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Thorrez

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In Topic: 2012 NFL redraft: oh, RGIII didn't go #1?

17 April 2014 - 12:43 AM

Must be nice having a job where you get to tell people what they should have done 2 years ago.

Great research NFL.com. You're almost at ESPN levels of useless


Still makes more sense than the "grades" given out two days after the draft...

In Topic: We Have More Cap Space Than You Think

15 April 2014 - 01:39 AM

Hardy isn't going to get his contract frontloaded. It makes no financial sense. We'll give him guaranteed money, but with the cap rising to the projected levels, his contract will be backloaded and I'd bet on that.


Also, I'm not sure if you realized this, but giving him a frontloaded contract won't make it easier for us to dump him later on. In fact, it would penalize us more so.

By giving him his bulk salary years early, we are going to leave ourselves with little cap carryover, which will deplete our future salary in an equivalent manner to just pushing off his bulk salary until then. If we backload his contract, at least we could cut him and still save a solid bit of unguaranteed money, whereas in the case of a frontloaded contract, that unguaranteed money would already have been spent and still be counting against our cap.

Hardy sits on a $13.7M contact. In one year he will make $16.4M or be free to sign anywhere.

Why would he agree to a deal without a huge signing bonus? What make financial sense for the panthers are not his problem.

It is your proposal to get his cap figure this year to $1M that pushes money forward and creates problems. Not the fact that a contact is front or back loaded.

Plus the only way to do what you propose and have less dead money if he is cut after three years than the $8M a $20M signing bonus would be to pay him $15.5M guaranteed in year two and three. If we want no dead money after the years it is $19.5M.

We can take that $13M hit this year, so it makes no sense not to do so.

The real problem is that I am not so sure Hardy thinks even $12M per year is enough...

In Topic: We Have More Cap Space Than You Think

14 April 2014 - 02:54 AM

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Resigning Hardy long-term would likely give us ~$12.5M in 2014 Cap Space.

$12.5M in Cap Space sounds very nice right now. It would give us plenty of room to sign our rookies and begin looking forward to extending Cam.

Cheers.


No, it will not.

Let assume Hardy gets 5 years, $60M with $40M guaranteed.

1. Hardy wants his payday now, that means at least $14M signing bonus and base salary (as he is set to make that regardless). $1M base means a third of $13 counts against the 2014 cap. So lowest possible figure 2014 is $3.7M
2. This low signing bonus would have to be compensated with $10M plus guaranteed money in year two and three and almost that in year for.
3. This makes him uncutable, and we all know what it feels like to have those kinds of contacts for no longer producing or hurt players (which is always a risk)
4. I the end the total cost of $60M is the same, trying to get the first years salary down is just fooling yourself and most likely ending up with no player and a lot of dead money after 3-4 years.

In Topic: Worst draft picks since 2000 for every team

11 April 2014 - 07:07 AM

Rahsard Anderson is far and away the biggest bust since 2000. 12 games and gone.

Every team has a collection of poor picks, and when you look at the ones Hurney made you'll find that he was remarkably average at drafting after the first round. By that, I mean his picks in every round stuck around as long as the average GMs did. For every Dwayne Jarrett there was a Ryan Kalil. It was the first round where he was particularly good. I think that's as much a testament to his scouting department, which Gettleman kept, as anything.

Ever feel like most of our drafts in the late 90s were disappointing? 98 was awful, but it seemed like every year we would maybe get one good player and a bunch of JAGs. 2009 turned out to be particularly disappointing too...


Lets see hurneys 2nd round
Pro bowl: Kalil
Good: Marshall
Busts: Everyone else

So no, this is not "for every kalil there is jerrett" this is the accuracy of throwing darts at the draft board.

In Topic: With these one year deals won't we be in the same situation we were this...

11 April 2014 - 06:23 AM

I know about the Hurney saga what about moving forward? I don't like the idea of doing the 1 year contract thing every year.


We can move forward when the saga no longer have impact. It still has, and will through 2015 so deal with it.

Do you prefer a four year vet minimum contact with a bad player or a one year one with a guy with potential?

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