...that's just over a quarter of an inch.  A negligible difference.

 

Jason Peters, who nobody has problems with his ability to play LT only has 33 1/8 inch arms.  And Joe Thomas, whom pretty much everyone here would kill for, has arms only 32 1/2 inches long...shorter than Martin's.

 

The point is that while ideally you would like to have a LT with longer arms, it's not a deal breaker.  It's more about technique and ability, which Martin has in spades.  So if he somehow fell to us, I think we would be making a Star-like sprint to the podium when it's our turn to pick.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:51 PM

I didn't watch enough ND football to form an opinion, but if he's a legit NFL LT prospect I have no problem with it. Everyone gets a little (okay, A LOT) obsessed with measurements this time of year, myself included.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:01 AM

I think he would be a legit threat to start at either tackle position. Did not keep up with the senior bowl but it seems like they kicked him inside to guard for a few reps.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:42 AM

Reasons?


He'd be better at guard and I just think there'll be better value at that pick. I'd take any of the top 6 WRs, top 3 CBs or top 2 TEs over him. And if Ealy's there I'd take him over Martin for the value. Would like for Lewan to fall.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:49 AM

I'd take either of them at 28.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:27 AM

I'd take either of them at 28.

 

Exactly...

 

Arm length this and bs that...if you can block you can block...if you can play football you can play football.

 

If anything the "new" NFL should be showing people that measurables are merely a starting point or a sort of base line to start judging from.

 

Trust me if you can play they'll pick you up and arms 2 inches longer than the next man isn't the difference between a starter and a backup.(or a HoF from a nobody)(GOATran a 4.7 or some poo?)



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 04:06 AM

The fact I've heard so many experts say Martin would be likely a guard in the nfl puts me off, whilst we all watch college football and think we know our stuff, these guys do know what there talking about as most played the game, but saying that any guy we draft will have fors and againsts, nobody's perfect but id rather just draft the best fit for us, I prefer Moses over him personally.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:46 AM

do not want due to the tweener comments, size, and arm length. 

 

not saying he cant be good, he just isnt ideal...



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:18 AM

See original post on why he might drop.

 

Still could be a good prospect though.

 

He has great technique and feet---but yeah, I see him dropping to us and possibly by us.  The fact that he is not raw and reminds one of Gross could be enough though.
 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:20 AM

I didn't watch enough ND football to form an opinion, but if he's a legit NFL LT prospect I have no problem with it. Everyone gets a little (okay, A LOT) obsessed with measurements this time of year, myself included.

 

So do I. 33" arms is not that short, but his feet are so quick, he seems to make up for it.  I watched the Stanford and the Bama games and I never saw him off balance or bending.  He is a clinic on how to play the position.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:24 AM

I'd take either of them at 28.

 

And THIS is why I think it is likely that we go T in the first round---I see the fifth T in the draft being there for us at 28, going by past drafts. 

 

I have not seen a mock where 5 OTs go before us. 

 

I would say the odds are about 75% that there is a top 5 T on the board when we pick.

 

Hoping this makes the point:  I bet we are taking a T in the first round, and I bet the T is Moses or Martin.




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