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#31 C47

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:43 PM

For every one of those guys, you can find someone saying 3rd-4th. The fact of the matter is only 59 players can go before 60. Everyone saying "we gotta get him before someone else does!" Doesn't realize that there are other positions than wr that will go in the draft.

 

Greg Cosell isn't just a guy though.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:44 PM

Greg Cosell isn't just a guy though.


I agree. But his word isn't gospel.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:45 PM

49ers blogger:

"I've seen nine games, a few times each, and while I admit that Moncrief is an athletic guy, I am not sure I'm as high on him as others. He really has a lot to work on...I'm just gonna come right out and say it...Moncrief does not have good hands. Some will argue and give a myriad of excuses as to why he drops passes, but there are plenty of well-placed footballs that he simply drops of his own volition. He loves to cradle the ball into his gut, often leaving his feet for passes unnecessarily. If he has to go up and get it with his hands, there's a decent chance it's going to hit the ground.
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All-in-all I wouldn't be in favor of investing a first or even second round pick on Moncrief. The big plays are few and far between and it seems he has a long way to go - and who knows if he even can improve upon his hands"

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:47 PM

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:50 PM

I really think, with the seemingly thorough research we've done for this draft at WR, that when our pick comes in the first, it will come down to overall grades put on by Gettleman.

I've liked Moncrief for a while. Kid is good. If we do go OT in the first, then him in the 2nd would make me happy.


If we DO double up on WRs in the first two rounds, expect that Gettleman told our distinguished OC that we're going to run more spread and he's going to like it or be fired. Only explanation.

 

I don't think adding talent at the wide-out position means we need to change our offensive scheme.  There is nothing wrong with playing a clock-controlling offense, especially when you consider how valuable keeping our front 7 fresh is.

 

We can see a vast improvement in the offense even with our scheme.  NOT dropping passes will be the first improvement.  Beating DBs at the line will be the second - allows Cam a quick dump-off when defenses send the house.  Overall playmaking ability will be third - our wideouts were pretty awful after the catch last year, having a guy or two who can turn a 5 yard catch into 15, 30 yards or even a TD will be plenty welcome.

 

Overall I don't see us switching to "air it out" offense even if we hit gold on receivers in the draft.  We'll continue to take what the defenses give us and most likely go deep when we force the safeties to creep up a bit too far.  Honestly I'd rather see us build upon what was successful last season than reinvent the wheel.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:56 PM

NFP:

"Limited route tree, often body catches, doesn’t have a big receiving radius. ... Ole Miss plays from a spread offense and they don’t have Moncrief run a very sophisticated route tree. His main route is the bubble screen, but he will run some hitches and comebacks as well as some go routes. You don’t see a lot of slants and crossing routes. ... he will body catch some and doesn’t have a really big receiving radius. His ability to adjust to the ball is good but not great. He will have some concentration drops. ... Moncrief is still raw...He is not ready to step in and be more than a rotational contributor at this time. He is going to need to learn how to read coverages to make sight adjustments and will also need to develop his overall route running skills. ... I think he is a solid third round pick but his natural physical traits (4.40 forty / 39.5" vertical / etc) may get him drafted higher."

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:59 PM

49ers blogger:

"I've seen nine games, a few times each, and while I admit that Moncrief is an athletic guy, I am not sure I'm as high on him as others. He really has a lot to work on...I'm just gonna come right out and say it...Moncrief does not have good hands. Some will argue and give a myriad of excuses as to why he drops passes, but there are plenty of well-placed footballs that he simply drops of his own volition. He loves to cradle the ball into his gut, often leaving his feet for passes unnecessarily. If he has to go up and get it with his hands, there's a decent chance it's going to hit the ground.
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All-in-all I wouldn't be in favor of investing a first or even second round pick on Moncrief. The big plays are few and far between and it seems he has a long way to go - and who knows if he even can improve upon his hands"

 

Agreed.  While I like Moncrief's upside, I worry about his ability in terms of catching the ball.

 

You don't want that kind of risk in rd 2 of such a deep draft.  



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:02 PM

please god no.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:02 PM

Bo Wallace had a completion rate of almost 65% with over 3300 yards. He's not some scrub.


Surely, you're joking, right?

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:03 PM

Gonna go out on a limb here and say that if any GM screws up their draft with the depth of talent that there is to choose from, they really shouldn't be GM's.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:03 PM

Surely, you're joking, right?


about his stats?

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:04 PM

Oh wait, I forgot. You just like to argue.

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:06 PM

49ers blogger:

"I've seen nine games, a few times each, and while I admit that Moncrief is an athletic guy, I am not sure I'm as high on him as others. He really has a lot to work on...I'm just gonna come right out and say it...Moncrief does not have good hands. Some will argue and give a myriad of excuses as to why he drops passes, but there are plenty of well-placed footballs that he simply drops of his own volition. He loves to cradle the ball into his gut, often leaving his feet for passes unnecessarily. If he has to go up and get it with his hands, there's a decent chance it's going to hit the ground.
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All-in-all I wouldn't be in favor of investing a first or even second round pick on Moncrief. The big plays are few and far between and it seems he has a long way to go - and who knows if he even can improve upon his hands"

 

I dont think its that he doesn't have good hands, but his concentration needs some improving. I also noticed the most is defenders easily knocking it out of his possession after a catch



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:07 PM

Yep, if you can put up respectable numbers with Bo Wallace as your QB, you can produce anywhere!

 

I watched a lot of their games, and Bo Wallace is not bad at all.  Not sure what you are comparing him to, but you can do a lot worse at the college level.  He's not a WR-wrecker by any means.  He can throw the ball.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

about his stats?


Right, because 'stats' are everything. Go watch some clips of him you dimwit. Gee, I wonder why Bo completed 65% of his passes. It couldn't be that he threw 5-10 yard passes all season long. Naw, that can't be it. ANY crappy QB at the college level can manage throw for 3300 yards and possess an impressive completion rate.


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