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#3301149 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by mcdougal on Yesterday, 07:44 PM

The jury is still out on whether Tannehill and Cam can reach elite status, but both are largely considered solid enough QBs. Of course Cam has a huge edge in rushing which probably tip the scales in his favor, but I don't get people trying to use him as a comparison for Cam in the sense that he is heads and shoulders above him from a statistical point. He is not.

The main difference from what I can see is that the Dolphins fan base as a whole is more accepting and appreciative of Tannehill than Panthers fans are with Cam.


I will say it again, there was virtually zero threads or even posts on the Dolphins message board even mentioning Tannehill the week he laid a massive egg against the Bills preventing the Dolphins from getting to the playoffs. The exact same week the Huddle's front page was littered with threads (forget posts) criticizing Newton for not throwing the perfect pass to defeat the Saints and clinch the playoffs.  

#3300679 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by mcdougal on Yesterday, 02:34 PM

This is spot-on but to be fair to this crowd I don't think they ignore the team weaknesses. They seem to believe that a "franchise QB" should be able to overcome them and if Cam can't we should find someone who should.


I get it but I think that's just flawed logic. The Panthers' weaknesses as a team are so anti-QB that there's no one in the league that I can confidently say could have done more than Cam has, and that's a testament to his talent. There's always room for improvement and no one has ever suggested otherwise. 


Well, the problem with these posters, and they are doing it on this very page in this very thread, is they will admit to that there is lack of talent surrounding Newton. But they quickly move from that platform and harp on their preconceived notions about Newton, or what he may lack.


They usually begin their arguments with "Well, our offense could use some upgrade BUT Newton..." At times, they even appear to be reasonable, seemingly auguring that there is a 50-50 split between lack of skills at the WR/ OL, and things that Newton could improve on. They will at first talk about lack of talent in conjunction with things Newton needs to do to improve.


But notice one thing about these posters, they NEVER show up in threads discussing HOW to get Newton more help. They NEVER actually express a DESIRE to get better on the outside or in the trenches. And often are critical of anyone who complains about what our GM is doing to improve the overall offense. However, they are in EVERY thread where criticism of Newton can be drawn.


The pattern is very simple: complain, complain, complain about Newton and lack of offensive production in September through January. Become hostile to anyone that suggests making moves to improving said offense that they spent the better part of the Fall and Winter destroying their keyboard, in February through April. In May through August, they spend their time talking about their over-inflated expectation for Newton and the offense they just spent months either hostile or silent about making more explosive. 


Oh, they know the offense needs help, they will be the first one picking BOA whenever Newton leaves, if his replacement is depending on the likes of Philly Brown and Bersin to make critical catches in the playoffs all while being protected by the likes of Bell, who cannot even find a replacement home.

#3300444 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by mcdougal on Yesterday, 12:02 PM

I am sorry, does anyone else notice a pattern from certain posters here?


It has come to the point where the national media is even acknowledging the lack of help/talent around Newton, so it isn't just a bunch of "delusional" posters or "Cam nuthuggers" that harp on the "leaves much to be desired" cast surrounding Newton. Just yesterday, there was an article stating that this free agency period, the Panthers have failed to upgrade the players on offense to better assist Newton, and it used the phrase: "AGAIN." Which indicates that this is a routine occurrence for Newton and the Panthers. 


(Nobody is arguing that they are not reasons for this, such as lack of salary cap, but the FACT remains, Newton has been given disproportionately bad offensive help, considering his historically low rookie deal)


Yet, the SAME posters who cry about Newton specifically, are the FIRST ones who come to the defense of the "talent" surrounding Newton. The SAME ones who are the MOST quiet during the week the Panthers win games, or right after Newton scores a TD, pretend that they have suddenly lost internet connectivity. The FIRST ones who remain silent about bringing in better talent on offense. And the FIRST ones who dislike any conversation which compares the cast of Newton to his peers.


But, the SAME posters are the loudest when discussing any deficiency in Newton's game, MOST critical when the offense fails to score a TD (yet are very supportive when the Panthers allocates a bunch of resources to the defense), are the MOST active on the weeks that the Panthers lose (they strictly want to discuss whatever Newton failing they perceive), and MOST importantly tend to be posters who were among the most adamant not to draft Newton or most resistant to the idea of asserting Newton as the franchise QB.


There are like 5 of them: High post counts, claims they are only "constructively" criticizing Newton, passive-aggressive in nature, over inflated egos, attacks posters who attempt to defend Newton, think that they are overtly intelligent, generally augmentative, and persistent in their beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary. 


They are not trolls and are basically fixtures of the Huddle. They will even be somewhat happy if the Panthers do win a Superbowl with Newton (somewhat happy). And they are Panthers fans but generally have complete disdain for Newton.


And I promise you, the day Newton leaves, is the day that THEY will suddenly start campaigning for the Panthers to start fixing the offensive line and lack of skill players issues. They will suddenly notice that maybe our lack of offensive firepower more comes from a Oline filled with un-drafted veterans and a WR core lead by a Rookie (the 8th pass catcher taken) expected to be No. 1 from game one, then it does a QB that 1/2 the time is in the Pro-bowl. Until then, they're more than content to advocate for as little help as possible on offense, so that they can voice their displeasure with it in October.

#3299690 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by mcdougal on 25 March 2015 - 09:49 PM

You couldn't think of any other word than lazy? Really? Hopefully that's just a mistake on your part. I don't think dealing with an ankle injury, a rib injury, and a back injury, yet still pushing through and starting 14 regular season games would fall under "lazy".


All of the above mentioned factors had a substantial impact on his mechanics.


It isn't like Cam was just out there like "I don't feel like applying what I've learned as a pocket passer today guys, fug it".


You will notice a pattern with him. He is the first to criticize Newton, last to saying anything positive, and is completely silent when time comes to surround Newton with talent...but the first to complain when the Panthers arent scoring 50 on the Seahawks. 

#3293120 Russel Wilson Contract News

Posted by mcdougal on 21 March 2015 - 01:05 AM

LOL the Huddle said the Seahawks were going down hill last year...only to end up beating us and being literally one yard, and moronic play call from repeating... lets stop making predictions about the Seahawks' demise until we actually defeat them, alright.

#3288808 "Why the 49ers should move all in for Luke Kuechly in 2016"

Posted by mcdougal on 17 March 2015 - 10:09 PM

given how bad the niners are going to be next year, and 2016 as well, you guys really wouldn't trade luke for two potentially top 5 1st round picks??!?!? you guys are smoking crack. 


luke will eventually be the highest paid LB in the league, and given gettleman's ability to find diamonds in the rough come draft day, i'd take this deal in a second!



#3284163 For the "Cam ain't got weapons" crowd.

Posted by mcdougal on 14 March 2015 - 12:59 PM

Gettlemen is entitled to build this team how he sees fit. He is the GM and it is his job, and no one else, that is on the line at the end of the day.


I think there are any number of ways to build a team and be successful, including trying to build a strong defense to keep the scoring down in games. But this is personally not the way that I would have built the team around Newton...


I would probably take the Colt's approach, and hire a Defensive Head Coach, make him prove his defensive genius, and then immediately try to load up on offensive talent and surround my No. 1 overall QB with everything he could ask for on his side of the ball...including some of his college coaches and teammates that he was successful with...


But it is completely absurd that people cheer on our Front Office's approach in the off-season, and then complain about our lack of offensive production in-season...If you want your team to win in a shoot out with Aaron Rodgers in late October, you should have been crying about Cam Newton having as a No. 1 WR a rookie in late May. 


Otherwise you need to blame the Front Office for not giving the Panthers a defense that could stop the Packer's offense. 

#3283243 What's wrong with this?

Posted by mcdougal on 13 March 2015 - 07:25 PM

Wait are we talking about coaching or players?


I trust Gettleman to put a team on the field that is capable of winning. I do not have faith in Shula as an offensive coach...at all. Big difference. 


Shula is not my favorite either, and I have said I am not sure a single top 25 college program would hire him for the same position he has now (save LSU).


But even the national media recognizes that there is a lack of offensive power in Carolina. It doesn't mean that Shula, Newton, Rivera, and the rest of the offense can't be better...but if we are going to take the approach that we have been taking, we as fans should put the blame were it belongs if we have a problem with how much our offense produces...


And that is on the Panther's FO who take an approach of dumping resources into the defense, and making the offense make due with what little they have...


That is not Shula's fault. Therefore I see no point of holding him mainly responsible for 14 to 16 games.

#3283215 What's wrong with this?

Posted by mcdougal on 13 March 2015 - 07:15 PM

Dude this is the Panthers way since...


I understand...I don't necessarily like it...but I don't think you can't win a SB that way...


You absolutely can...


I just can't stand people complaining about those frustrated about the lack of improvement to the offense...only to liter the Huddle with thread after thread complaining about the SAME unit they thought it okay heading into the season.


And this is after they were the FIRST ones critical about the offense the season before.


Shouldn't these people be the first to voice their concerns about the lack of personnel improvement?

#3283187 What's wrong with this?

Posted by mcdougal on 13 March 2015 - 07:07 PM

Yet you know they will


Which is the ironic part.


They complain about how many threads are being created by posters complaining about lack of offensive talent, but then proceed to create 1000 threads about lack of offensive production in the Fall.


At least those that are complaining now realize that NOW is the opportunity to really do something about our lack of offensive production. This time of year is the best time to attempt to make meaningful moves upgrade a unit long thought to be mediocre. However, the village idiots in the Fall will constantly complain about the unit they spent the entire off-season talking about how if you squeeze your eyes hard enough, our offense is as talented any top 5 offense in the league.

#3283145 What's wrong with this?

Posted by mcdougal on 13 March 2015 - 06:45 PM

I will simply say for all the posters now complaining about other posters complaining about the talent or lack of talent surrounding Newton...


I want you to have the same mindset come September when the Panthers are forced to play games in the teens, and when Shula, Rivera, Newton, and the rest of the offense relies on the Defense to lead the way and shut down opponents.


I don't want to see 5 threads heading into Atlanta about how the offense needs to score 30 points,or how Newton needs to do this or that. Or 10 threads after the Houston game about how the offense failed to run out the clock allowing the Texans to win by a FG at the end.


Enough is enough. The same posters rolling their eyes about how it is not okay that we have failed to do anything to upgrade the offense, better be prepared to not create 5000 posts after the Seahawks game about Shula not calling or players not executing the 4th and 15 in the 4th quarter. 

#3280957 Why Gettleman is a GM... and you aren't.

Posted by mcdougal on 12 March 2015 - 06:47 PM

Look at me I'm smart because I agree with the 7-9 Panthers!


Let the Panthers go 7-8-1 in the exact same manner, only this time the Falcons go 9-7 and 7-8-1 be not quite good enough to make the post-season. 


How much you wanna bet those "optimistic" posters will be creating 95 threads a day blaming the players? Specifically one player.

#3279759 Bucs have "aggressive plan" to trade for AP

Posted by mcdougal on 12 March 2015 - 01:08 PM

If I were the Bucs, this is what I would be trying to do too.


Load up on offense, and make Lovie earn his reputation as a defensive genius...


This is the approach I wish the Panthers would take with Ron.

#3279590 If he's at 25, can Gettleman pass on DGB?

Posted by mcdougal on 12 March 2015 - 12:18 PM

18 INT's in college vs the ACC and one SEC team=polished?  f u c k, Case Keenum coming out of college was a damn monster then.  


And Matt Ryan threw 19 as a senior in the ACC...your point?


Manning threw 26 his rookie year...your point?


Just because you throw INTS doesn't mean you are not polished.

#3276169 Boykin to Visit per Rapoport

Posted by mcdougal on 10 March 2015 - 10:05 PM

I'm one of the "It's just March Crowd", but about the only thing you'll hear me complain about is Shula and Bersin muffing punts.


No, I don't mean to imply that they are not Huddlers who are consistent in their approach...


There are...


They understand that the way the Panthers are built lends itself to a lot of 10-14 type games and don't complain about the offense not being able to keep up with Aaron Rodgers, or hanging 40 on the Seahawks...


But there is a vocal group of Huddlers who love to create threads critical of Newton and the offense in-season, while claiming Newton and the offense have more than enough talent in the off-season, and therefore we should be trying to draft the next Warren Sapp.