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TonyN

Member Since 26 Oct 2012
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In Topic: Person tweets Jennings not with Panthers

Yesterday, 08:57 PM

The Huddle has quite a poor track record in terms of evaluating wideouts.

 

Steve Smith was done as a number one receiver. He was at best a number two. At his age was ideally suited to limp along as a number 3...then he goes to a very good Ravens team, becomes their clear number 1 and goes for 1000+ and 13.5 yards a catch.

 

Brandon LaFell was pure trash. Probably could not even make most NFL rosters. As a number 2 he was an embarrassment. Worse number 2 in the history of football...then he goes to New England, becomes a hybrid 1/2 for the Patriots, goes for essentially 1000 yards (953) and wins a Super Bowl. 

 

Stephen Hill...He sick...sign that man...Hill couldn't beat out Avant or Bersin to even make the roster and has a good chance on never making it off the practice squad.

 

Now everyone is up in arms about possibly not signing Jennings, whose production has declined his last three full seasons in the league and is nothing more than JAG at this point in his career. 

 

And this is the same Huddle that was so high on Cotchery and Avant going into last season...now the popular opinion is that those two are trash not worthy of a roster spot...

 

 


In Topic: same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

27 March 2015 - 12:45 AM

Ok, so you want to play the peer game.

 

Here are your rankings (the first three are tops of all time):

 

Aaron Rodgers        106.0

Tony Romo              97.6

Peyton Manning       97.5

Tom Brady               95.9

Philip Rivers             95.7

Drew Brees             95.4

Ben Roethlisberger   95.9

Matt Ryan                91.1

Matt Schaub            89.9

Andrew Luck           86.6

Carson Palmer        86.3

Cam Newton           85.4

 

Now suffice it to say that Schaub has seen better days, and if you take into account that a lot of these guys are probably not going to be around in three years, who do you think is going to be near the top of the league? Then, again for shits and giggles, just think of the weapons that some of these QBs have had over the years and compare them to what Cam has had.  You got to be kidding me, dude.

His passer rating is not that far off from Andrew Luck, the purported gold standard of the young QBs.

 

Like I said, give Cam better conditions, or at least those equal to some of his peers before you throw him under the bus.  What you're trying to insinuate about him just being not that good is totally false, and that's before you take his running into account.

 

Don't forget about Wilson's 98.6

or Foles 94.2

or Kaepernick's 90.6

or Griffin's 90.6

or Bridgewater's 85.2

or Austin Davis' 85.1

 

all QB's with less experience than Newton and better/equal passing numbers. As far as Newton is concerned, I maintain what I have been saying about him for the last 2 1/2 seasons. He is a mediocre passer with good mobility. I stand by that assessment. I realize 3 1000 yard receivers and a top 10 rushing attack are not good enough weapons for Cam to put up big numbers---that's what the Panthers had in 2013...Cam just needed MORE "weapons" in order to finish above 16th in NFL passer rating...


In Topic: same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

27 March 2015 - 12:27 AM

Kid brought a cap gun to the fight, but he didn't realize that I had a 12 gauge.

 

Sorry, dude. I have been waiting 30 minutes for you to pull my cap gun out of your ass. I guess it must be stuck somewhere up there. Later.


In Topic: same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

27 March 2015 - 12:11 AM

Since you seem stifled, read this brief article. There are many more like it. http://espn.go.com/n...voring-offenses

 

Did you know that of the top 50 completion percentage seasons of all -time, fully 37 of them have come in the 2000's?

 

Golly, I had no idea Chad Pennington was better than Joe Namath !!!


In Topic: same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

27 March 2015 - 12:01 AM

I am fully aware that our defense played great football for the last four games. That's not even debatable.

But, did he improve or not? For shits and giggles, since you're so into numbers and extrapolation, how did our receiving corps do during that four game stretch, and extrapolate that through a full season.

And were you a Jake Delhomme fan by chance? Were you able to watch Elway, Marino, or Favre? Did you see Flacco and Eli Manning win the Super Bowl? You ever heard of Staubach, Unitas or Jurgensen? Well, that 87.4 percent passer rating in those last four games was higher than the career passer rating for all of them.
And the passer rating, besides winning of course, is arguably the most important stat of them all.

 

I am fully aware of the changes in the NFL game which have essentially made statistical comparisons of quarterbacks who played even 6 or 7 years ago completely irrelevant to those of today's players. Ironically those same stats are what Camophiles hide behind in order to "prove" Newton's worth relative to the all time greats.. 

 

When Roger Staubach retired in 1979, his career passer rating of 83.4 was the best of all time. 

 

An 83.4 last season would have placed Staubach between Andy Dalton and Cam Newton at 27th in the NFL.

 

Here is the reality: the statistics of today's players can only be accurately gauged by comparisons with their contemporaries. Newton's numbers of 2011 mean nothing in comparison with Marino's numbers from 1983 or even Manning's numbers from 1998. Get out a little. Look at Newton's numbers in comparison with Dalton. With Wilson. With Kaepernick. With Tannehill. With Luck. It's early yet, but look at Bridgewater...

 

A strange thing starts to emerge: Cam Newton's career numbers are not that good. In fact, they are pedestrian in comparison with those of his contemporaries. Statistically, Cam Newton is a slightly less accurate Andy Dalton with better mobility.