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#2736657 Trade Up For MIKE EVANS?

Posted by mcdougal on 11 April 2014 - 05:40 PM

So if he not a transcendent Calvin Johnson like talent.. why would we trade up for him?  A great deal of his big plays were breakdowns (Manziel doing Manziel things).   Mike Evans excelled in jump ball, block out situations.  However to say he is worth trading up from 28th to inside top 8 for ....you guys can't seriously think he is worth that?  



Put it like this..


Is Mike Evans worth


Lee, OBJ, Cooks, Benjamin (1 of those guys will be there at 28) + possibly a descent LT prospect in the second and a 1st round pick next year?


How can you guys even entertain a thought like this!!!


I am with you about trading away too much. If Evans drops to 15th I would think about it, but trying to get into the top 10 IMO isn't worth it.


If he falls to past like 18th I am definitely doing it. 

#2736653 Trade Up For MIKE EVANS?

Posted by mcdougal on 11 April 2014 - 05:36 PM

Evans benefitted from playing for A&M.



And I could argue that Watkins benefited from playing at Clemson...

#2736506 Trade Up For MIKE EVANS?

Posted by mcdougal on 11 April 2014 - 03:22 PM

I think Evans will be bust. There, I said it.


No way man. Watkins has more bust potential than Evans to me.

#2735237 Report: Colin Kaepernick investigated for alleged sexual assault

Posted by mcdougal on 10 April 2014 - 07:55 PM

No where in this report is Colin charged

The words "sexual assault" does not appear

No where in this report is Colin even accused


If TMZ and the rest of the mentally challenged on the Huddle could actually READ the report and stop JUMPING to baseless conclusions, the world would be a much better place.


It is the POLICY of hospitals in South FL, in an abundance of caution, to report ANY potential wrong doing to the cops. The young lady could not verify how she ended up at the hospital SO the hospital, per POLICY was REQUIRED to contact the police for an investigation.


This lady never accuses ANYBODY of ANYTHING. She is simply STATING the facts as she knows them to be.


Colin is not even accused of rape/sexual assault much less charged with one.


My god. Some of the pure ignorance displayed in this thread is astounding.

#2727176 McNabb weighs in on our lack of a threat at WR (via D. Newton)

Posted by mcdougal on 04 April 2014 - 02:50 PM

McNabb knows what he's talking about. It won't be until we go 6-10 next season that he fans see it as well.


I am trying to bookmark a bunch of these threads and make note of who is saying what. I wished I would have done so last year and the previous year but I will make sure to do it this year.


Much--not all--of the folks taking the approach that we don't need a no. 1 WR or that we can go into the season with rookies WRs (the best of which will be the 6-8th WR selected) or that we really don't need an offense that produces...are the SAME individuals who after VICTORIES would complain about the offense not producing points/yards. The same posters in game threads b*tching about Cam not moving the ball through the air efficiently enough for their liking were the same ones that never wanted to do anything about the lack of talent at WR in the offseason prior to the season.


I have no problem with a philosophy of "defense and running game" and those who subscribe to it. What we should all have a problem with is those that advocate for this tactic in March/April, then creating threads in October entitled: "What's wrong with our offense?" or "I am tried of Cam not being able to figure out Rob Ryan" after a 20-14 game. 


And those are the games that we win.

#2724009 D. Newton: Rivera is right. We don't need a number 1 WR. / OK, OK...

Posted by mcdougal on 01 April 2014 - 07:15 PM

Cobb and Nelson are definitely number ones


Its really hard to explain, but I have said on multiple occasions that:


The Jaguars have a number 1

Packers don't have a number 1

The Eagles (with Jackson) do not have a number 1

The Dolphins (admittedly not a great one) have a number 1 


IMO, being a number 1 is not singular about production. Welker could have more receptions and yards and TDs than Moss in NE but I would say that Moss is number 1.


Also, it doesn't mean you cannot be productive without a number 1...the Packers and Eagles had two of the better offenses...the Jaguars and Dolphins had two of the poorer offenses.


To me, being a number 1 entails body size, athletic ability, production, and speed. A person you can plug into any offense and should produce and should have some measure of success against any type of defense.

#2723990 D. Newton: Rivera is right. We don't need a number 1 WR. / OK, OK...

Posted by mcdougal on 01 April 2014 - 06:55 PM

This is moronic in every way. Anyone who would say such things about or offense while having knowledge of our current situation is just ignorant. You contradict pretty much everything with your "Within the cap a drafty restraints" line. THIS IS FIXING the offense with the restraints we currently have...wow...


We obviously need talent on offense, but all we can do is pick from the extreme bargain bin at the moment


And anyone saying Nicks/Britt would be gamechangers/ worth it....good lord, just stop.


Let me try this again: I am not addressing or passing opinion on our GM or FO. He gets paid the big bucks and it is his job that is on the line. I will await the results.


Specifically, I am addressing and passing judgment on those Panthers fans on this board who have expressed a notion that we do not need to address glaring weaknesses. That we should not even ATTEMPT/TRY to upgrade certain areas of our team because: the Seahawks had that weakness and they won the SB.


In other words, there are some who believe EVEN if we can acquire and fit a player within our limitations---cap and draft---we should not. They believe that said player would upgrade the position, nonetheless do not want to acquire said player because they believe it is okay to be mediocre at that position.


That is nonsense.

#2723719 D. Newton: Rivera is right. We don't need a number 1 WR. / OK, OK...

Posted by mcdougal on 01 April 2014 - 02:24 PM

Gettleman's first focus this season is to fix the cap situation.....why is it so damn hard for you idiots to understand this.


He is NOT going to restructurie contracts and push more cap hell into the next two years....when next year's position may actually be worse than this season.


He is going to ensure we lock up our young talent....supplement that short term with bargain players with something to prove....work to rid the team of bad contracts over the next two seasons...and set up the Panthers for long-term success.


Problem is that the avg huddle on here is a 15yo kid with zero understand of finances or budget constraints.


^^^ Exhibit "A" of the morons who in September will be screaming about our offense not scoring 30 points, or Newton failing to throw for at least 300 yards.


Hatter is the President of the "Oh, we really don't need anymore talent on offense we should strengthen our defense" in the off season, and then come September, "I hold Newton responsible for this loss because he did not score 30 points on the Seattle Defense."


And if you had a working brain or reading comprehension skills you would have noticed I stated: "This nonsense that it is okay to have a glaring, gigantic hole at WR position and its okay to not TRY to fix it as best as possible within the cap and draft restraints we have-- is all kinds of stupid."


Please go play in traffic.

#2723551 D. Newton: Rivera is right. We don't need a number 1 WR. / OK, OK...

Posted by mcdougal on 01 April 2014 - 12:11 PM

I really wish folks would stop acting as if there is only one way to win in the NFL: the Seahawks way.


The Broncos came within one game of winning it all this year and next year they will be favored to compete again. If the Broncos win the SB this year, the next off season everyone will be like:


OMG, we need to best offense to win

OMG, we need a star QB in which the offense revolves around

OMG, we need to grab the best free agents

OMG, we need an amazing WR core with a No. 1 WR

OMG, we need a NFL Head Coach not college one

OMG, we don't need an amazing defense

OMG, its okay to spend 1/3 of our cap on the QB position alone

and on and on...


Just two short seasons ago everyone was certain the only way to win a SB was to have a superstar QB in a high octane offense with talent everywhere on offense. Everyone said that college coaches couldn't win in the NFL and that you could win with a subpar defense.


Now folks act like ONLY the Seahawks way is the only way to win. Because the Seahawks had this...well we must have that...because the Seahawks didn't have that...well we don't need it either.


The Seahawks will try to cover up any weaknesses they have and get better. If Carroll sees he has a whole in the WR core, he will TRY to fill it...not because he necessarily wants his offense to turn into the Broncos but because he realizes the less weaknesses his team has the better chance for victory.


This nonsense that it is okay to have a glaring, gigantic hole at WR position and its okay to not TRY to fix it as best as possible within the cap and draft restraints we have-- is all kinds of stupid. If the Seahawks have a glaring, gigantic hole ANYWHERE on their rosters, within the cap and draft restraints, best believe they will TRY to fix it with the best personnel possible.

#2722855 Rivera says Cam wasn't consulted in WR moves

Posted by mcdougal on 31 March 2014 - 07:58 PM

Well we both agree the past and probably current WRs will not be very good. Now would you rather pay 5-8mil more for the group we had last year? Keep in mind if you pay that money 3 years down the line we may not have enough money in the bank to sign Cam Luke or Star. Or you would be in a situation where you have to gut other members of the team to pay them.


See Cowboys - Ware or New Orleans - entire vet defense/sproles. 


Personally I don't think there will be a huge difference in the offense with this New core of WRs compared to the old one. 


I don't think we should be trying to get back to where we were last year. I think we should be trying to get better. In every area of our team, we should be trying to get better...offense, defense, special teams, coaching, fans, etc. Get better.


And who said we had to keep the entire WR group in tact? IMO, you let everyone else go but keep Smith or you let Smith go and keep 2...If necessary, the following year we replace the last couple of WRs from last season...


But what I object to is the wholesale losing of our entire WR core without...what appears to be replacements that are better. There is a chance that these replacements...who as of now will be rookies (the highest of which will be probably the 6th WR taken and the 28th overall pick) and vets whose careers can be best described as journeymen, are WORSE than even what we had last year.


And again, releasing Smith was not about saving money. We didn't really save anything letting him go.


Finally, I HATE your last sentence. There NEEDS to be a HUGE difference in the offense next year. Settling for what we had last year is at best playing with fire. We should not be in rebuilding mode. We should be contention mode.

#2719897 Rivera says Cam wasn't consulted in WR moves

Posted by mcdougal on 28 March 2014 - 02:48 PM

Our WR corp was brutal last season.   Our #1 WR was a #3 WR on a lot of other teams.    Lafell , in key situations,  dropped the ball nearly every time it seemed.  Ginn was a ray of light but,  where he will be missed the most is on return duty,  not because of his skills at WR.


While no fault of his own,  SS89 led up one of the worst WR groups in the league.



Having a bunch of new cogs in the system and some unknowns, it will not be worse than we had last season.



As far as Cam..   he's a player..  for a franchise that has given him the opportunity to be one of the best in NFL history over his first three years (stat wise).   Since he is averaging over 4,400 total yards and 30 TDs a year.          Getting a new WR corp in an attempt to improve it.  Will benefit Cam.


Once again:


The worst offense in NFL history can get worse

The best offense in NFL history can get better

The best defense in NFL history can get better

The worst defense in NFL history can bet worse


Just because we had a very, very, very bad WR core last year DOESN'T mean it is prudent to let everyone go. 1/2 of the people you guys want to replace them with couldn't even beat out those very, very, very bad WRs last season in practice.

#2719810 Desean Jackson released *update* Rivera interested *UPDATE X2* Rivera interes...

Posted by mcdougal on 28 March 2014 - 01:59 PM

“You don’t want to see anybody throwing up gang signs like he did in the Redskins game last year,” Crosson said.  “Those were neighborhood Crip gang signs and he flashed them during a game.  He may not be affiliated with the gang, but they don’t [ordinarily] take kindly to those not in the gang throwing up those gang signs.”




Well if that is the case, I don't have a problem with Jackson joining the Panthers. Someone needs to tell Jackson to stop acting like an idiot and to grow up. If you're not in a gang stop flashing gang signs and acting like a jacka@@.

#2719704 Desean Jackson released *update* Rivera interested *UPDATE X2* Rivera interes...

Posted by mcdougal on 28 March 2014 - 01:24 PM

If he's not a number 1 then who is? On the field he's a beast, and he's a great punt returner too. I doubt we get him, but he's definitely a number 1.


There are many WRs I think are true No. 1...for example Justin Blackmon. 


I like Jackson. I would not mind (if he has no gang connections) on our roster. I think we can win a SB with him as our most productive WR.


But, I also think he is a one trick pony that can be easily defended. Now that one trick is an awesome trick. And he is the best at that one trick.


But I have seen too many Philly games where he disappears because of the defense being played on him, and too many times when he could not be counted on 3rd down because of his size and his speed being neutralized.

#2719669 Desean Jackson released *update* Rivera interested *UPDATE X2* Rivera interes...

Posted by mcdougal on 28 March 2014 - 01:12 PM

DJax's statement:


First I would like to thank the Eagles organization, the Eagles fans and the city of Philadelphia for my time in Philly. I would also like to thank coach Andy Reed for bringing me in. Secondly, I would like to address the misleading and unfounded reports that my release has anything to do with any affiliation that has been speculated surrounding the company I keep off of the field. I would like to make it very clear that I am not and never have been part of any gang. I am not a gang member and to speculate and assume that I am involved in such activity off the field is reckless and irresponsible. I work very hard on and off the field and I am a good person with good values. I am proud of the accomplishments that I have made both on and off the field. I have worked tirelessly to give back to my community and have a positive impact on those in need. It is unfortunate that I now have to defend myself and my intentions. These reports are irresponsible and just not true . I look forward to working hard for my new team. God Bless."


lol isn't Andy "Reid". Minor detail but still...

#2719606 Rivera says Cam wasn't consulted in WR moves

Posted by mcdougal on 28 March 2014 - 12:57 PM

Brady was surprised and disappointed that the Pats let Welker go. He then proceeded to put on his big boy pants and lead his team to the playoffs....again..just like Cam will.

I swear some of you think that an NFL franchise is more like a soap opera or sorority than a business.


1. Brady was not surprised. He was consulted before hand. He just disagreed with the decision

2. Welker was free agent. He was not cut

3. Newton is not Brady. Brady is a first ballot Hall of Famer with a decade of experience

4. I want to you remember "the NFL is a business" when players start demanding higher salaries and hold out 

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