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#3300722 Notes, Quotes, and Video from ECU Pro Day

Posted by top dawg on Today, 03:10 PM

The more I watch Hardy the more I believe he's a 4th or 5th round pick.

If Hardy lasts until the 5th, I will send you a ham sandwich.

#3300696 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by top dawg on Today, 02:55 PM

Cam isn't perfect, and will never be. He may not ever have the pristine footwork or consistency in mechanics, but his strength in conjunction with his athleticism is really unparalleled at the position. In my opinion, when you calculate positives and negatives he is good enough to get us where we want to go. The thing is, we will never know unless he gets a marked weapons upgrade and better than average protection on the field at the same time.

I can't genuinely proclaim Cam a bust or the GOAT until the questions surrounding him are answered to a satisfactory level, much less an expert level. Once a better situation is developed for him, then I can just focus on Cam. Until then, there is no true clarity.

#3300503 I am on Bre shad Perriman's bandwagon

Posted by top dawg on Today, 12:35 PM

There's this though...
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Perriman: 8 drops on 99 targets in 2014. No drops in final 4 games. Bowl vs NCST: 9 catches, 138 yds, 16 targets, 0 drops, 7 1st downs

Dawg, if you really like this guy, you don't want me on your bandwagon.

Over the last few years, the Panthers have spent first round picks on several guys whom I've had concerns about. So frankly, my being worried about this kid is probably a good sign for him.

Just to get the record straight, the 8 drops on 99 passes was calculated by Pro Football Focus which should make a lot of people feel better about Perriman.

I am pretty sure that the other figure came from some other hack who didn't watch every pass and came up with the number based on what he saw.

Anyway, an 8% drop rate is still a little high, but it was less than Kelvin Benjamin's in his championship season.

#3299947 Team by Team free Agent Grades

Posted by top dawg on Today, 01:56 AM

What was the guy who made the article suppose to say? that we won free agency?


He obviously doesn't read the Huddle.

#3299863 Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera thinks Stephen Hill ready to help

Posted by top dawg on Today, 12:02 AM

"With his size and speed and ability to get vertical, if he can assimilate to what we do – and I think he can, because he's a very smart young man - he might be a guy who could have an opportunity to contribute for us." 






#3299522 Uh...CJ Making an Astute Observation about the Current Trend in Voluntary Emp...

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 08:07 PM

"Cats" is so ol' school. I say it all the time. I have even more respect for the brother now.

#3299426 I am on Bre shad Perriman's bandwagon

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 07:32 PM

Wow, an article about his football pedigree. Outstanding. Let go get on the phone with Jarrett Payton and tell him that he still has a future in the NFL.

What a stupid and immature response.

#3299365 I am on Bre shad Perriman's bandwagon

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 07:06 PM

The more things change, the more they stay the same. It's akin to KB debates all over again.

#3299347 I am on Bre shad Perriman's bandwagon

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 07:02 PM

Dude, no.

How many times do we have fall for the same type of prospect? Perriman makes Patterson look like Fitzgerald.

People knocking Perriman and exclaiming we won't draft him probably said the same thing about Kelvin last year. Similar knocks on their game and rawness at the position, but Breshad is the better athlete. Improved his play every season even after losing Bortles to the draft a season prior to his final year in college. Him being a hands-catcher leads me to believe he can improve there and he is fluid in his movements. Tidy up that route running and he's got about as much upside as any guy in the draft.

And yes, he is a natural hands catcher according to reports. A CP comparison is just wrong.

#3299256 I am on Bre shad Perriman's bandwagon

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 06:18 PM

It's been discussed in multiple threads

Well, I dare say that it needs its own thread. Unless someone surprises us, he will likely be in play when we go on the clock. Moreover, his pro day may have implications for us as far as other receivers, like Jaelen Strong, being in play even if Perriman isn't.

#3299245 I am on Bre shad Perriman's bandwagon

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 06:13 PM

Surprised that no one has mentioned his pro day. He is blazing fast and squarely in first round conversation.


#3298253 Strickland gives synopsis on Gman at NFL Annual Meeting, and some of my thoughts

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 05:49 AM

I think if you are very disappointed in free agency this year it has been because your expectations have been unreasonable not that Gettleman hasnt done what he said he was going to do.  The only thing you can be upset about is that Jennings and Ball left without signing. And who is to say they wont still sign?  Free agency has really got multiple layers to it and we aren't through the first one yet. There are still multiple receivers out there like Crabtree for example who are getting little attention and are supposedly waiting for the right deal like Jennings.  Then after the draft there will be another blood letting and again during training camp.


FWIW. I dont think Jennings is worth a big contract.  At 32 he isnt a vertical threat anymore but rather another possession receiver who really isnt going to do that much for us that getting a first or second rounder in the draft wont do.  We have already shown that we can develop rookies into good performers as we did with Benjamin and to a lesser degree Brown when he is healthy.


The biggest areas of need were left tackle and returner and we covered that.  Sure there are other areas we need for depth but we dont have all the holes we had last year with the development of all our rookies during 2014.  So if you are disappointed it isn't Gettleman's fault so much as your own for expecting us to just change our philosophy from building through the draft and finding decent affordable guys in free agency.  A philosophy that we have been using even before Gettleman got here.  Dave is just better with the draft than Hurney was after the first round. 


So I guess that spending 3 million per year on Stevie Johnson for example was just an unreasonable expectation.  I suppose that signing a very fast TE with good hands like Rob Housler who will probably come cheap for example is an unreasonable expectation.  


I am not crazy in thinking that Gettleman could have wording things differently in such a way that bloggers, reporters and writers would have not been carried away with fiscally responsible possibilities, nor am I off base in thinking that we could have done these things and still stuck to the core principle of building through the draft, and filling out holes in the roster with modest free agent signings who would upgraded the roster. 

#3298240 Strickland gives synopsis on Gman at NFL Annual Meeting, and some of my thoughts

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 05:15 AM

Why do people only listen to half of what Gettleman says and then say they're disappointed that he's not doing the things HE says we can't do? 



Yes, Ginn does fill the need for speed at Wide Receiver, without spending $10 on Cobb or $9 on Smith. He fills the NEED, to have a receiver that can run fast up the field and "stretch the field" as people around here like to say. In fact Ed Dickson, Dwan and Ginn are all in my view in the second tier at their position in FA. Look at which TEs were available and tell me Dickson wasn't in the top 5, do the same with DTs and Dwan, arguably Ginn wasn't top 5 in this receiver FA class but his utility as a returner definitely had teams interested. 


People weren't even necessarily thinking that we would even keep Dickson or Dwan, so that's kind of a stretch to say that they were mid-tier signings. Most were thinking Cole or Edwards, and Dickson is hardly some huge step at TE. We arguably could have done without him as much good as he did in our offense last season. I could name some more intriguing---or at least equal---prospects out there right now, but that would really be a useless argument.  


Most people were concerned with the receivers, and most of them weren't expecting us to sign Cobb or even Smith. So why even bring them up?  Many people thought and still think that Ginn was basically a special teams signing. I guess he will give us the basics as far as a receiver goes, and, sure, I suppose that he fills that basic "need for speed".  

#3298232 Strickland gives synopsis on Gman at NFL Annual Meeting, and some of my thoughts

Posted by top dawg on Yesterday, 04:06 AM

Edit--TLDR: You better take what Gettleman says with a grain of salt, and temper your expectations even lower than what you believe that his  actual words mean, because what he means and what you think that he means in terms of free agency may not add up to even the slightest bit of satisfaction, but unnecessary frustration.



By now, I'm sure that many have heard bits and pieces of what Dave Gettleman has said during interviews here and there at the NFL meeting in Phoenix.  Well, suffice it to say to the contentment of some and perhaps chagrin of many---or perhaps those who are somewhere likely sober in between---Gettleman is who we think he is.  He is a guy that has supreme confidence in his team building philosophy, and is extremely fiscally conservative when it comes to making even what many might consider to be even the slightest bit of a splash when it comes to free agency.  What his definition of a step up in class in free agents, doesn't quite add up to what many were thinking, and like reported in the Sirius interview thread, Gettleman is nearly content with how he has used free agency to set up, or maybe I should say free up, the draft. 


"We've addressed the left tackle spot. We have addressed the speed wide receiver spot. We've got our whole front coming back with Dwan and Colin signing," Gettleman said. "I'm very pleased with what we've done. I told you guys that we would be able to step up in class (in regards to free agent spending) a little bit, and we've done that. We extended (tight end) Greg Olsen, which was very important for us. He just keeps getting better.
"I said we'd be able to move into mid-level deals, and that's what we did with (tight end) Ed Dickson, Dwan Edwards, Michael Oher and Teddy Ginn."




Now, of course I have a few thoughts about the matter which have me kind of shaking my head at ol' Dave.  He got us all hot and bothered by stepping up in class...to many guys that we are already familiar with. I know that Gettleman didn't necessarily mean to "trick" the fan base, but why do I feel like I've been played? And, no, I didn't play myself, Gettleman led us to believe that we were in for a little excitement---something new.  And I am not talking about Michael Oher (although I am hopeful especially after Gettleman said he looked at three years worth of tape)


Sure signing Greg Olsen was absolutely great, but after last season I believe that we all expected Olsen to be a long term Panther. Dear Dave, it's not like that was what we thought you meant when you said we would we would "be able to to step up in class a little bit."  We expect you to keep guys that are essential to the team and have been doing things the right way.  And as far as moving to mid-level deals, in what world is signing still relatively short and cheapish deals to Ed Dickson, Dwan Edwards, and Ted Ginn Jr. actually some marked move up? Don't get me wrong, they were smart signings, but Gman basically held serve.  Many people thought that both Dickson and Edwards wouldn't even be here, and not because they were essential to our success, but because they were arguably expendable.  And Ginn and Dickson were both Dollar Store Dave signings in the past, so don't try and pass them off as some "mid-level" or mid-tier signings now, even if they had some decidedly marginal success in our system.  Again, I think they are smart signings that add good depth, but in Ginn's case, I find it a little bit unsettling that signing Ginn adequately addresses our need for speed at the wide receiver spot, but maybe that's just me.  Perhaps i am just being overly cynical.  At least we should all know what Ginn brings to the table, and maybe Ginn with Benjamin and Cotchery or a draftee will be much improved over Ginn and Smitty and LaFell.  We will see.  


The good thing is that we are not done in free agency (though it almost sounds like it). To my disappointment, I don't see us adding any more speed (DMo) to our receiving corps the way that Gettleman has been talking, I personally would be excited to add a superb route runner like Greg Jennings in the mix. Perhaps Jennings and Ball won't ultimately feel like low-balled "gypsies" (another Gman term) with Gman's proposed contractual terms. And we always have the draft, which should again be interesting, especially considering that Gman deems the team very close to where it needs to be in order for him to select the BPA in each round.  I really look forward to seeing what he will do with nine picks, even if he trades a pick or two which he considers an option.


All in all, I think that we can feel good that Gettleman feels good about where the team is in reference to the draft.  In theory this should allow him to swing for the fences so to speak during the draft.  His signings, though arguably not appreciably moving up in class,did provide the team with safe players familiar with our system that may be able to finish out their careers as Panthers, especially given how well players seem to like the organizational culture and know how Gman operates.  As for us fans, the way that Gettleman operates will continue to be a lesson in patience if nothing else.





#3297918 Matt Miller's 7 Round Mock Draft with Comp Picks

Posted by top dawg on 24 March 2015 - 07:08 PM

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No way Dorsett is getting taken there. There are too many players period, much less receivers, who are better.

I think we would be lucky to get Dorsett in the second round. A lot of guys have him going in the first. He is the fastest wr in the draft with good ball skills. I see a lot of comparisons to bradin cooks.


I am not trying to be contrary because I am sure there are probably are some guys that have Dorsett being mocked in the first, just not the guys that I listen to.  To be sure, scouting is not an exact science, that's why some people skip through the cracks as underrated, and others turn out to be busts.  Even the best scouts sometimes whiff on players, but that's just the nature of the game. 


All that being said, I have started paying a little closer attention to what some guys say and more importantly the reasons why they say it. Although I look at probably more sources than I should, and a sense of Helter-Skelter and pulling out my hair, I have really tried to keep my sources on scouting at a minimum.  Unfortunately as fans we will never know what most scouts are saying too much because they keep things on the down low and only come to us as "anonymous".  The guys I do seriously listen to are Greg Cosell, Gil Brandt, Mike Mayock and Bucky Brooks.  I also take what a few scouting services have to say, most notably Optimum Scouting and Ourlads. But again, no one's mouth is necessarily a prayer book. 


From what I've seen of Dorsett's scouting reports, he is small, route-limited, has suspect hands, and is not a good blocker.  I just have to raise my eye at anyone who has him going in the first round.  His speed, explosion off the line and ability to play special teams may get him drafted in the second, but this kid is not Brandin Cooks.  Cooks ran (runs) more of the route tree, has better hands, and more notably can stop on a dime and change direction like a video game character as more than one scout basically put it. Dorsett just doesn't sound like a guy that Gettleman would draft in the second round, much less the first one to me, especially not when there may be other receivers like Agholor, Coates and Perriman still on the board, not to mention players at other positions.  I think that he'd wait and possibly take him later, but then there may be even a player like Ty Montgomery whom G-man may like better.