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#2986536 Why are there so many threads on Cam and the offense when our Defense is play...

Posted by mcdougal on 28 September 2014 - 09:06 PM

I don't get it. Our defense is playing as bad as it has played in about two years for two straight games yet people can't stop talking about benching Cam. News flash but we won't be winning many games even if we could keep Cam up right if the defense keeps being teared apart like a tissue. 


I told everyone during the summer that this is EXACTLY what would happen. The Huddle day after day would try to justify GM stance as it related to our offense and the spending of resources. I said, come September when he can't score 14 points, you will be complaining about Cam and the offense forgetting that you SUPPORTED GM sinking a large portion of our salary cap into the defense, yet again using a high round pick on the DLine, and either cutting or failing to replace members of an already mediocre WR and Oline core.


I said during the draft while they cheered as the FO yet AGAIN spent a majority of our picks on defense that by the end of September the SAME people will be complaining and asking why our offense cannot put up double digits.

#2986447 Defense might be bad, but ST blew it 2 weeks in a row...

Posted by mcdougal on 28 September 2014 - 08:42 PM

For what, a season and a half (second half of 2012, and 2013)?


And even so, you gotta try to score points, and not just run the clock down for your crappy defense?


This is where GM comes in. He and the rest of the FO has decided to dump resource, after precious resource into that side of the ball. If the Defense does not carry this team he needs to be fired. It was his call. That is why he gets paid the big bucks.


I agree with you. If I were in charge, I would have opted for a more balanced approach thereby expecting much more than I do from our offense.


But given how we have operated for the better part of 4 years...we need our defense to be top 3 to have a remote chance because we have done nothing (except for KB) to upgrade any area outside our defense.

#2986379 Defense might be bad, but ST blew it 2 weeks in a row...

Posted by mcdougal on 28 September 2014 - 08:25 PM

There CANNOT be a but when it comes to our defense. Just like there cannot be a but when it comes to the offenses of the Eagles, Saints, Falcons, Broncos, Bears, or Lions. Similarly there cannot be a but when it comes to the defense of the 49ers and the Seahawks, Cardinals and Rams.


This is where nearly all of our resources are going. We are going NOWHERE if they cannot hold teams to under 17 points.


This team is not based on offense or ST. It is based (and therefore resources are being sucked) into the defense.


This defense MUST over come (and should) a bad offense and ST.

#2984312 Official Panthers - Ravens Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 28 September 2014 - 02:58 PM

Offense would be fine with a different OC (barring some healthy RB's).


It's like having a Ferrari in the garage, but you don't have a license or know how to drive it.


Sorry, but I have to disagree. This offense is devoid of talent outside of QB. I am a FSU alumni so you know I love KB, but the reality is he is a rookie. A rookie that was about the 8th pass catcher selected at the end of the 1st round. He is in an offense--because of the lack of talent--whereby he is going to put up numbers.


That is not to say that KB is not extremely talented but as a rule...the 8th selected rookie WR/TE should not automatically become your team's undisputed best offense pass catching threat (although I suppose Olsen has a great case).


Shula is horrible and we need to look about moving him back to QB coach. I have long said that I am not sure any college program in the top 30 would hire him for the same position.


But this is on a FO that for the better part of 4 years have refused to surround the QB with meaningful talent.


The OC is only a symptom of the larger offensive problem.

#2973239 I can't imagine moving forward without some type of offensive changes; wh...

Posted by mcdougal on 22 September 2014 - 02:05 PM

Let's get one thing straight here, our offense IS NOT supposed to win us games. If our d played like it normally does/was supposed to we would've won that game with 19 points. Cam and the receivers did their job. Oline sucked more then usually. Brown had one mistake, a big one, but again if our d showed up it wouldn'tve mattered. Kalil also sucked which surprised me. It was just one of those games. I hope no one thought we were gonna be undefeated this season. Cam is still playing injured too


OMG somebody gets it! We spent nearly ALL of our resources on Defense. THIS offense is NOT supposed to be winning us games. They are SUPPOSED to take care of the ball and not put the defense in bad situations.


People sit here ALL summer and look at DG dump resource after resource into the defense...gut an already mediocre offense and then come September complain about Cam not putting up 30 points and not being able to get into shoot outs with Brees.


HELLO. It is not Cam's job to score 30 points or create explosive plays.


If you wanted that you should have gotten on the Panther's FO about getting Cam weapons (other than like the 8th WR/TE taken in this past draft)

People on this board is delusional!

#2798928 Manziel Not Impressing

Posted by mcdougal on 24 May 2014 - 10:49 AM

Yeah, but what you're forgetting is, Seattle's and Francisco's offense is predicated off of their running, NOT THEIR PASSING GAMES. 


So most of the success that those guy will have, is because of the threat of their running games. 


Take Marshall Lynch and Frank Gore off those teams, then see how well those guys will throw when it's a staple of their offense?


Remember, despite what you said. Both Seattle and San Fran ran the ball much more than they threw. They're running teams, not passing ones. 


And it is/was clear, that both Kaepernick and Wilson were spoon fed along their first NFL seasons, by heavily relying on their running games, and utilizing many quick throws to offset their lack of reading defenses and responding to pass rushes. 


Not saying Wilson hasn't progressed and gotten better. He has. However, they're are many things which he doesn't have to carry the burden with in Seattle. Kaepernick's even worse. At least Wilson can scramble and buy time, then hit a receiver (albeit with a circus catch). RG3 and Kaepernick, usually bolts in that type situation. 


Yes, Luck is over rated indeed. However, it's usually the case, 'the more you throw, the worse your percentages are (especially if you're losing big)'. As I stated, it doesn't happen with Kaep and Wilson as much, cause they have cushy run games, offensive lines and defenses to rely on. And how often, were those guys ever behind big in games?


It doesn't matter what their offense are predicated off of. The fact of the matter is both Wilson and Kaepernick...when asked or required to throw the ball more--whether by game plan or in-game circumstances...generally arises to the occasion.


One could argue that their better days are days in which the running attack is LESS featured in their respective offenses.


And Minnesota's offense is predicated off of the running game. It doesn't stop their passing attack, when needed or required or desired, from being mediocre at best.


Young Brady benefited from a solid running attack...didn't stop young Brady from lighting you up when needed or required or desired.



The same argument I had on another board. Everyone predicated that if you took Mike Vick and threw him into an offense (Like Andy Reid's) that Vick would NEVER succeed. Then Vick's second year in Philly happened.


You CANNOT make predictions on what QBs will do (especially young ones) in differing offenses. The BEST we can say is that Wilson and Kaepernick are generally efficient within the confines, boundaries, and limitations of their team's offensive system.


For all we know, you put Wilson in Denver's offense and he throws up 7000 yards and 80 tds.

#2798887 Manziel Not Impressing

Posted by mcdougal on 24 May 2014 - 09:43 AM

Can someone explain to me why Bradford, Gabbert, Ponder, or Tannehill are never talked about as examples of one-read, poor pocket presence, difficulty reading NFL coverages, and other "catch phrases" that the Huddle likes to throw out? (God knows Luck can do no wrong so I won't even bring him up)


Whether you want to talk about RGIII, Kaepernick, or Newton (I guess the only reason Wilson's name doesn't get brought up more often is because he won a Superbowl) ANY ONE of their seasons as PASSERS shows they are more capable than ANY of the prior mentioned QBs.


And it's not just the Huddle it is all over the internet--if someone wants to use an example of young "QB struggling" with mental aspects of the position--95% of the time either RGIII, Kaepernick, or Newton is used--and not say Weeden or even Cousins.


And finally, none of the bias that normally sticks to "running" QBs sticks to Manizel as far as passing. Lord have mercy, look at the profile of Manizel: short, undersized, uses his legs a lot, not particular strong arm, from a completely college spread option offense...AND we had fanbases BEGGING for their team to draft Manizel. When The Golden Calf of Bristol struggled, I never heard anyone (except Stephen A. Smith) suggest that the reason could be partly mental--ie he is not smart enough to understand pro-style concepts, and that he got to the NFL only because of his physical traits. 


I wonder if Braxton Miller has a big year if he will get the Newton/Young treatment or the Manizel/The Golden Calf of Bristol treatment. 

#2781040 We didn't do Cam any favors, and if this is it we're gonna have some...

Posted by mcdougal on 11 May 2014 - 03:29 PM

I think DG is entitled to build the team he see fit. It is his job that is on the line. 


But as I said, DO NOT expect Newton or the offense to carry our team anywhere. This is a defensive team first led by our front 7. We will go as far as they carry us. So on offense, we must not turn over the ball, or otherwise put the defense in a bad spot, and generally get out of the way.


I look forward to another year where our defense ranks in the top 5, and carries us to the post-season.

#2779954 2014 Panthers vs. 2013 Panthers

Posted by mcdougal on 10 May 2014 - 10:28 PM

You would have to be a complete homer not to see the downgrades and unproven players supposedly filling holes.


If I had to bet I wouldn't take us winning more than seven games, not in our division.


I agree in part. There is certainly a lot of homerism going on here.


PEOPLE, for the love of God, we drafted the 5th WR with the 28th pick! To expect him to come in and catch 1000 yards, and 10+ TDs is BEYOND delusional! We have major holes in the OLine, and question marks at WR, and at RB...our QB is often our leading rusher...and we have an OC that most top 25 college programs would not hire in the same position.


This team is all-in on the DLine and defensive. We will make it back to the playoffs with that group having the most production.


I predict our defense will arise to the challenge and we will win more than 7 games...but it won't be because we scored 30 points on the Saints...but because we were able to hold the Saints to 10.

#2768833 General Round 1 Draft Talk

Posted by mcdougal on 08 May 2014 - 09:16 PM

onna be honest i dont want cooks. worried about hit durability and ability to play on the outside. too risky in the 1st


I really want Benjamin. I just don't believe in small WRs especially for Newton.

#2768670 General Round 1 Draft Talk

Posted by mcdougal on 08 May 2014 - 08:56 PM

I really just want someone to take Manziel so they will stop talking about him like he's The Golden Calf of Bristol


That won't stop them from talking about him.

#2763777 Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

Posted by mcdougal on 06 May 2014 - 04:01 PM

We all should be willing to give DMan the benefit of the doubt. It's his expertise. But tell you one thing...I will be bumping threads like these should we go defense, and then can not score 10 points a game.


Because you know the exact same people talking about how this would be a great pick, will be the first to complain when we fail to throw for 300 yards and put up 30 points.

#2760984 Kelvin Benjamin

Posted by mcdougal on 04 May 2014 - 10:07 AM

I'm curious specifically what these motivational and work ethic issues are.  Are they the same ones that Cam supposedly had?  Are Benjamin's coaches confirming he's regularly tardy and doesn't properly keep up with the playbook and tape study?



As I read yesterday, most draft experts talk themselves into a dizzy, and then everything becomes an echo chamber, and everyone tries to over think the other expert because they want to be the one that called it!


When all this talk about Bridgewater being the No. 1 pick, and how he would have to really bomb during the college season in order to fall out of the top QB spot, I said last year that the media will find a way to bury him even if he had a great season. Well, he had a great season, nothing to indicate their opinion should change yet as of yesterday, Bridgewater's ceiling was as a backup QB, according to some reports. LOL! These are the same experts that claimed that his last game (where I think he put up 400+ yards on UM) proved that he should be the No. 1. No further games have been played-yet now we get a 180 and he is a 4th round prospect.


If we wait long enough, we will hear how Aaron Murray/Zach Mettenberger/David Fales is really the best prospect in the draft-and Clowney shouldn't even be taken before the 3rd round!


Literally a bunch of geeks sitting around trying to out over dramatize each other.

#2758002 Ashley Fox article on Cam Newton

Posted by mcdougal on 01 May 2014 - 10:17 AM

So you're not willing to accept the fact that cam faces a disproportionate amount of criticism from his own fans?

Naturally ever qb of every team gets critiqued and sometimes thrown under the bus by his own fans. It's just way worse with Cam. You really think that cam gets it no worse than any other qb?

People aren't saying cam shouldn't get shredded after losses. He should. People are saying he takes a large amount of unwarranted criticism. The huddle isn't a good place to see that bc in general the mods and community shun people who are too blatant and expose their thoughtless hatred too often. Not everybody who points that out is wrong or is a 'kid with a chip on his shoulder' like you often say.

A significant percentage of Carolina Panthers fans still hate Cam and always will. Your clean cut socially neutered pseudo logic won't change that.

I get it. Your knowledge of football is paramount. ...but your take on social issues could use some field study.

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I will say it again. And this is just ONE example of many.


Cam Newton was criticized for HOW he threw the game winning touchdown pass that secured our playoff spot, and gave us the inside edge for the No. 2 spot and a first round bye.


Not just one outliner Huddler, but a group of Huddlers, that created both Threads AND Posts criticizing Newton--and one particular Huddler even stated that we should bring in a QB next year that would push Newton for the starting job next year (only one poster suggested this).


That week the Huddle was littered Threads regarding Newton's performance and about 1/2 were of the critical nature.



That VERY week, Tannehill and the Dolphins (my second favorite team) lost to BUF in a shutout fashion, and basically ENDED their playoff bid, and there were NO threads on the Dolphins board even mentioning the name "Tannehill."


He can bury his head in the sand all he wants, but I PROMISE you, there will be MORE threads being critical of Cam after he wins, than there will be of MOST QBs after they lose. And I look forward to pointing them out to him as the year progress (hopefully, we win a ton of games so I can show him a ton of examples from all across the NFL)

#2756040 Ashley Fox article on Cam Newton

Posted by mcdougal on 29 April 2014 - 04:10 PM

Know how I can tell you've never been to those boards? :lol:


Bradofrd, Tannehill and Stafford have all been bashed by fans on their own forums (go look; it's not hard to find) but the most ridiculous of those suggestions is that Bear fans never criticize Cutler.  A pretty solid portion of them wanted to keep Josh McCown as the starter last year and this year and were pissed when they didn't.


Every fanbase has people that don't like the QB, including the best of them.  Heck, even Peyton Manning has people ready to dump him for the next guy up after last year's Super Bowl.  This is why you have the old saying "the backup quarterback is always the most popular guy on the team".


It is true that some fanbases have more quarterback critics than others, but I don't see the Panthers having a higher percentage among the bunch, and definitely not the highest.  If you believe that, go to a Cowboy board and start a talk about Tony Romo or look back at prior Jag fan discussions about Blaine Gabbert. 


I pointed out to this board the very week after we had secured a playoff spot, and defeated the Saints, that there were MORE threads criticizing Cam than there were Dolphins thread even MENTIONING Tannehill-after Tannehill played god-awful and cost the Dolphins a playoff spot. The very same week.


In fact, I linked the Dolphins forum, and pointed out---in great detail--that the only critical post I could find was buried in a thread, and thread that was buried on the second page of the forum towards the bottom.


There were NO threads titles which would even hint at being critical of Tannehill. This was the SAME week our QB just threw us into a playoff birth. 


And that is the point. On EVERY single major publication regarding Newton--be it from NBC, CBS, ESPN, Observer you will find PANTHER fans (in addition to fans of other teams) stating how they are Carolina fans..."but Newton is overrated and not a very good QB and it would be a huge mistake to sign him long term" etc.


And that when things are good relatively good...


You honestly don't remember how many thread there were on here the Monday and Tuesday after we won against the Saints talking about how "Newton's touchdown pass wasn't even a good throw" and how moving forward we needed to bring someone in to "push Newton for the starting job"?


And this was right AFTER the biggest win of the season.

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