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TonyN

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In Topic: I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

20 November 2014 - 02:22 AM

So you voted no?

 

LOL, just saw this.

 

Sorry if I sounded like a Jackass in some of my responses to you. Being outnumbered 9 to 1 put me on the defensive.

 

Having read through this thread again, you seem like a fair, level headed person I just happen to disagree with. And that's OK.


In Topic: I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

20 November 2014 - 12:03 AM

Gettleman does not have to get up in front of reporters and answer question several times a week. Rivera does.

 

Do you actually think Gettleman didn't realize what the Panthers had at OL going into the season?

 

It is ludicrous.

 

It his is job to know. Sure he takes input from coaches, but ultimately he is the one responsible for stocking the cupboard. This season, he didn't have any money to stock the cupboard. It just wasn't there.

 

What was Rivera supposed to say??? " Well, I really don't like the hand I am being dealt by my GM, but I guess I'll just have to deal with it." ???

 

Running and coaching an NFL franchise is not as easy as playing smart guy on an internet message board.

 

I think Gettleman's thoughts on the OL were simply this: I have a veteran QB. He is entering his 4th full season as a starter. If there is anyone I can count on to pull some extra weight and take a little pressure off a part of the roster we just can't address, my franchise QB is the guy to do it.

 

It hasn't just hasn't worked out that way.


In Topic: I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

19 November 2014 - 11:40 PM

I know this is tough, but separate opinion from fact.

 

It is your opinion that Ron Rivera's coaching is hurting the team. That is opinion, not fact.

 

Here is a fact: Rivera coached the Panthers to a 12 and 4 record last season. That's pretty tough to do if you are actually the village idiot.

 

You can disagree with Rivera's decisions, but that doesn't mean you are right, it just means you disagree.

 

With the multitude of problems the Panthers have faced this season, firing Rivera would not only be unfair, it would be silly...

 

Unless some behind the scenes firestorm occurs, it is not going to happen. But here's what IS going to happen: a new OC and probably a new QB coach will be brought in...I don't think Ron had much choice in the decision to hire Shula, frankly. I think he played the good soldier and went with the organizational decision to go "all in" with the "continuity" Shula was going to offer...that's dead in the water at this point...some really, really tough decisions are in the offing...


In Topic: I don't think I've ever seen the fanbase against our HC coach this mu...

19 November 2014 - 11:23 PM

Until Gettleman comes out and says the reason he didn't focus much on the OL this offseason was because Rivera assured him that Chandler and Bell were progressing as desired and could get the job done. Rivera believed in them, and he took Rivera at his word when he told him he didn't think the OL would be an issue for this one season. "Well, that didn't end up being the case."

 

Do you know how Gettleman made his bones in the NFL ???

 

As a scout.

 

If you think the guy doesn't have an eye for talent, you are deluding yourself. He knew exactly what he had.

 

The reason Gettleman didn't address the offensive line is because there really wasn't anyone available in free agency with the money the Panthers had available. And the players available in the draft were clear reaches...and we had a glaring need at receiver.

 

Gettleman knew full well he was handing Rivera less than a loaded deck coming into the season. He basically said it out loud for all to hear.

 

Add up the personnel losses Gettleman was unable to address, the injuries that have hit nearly everywhere, the Hardy debacle, the fact that CJ basically decided he would rather count money than play and the regression of Cam Newton and you will start to realize why Gettleman is not going to bail on Ron Rivera a year after going 12 and 4.


In Topic: Still in for Rivera~

19 November 2014 - 09:21 PM

So I throw your beloved stats back at you and you run and hide.

 

It's okay, most of us expect nothing else.

 

You'll just need to do a better job of explaining what stat I am hiding from.

 

Trying to correlate the potential 16.7 % chance of a Gano miss from 40 to 49, to the potential for a sack or interception is a red herring.

 

Gano wanted the left hash. Rivera trusted his kicker. He wanted to put Gano where Gano was comfortable.  You can bash Rivera for trusting Gano more than Newton all you want.


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