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#3032169 Serious fugging question

Posted by mcdougal on 19 October 2014 - 10:59 PM

I think in our case we have spent 4 years funneling draft picks into the defense. The next draft needs to be offense heavy or someone needs to be fired. Rivera has had way to much time to mold the defense the way he wants it, its time to focus on your franchise QB or go somewhere else.


What makes it so bad is that the Huddle constantly complains about not having enough offensive power, looks as the FO go after defensive players and applause them, and then goes right back to complaining about the offense.


All week long we heard how it is up to the offense---who has been neglected for 4 years---to go into GB and control the game...meanwhile the elite defense just needs to "slow down" GB.


I never knew that crack was legal in NC.

#3032137 Soon, Very Soon

Posted by mcdougal on 19 October 2014 - 10:48 PM

the Panthers will spend all their cap on defense and 2 of the first 3 picks will be defense, the Huddle will cheer in April, and then complain about not hanging with Rodgers and Brees in September, while the offensive talent erodes away for a 5th straight year.

#3028577 Official Panthers - Packers Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 19 October 2014 - 01:24 PM

Yep. People keep comparing this group of crap to last seasons group of crap and think we're good. Sure we may have improved, but that doesn't mean we have a good group of WR's


Exactly. All off season we heard from people on here: "all we have to replace is 10 catches a game...our WRs/pass/offense was not that good last year anyways." Instead of trying to progress, trying to get better offensive personnel, the FO and the Carolina fan base is content with repeating a sub-par offensive output from 2013.


This is exactly what happens when you dump all your eggs into one side of the ball...when that side fails to produce...we get blow outs.


All this  effort being dumped into the defense and they are CONSISTENTLY giving up 30 a game.


And then the Huddle looks at Newton for answers.

#3028367 Official Panthers - Packers Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 19 October 2014 - 01:13 PM

Asking a Shula-led offense to "come from behind" is like asking a bullfrog to not bump his ass.


It is not about Shula, it is about a Front Office and fan base that appears to be allergic to getting offensive skill players and think that year after year its okay to ignore that side of the ball.

#3027435 Official Panthers - Packers Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 19 October 2014 - 12:30 PM

You know what the sad thing about all this is. All this is going to do is make the Panther's FO draft all defense again this year...only to neglect the offense, and then have the Huddle applaud in the off season and then scream about offensive production in the regular season.

#3023179 Mild Concussion for Benji

Posted by mcdougal on 16 October 2014 - 12:06 AM

I think we have one of the least talented offenses in the NFL. The ONLY reason we're not on our way to 0-16 is because can drag our team to wins. He drags our terrible offense down the field and into the endzone. The top priority is to spend less on our overpriced defense, and start spending more on the o-line and weapons for Cam.


I am not at all a Cam fanboy, but it's crystal clear now that we need to convert to an offensive minded team. We can't continue to force Cam to do everything on offense while throwing him to the wolves with few weapons and a terrible o-line. The price for doing that is a season ending, or career ending injury for Cam. This is totally unacceptable. Dump the high priced defensive players, load up at o-line, WR, and take over the league.


I agree. But I would add: if the FO wants to continue to go defense that doesn't mean they are wrong. That is their choice--they can suffer the consequences should that strategy blow up in their face.


But what gets me more than anything else is the Huddle. They complain about not having an explosive offense all season-then agree with the FO when they select another Dline men-then complain the following season about not having an explosive offense.

#3021271 What is the Cam Newton standard?

Posted by mcdougal on 14 October 2014 - 06:12 PM

I'm glad someone finally pointed out that Luck isn't doing it all alone. The Colts have spent valuable resources (early picks, chunks of cap space) to surround Luck with weapons. Just because they haven't used those picks wisely doesn't mean they weren't trying to do it. 


The Panthers, on the other hand, seemingly decided to wait until this past season to finally upgrade Cam's weapons (Benji in the first, Turner in the 3rd), but it's still nothing compared to the resources invested by the Colts to augment Luck's offense.


Excellent post. To add, they didn't just bring in just any ole body to help Luck, the often bring in people Luck is comfortable with...his college roommate, his college OC.


As to your second part, preach! The Jags in this past draft have tried to do more the help Bortles succeed than the Panthers have done in 4 years.

#3018683 The Panthers D has given up 136 points over their past 4 games, most in franc...

Posted by mcdougal on 13 October 2014 - 11:25 AM

Other than the McCown, Wilson will arguably be the worst QB this defense has faced so far this season. You can make the case that Stafford, Big Ben, Flacco, Cutler, Dalton, and Rodgers are all better.


There is no case to be made that Wilson is a worse QB than Stafford, Flacco, Cutler, Dalton...How do you even come up with that?

#3017516 If there is one thing i can say about Cam now with no second thought..

Posted by mcdougal on 12 October 2014 - 08:12 PM

Is that he has clearly become the BEST player on this team. He has always been the most IMPORTANT player which is the norm for a QB but before today i think it was good argument on either him or Luke. NOT ANYMORE, Cam is the most important player on this team and THE Best player over Luke now. No matter how many times Rivera tries to take the game out his hands to prove his philosophy it doesnt change the fact it should be in Cams hands from now on when its crunch time.


Of course this has been going on for a while now, but i think a lot more people saw today during this game how this staff holds Cam back and not the other way around. Rivera exposed himself again today, he cant hide behind an incredible defense no more, if we are gonna continue to win games it needs be threw Cam making plays and not hoping the defense seals the game for us. It will be interesting to see if Rivera sticks by his ego or lets Cam become the guy to carry this team from here on out.


Winning shootouts is not apart of Riveras philosophy, teams are not supposed to be scoring anywhere near 37 points on us and when that has happened he has shown his flaws as a head coach.  Of course i dont want this to continue and still hope the defense gets their poo together but i think its obvious when they are off Cam needs to be the one to win the game for us. I thought Rivera would have understood this by now, i guess not.


This is not necessarily directed at you but:
I will say it again. If you are banking on Cam Newton, and THIS set of offensive player to win games...you are smoking crack.


Every year it is the same thing on the Huddle. All season, the Huddle complains about lack of offensive talent, how we could use 2 play making WRs, another TE won't hurt, and an upgraded o-line. We get to the draft and free agency, lose a couple of the few offensive talent already are thin at and they get older, we go all in on defense, the Huddle rejoices and says what a great job the FO has done, and say something like: "well the offense has another year together to improve...Cam will improve...and the defense will help the offense..."


And then come September, the Huddle is screaming about not being able to win shoot out with teams that have HEAVILY invested in the offensive side of the ball.


It is like 1/2 of you don't pay attention to what the FO is does in the off season...and that is NOT to become an offensive centered team.


This is like asking Denver's defense to carry the team while Peyton Manning and the rest of the offense is sucking huge portions of their resources up.


I bet my last dollar, we will complain about the lack of offensive talent, go into the off season, the Panther will use 2/3 draft picks on defense...much of the cap will be allocated to bringing in more defensive help...and September, 2015 we will be screaming about Newton needing to do more.

#3016785 Cotch Killed Us

Posted by mcdougal on 12 October 2014 - 05:34 PM

Is it just me, or does it seem like everything in the passing game comes off the right arm of Newton. With few exceptions...here and there...if Cam throws the ball 10 yards and the WR catches the ball, the Panthers get 10 yards.


Cam had 280 yards passing, and 265 of them was through the air.


Lord, Benjamin can even turn a critical 3rd down throw into 1 yard.


Jesus, this offense needs play makers, and they need them BAD.

#3015927 Official Panthers - Bengals Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 12 October 2014 - 04:13 PM

Even with the defense sucking major ass, the coach still trusts them over the offense? We are going no where fast with that attitude Ron.


Well, considering how this team is built, I would trust them over this offense too. At the end of the day, the defense is supposed to be our strength, they are supposed to be the leaders, and have the most talent.


The offense, the way it is presently constructed, needs to score on short fields, not turn over the ball, and generally get out the way of the defense.


Nothing that happens this season is going to change the fact that this offense is devoid of talent, and the Front Office put all its eggs in the defensive basket yet again.


It is time for them to step up. They have not played a complete game since Detroit.

#3013971 Official Panthers - Bengals Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 12 October 2014 - 02:37 PM

I still feel Cam should have made that throw, not that im not grateful but it cud have been a game changer.


Meanwhile your defense is allowing 24 points...so far...


This is not an offensive problem...this is a defensive problem.


17 points (7 with the help of the defense) should be enough for our top 5 defense.

#3011877 Official Panthers - Bengals Gameday Thread

Posted by mcdougal on 12 October 2014 - 12:37 PM

Shula better keep up the non herp a derp because it's going to be on the offense today...Godfrey going to give up a first down on every possession...gonna have to out score em


It is NEVER on this offense. The offense doesn't have the talent or resources to play shoot out with other NFL teams.


This defense MUST step up and hold the Bengals offense down (to somewhere from 13 to 17 points).

#3010209 Cam v. Luck - The "Build Around" Philosophy

Posted by mcdougal on 11 October 2014 - 02:01 PM

Has anybody mentioned that the Colts selected Luck's roommate with the second pick they had in that draft and then the next year went out and got his offensive Coordinator from Stanford?


Those two moves alone is more than enough to show that the Colts have built around their QB, while the Panthers have not. And that is not to say that building a defense is the wrong move. But what is wrong is to pour all your resources into that unit and then complain about the offense that was the worst in the NFL the year proceeding Newton--and has each year gotten worse.

#3002279 NFL QB rankings for 1st quarter

Posted by mcdougal on 06 October 2014 - 08:43 AM

Luck is a really good QB. We have to keep in mind that it is still early in his pro career. However, he IS overrated. Yes, he broke Cam's rookie passing record. Big whoop! Cam also broke rookie rushing records and the overall rushing TD record IN THE SAME SEASON! Luck didnt even put a dent in that. Plus he threw more than Cam as well, probably due to Cam's rushing.

Either way, Luck has had FAR less competition. If the Colts were in the NFC South.....things would be a lot diff. But he isnt. No reason to paint Luck as horrible, but he isnt what he is made out to be.....at least not yet.


This really could not be said any better. Luck IS a good QB, a franchise QB, a QB to build around and hopefully win Superbowl with.


But he is not the greatest QB and he is AMAZINGLY overrated. There is not a single thing that Luck does/has that Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson, heck even throw in RGIII does not did/have. The only thing that Luck beats them out in is passing yards...but that is not all that surprising since he throws the ball 40+ times a game, and those QB do not.


And no, that does not mean "he is more capable of handling an offense that throws the ball more than those QBs."


Not sure about this year, but if you look at Luck's attempts and compare them to Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson (not sure about RGIII), you would realize that as Luck's attempts increases...his QB rating decreases, generally. Generally, the more Wilson and Kaepernick attempts, the higher their QB rating increases--the same with Newton, although not as strongly.


So it is not hard to reason, that if Newton, Kaepernick, Wilson were in more pass happy offenses, they would throw for as many yards as Luck currently. God knows, they already beat him in wins, QB ratings, TD/INT ratios, total TDs, etc. while playing a significantly harder schedules.

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