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gettlemanjack    2,319

another writer:

Moncrief "he doesn’t make routine catches he usually should. Moncrief had a concerning amount of drops on passes which NFL receivers normally corral."

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B.BERSIN    1,208

49ers blogger:

"I've seen nine games, a few times each, and while I admit that Moncrief is an athletic guy, I am not sure I'm as high on him as others. He really has a lot to work on...I'm just gonna come right out and say it...Moncrief does not have good hands. Some will argue and give a myriad of excuses as to why he drops passes, but there are plenty of well-placed footballs that he simply drops of his own volition. He loves to cradle the ball into his gut, often leaving his feet for passes unnecessarily. If he has to go up and get it with his hands, there's a decent chance it's going to hit the ground.

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All-in-all I wouldn't be in favor of investing a first or even second round pick on Moncrief. The big plays are few and far between and it seems he has a long way to go - and who knows if he even can improve upon his hands"

If his hands are not that great, that's a huge concern for me, it reminds me of Donald.

Get Matthews.

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micnificent28    583

Huge: 6'2  221lbs

 

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If you catch only with your chest then whats the point of being huge? He is minimizing his catch radius and making it hard for the qb to throw him open. 

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gettlemanjack    2,319

Moncrief's body-catching and catching radius are the biggest and perhaps the only flaws in his game. I'm not worried about his route-running since that can be worked on. His hands are far from fantastic (which is why he body catches) but once he has the ball in his hands he can virtually burn 90% of DBs. Donte is the type of WR that takes the top off a defense and fights for extra yardage with his big frame.

I don't see Moncrief as a good Slot Receiver since he'll be asked to make tough catches (a problem that could intensify with us since Cam throws lasers) but he could make a very, very good third option upon entering the league. Down the road, who knows? Donte could prove to be a solid number two.

I saw that someone compared him to former Saints WR Devery Henderson (a 2nd R pick), who struggled with drops throughout his career but had outstanding straight-line speed and made the big play occasionally.

regarding Moncrief's ability to burn NFL DBs after the catch, at least 5 of the scouting reports i read think he isn't very good at that when it comes to his elusiveness:

-"Moncrief doesn’t do much after the catch. His straight-line speed is phenomenal, but the former Rebel struggles with lateral quickness and agility"

-"While his forty- yard dash puts him among the top with straight-line speed , his hips are a tad stiff as shown in his 3 Cone ."

-"Not the most fluid athlete; stiff hipped... struggles to create seperation downfield"

-"Tried to play like a pure speed receiver in college but he doesn't have the elite separation ability to play that same role in the NFL and will need to develop his ability to win with his size.... Athletic enough to make one move after the catch but lacks the agility to put together multiple moves to weave his way through traffic.... At Ole Miss, Moncrief attempted to play the role of a speed receiver, but he simply lacks the speed or agility to play with that style in the NFL. To excel at the next level, Moncrief needs to embrace his size and focus on developing the fundamentals of running routes as a possession receiver and putting himself in position to make contested catches."

-"Not a catch-and-run receiver, doesn't display the ability to make DBs miss... Moncrief doesn't excel in short catch-and-run situations. He has great speed out in space, but doesn't have the wiggle to get himself free after the catch."

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DaCityKats    1,262

I'm sorry I do not agree with some of those things those guys are saying. Il do a write up tomorrow about some things that are not true.

He does body catch a lot, but so did Cordarrelle Patterson. He does not have the wiggle that CP has, but he is just as explosive and a threat with his Yac ability.

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Gin and Juice    716

I don't get how you get that, out of that statement. All that statement means I think he's really talented, there'a a chance someone believe so as much as I do. I hope they dont and he falls to us

I have read that "statement" about damn near every WR discussed, to the point I'm almost convinced most of you think Rd 1 and 2 will be nothing but WR and OTs drafted. What's really gonna be messed up is when Lewan and Cooks is still on the board at 28 and we select a DE or LB or S

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Snake    4,262

Greg Cosell isn't just a guy though.

Cosell prides himself at being a tape guy and breaking down players and admits his mocks and round grades are just speculation.

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C47    1,395

Cosell prides himself at being a tape guy and breaking down players and admits his mocks and round grades are just speculation.

 

I agree, but his evaluations are pretty accurate a lot of times. If he thinks Moncrief is a quality player there's probably several teams that do as well. If I had to bet right now Moncrief isn't on the board when we pick at 60.

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Snake    4,262

I agree, but his evaluations are pretty accurate a lot of times. If he thinks Moncrief is a quality player there's probably several teams that do as well. If I had to bet right now Moncrief isn't on the board when we pick at 60.

 

Just depends on how there boards work. You really cant predict the draft I mean who would have ever thought Star would drop to us but he did. Also no one saw us taking Luke the year before that and we did so really we as fans have no idea how it works. For example I remeber watching this show with a former scout and him telling how AZ idea was to draft someone with STAR impact alone and talent didnt matter that much. I know that's a extreme case but it does happen.

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I'm sorry I do not agree with some of those things those guys are saying. Il do a write up tomorrow about some things that are not true.

He does body catch a lot, but so did Cordarrelle Patterson. He does not have the wiggle that CP has, but he is just as explosive and a threat with his Yac ability.

 

Moncrief is nowhere close to Patterson.  

 

Patterson catches with his hands and bodies the ball at appropriate times.  He does not lack confidence in his hands.  He's also a completely different class of ball-carrier.  CP is one of the best, if not the best, open field runners in the game.

 

Here's my go-to site on both Cordarrelle Patterson (last year) and Donte Moncrief (this year.)

 

He had Patterson as his top WR last year and it appears that he has Moncrief as a high-upside 3rd rounder in 2014.

 

Don't me wrong.  I think Moncrief is a very nice talent, but in this draft class, he is not a first rounder.  Not in my opinion anyway.  We'll see where he goes in a few weeks.

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DaCityKats    1,262

Moncrief is nowhere close to Patterson.  

 

Patterson catches with his hands and bodies the ball at appropriate times.  He does not lack confidence in his hands.  He's also a completely different class of ball-carrier.  CP is one of the best, if not the best, open field runners in the game.

 

Here's my go-to site on both Cordarrelle Patterson (last year) and Donte Moncrief (this year.)

 

He had Patterson as his top WR last year and it appears that he has Moncrief as a high-upside 3rd rounder in 2014.

 

Don't me wrong.  I think Moncrief is a very nice talent, but in this draft class, he is not a first rounder.  Not in my opinion anyway.  We'll see where he goes in a few weeks.

 

Patterson was just an example of how somebody with speed, size, and production gets drafted before some think. Patterson had the ability to catch his hands, but he would catch with his body a lot as well. Moncrief does body catch a lot, but mostly because of the contact he is anticipating. a lot of his routes where inside breaking routes with bodies around him. Moncrief is a legit 2nd round guy in my eyes and many others. again, even Greg Consell thinks he has potential to be a 1st rounder. cbssports.com has him as a 1st-2nd round guy as well, and so does Nolan Naworki (sp).

 

here are some picks of him making plays away from his body that the NFL teams love.

 

 

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