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#3040373 Cam and Russell pressure stats this season: the raw numbers

Posted by TonyN on Yesterday, 06:22 PM


The salaries of each OL playing Sunday
LT - Russell Okung - $11,240,000
LG - James Carpenter - $2,431,364
C- Max Unger - $6,100,000
RG - J.R. Sweezy - $584,212
RT - Justin Britt - $628,533
Seahawks OL - $20,984,109
LT - Byron Bell - $2,187.000
LG - Andrew Norwell - $420,000
C - Ryan Kalil - $7,284,000
RG - Fernando Valesco - $635,000
RT - Nate Chandler - $770,000
Panthers OL - $11,296,000
$9,688,109 - Difference
In terms of the numbers presented above, the pressure stats look similar if not better for Cam so perhaps our OL could be worse (Seattle's O-Line). 



Almost no one on this forum will admit it, but Carolina's offensive line has been average in pass protection. There are quite a number of teams with worse pass blocking. My God, have none of you seen a Jags game this year, for instance???


In terms of run-blocking, the Panthers are definitely below average, but since the running backs have been so banged up it is really hard to judge where they actually stand.


Gettleman has put together a serviceable offensive line while spending very, very little money.


Many people will never admit that this O-line is not the dumpster fire so many claim it to be...


It's too easy of a scapegoat.

#3036172 Why don't we try out Micheal Sam?

Posted by TonyN on 21 October 2014 - 07:51 PM

Not to mention the bible thumping owner and military family head coach



If Michael Sam had not come out as gay, no one outside of a few people in SEC land would have even heard of him. He is just another in the incredibly long list of good college players whose skills just do not translate into the NFL. 


I firmly believe the announcement of his sexual orientation was premeditated and a response to his play at the senior bowl as well as a counterbalance to what he and his agent knew were going to be disappointing combine numbers. 


If he truly, as he has said, just wanted to be known as "Michael Sam, football player", why did he need to make his sexual orientation an issue on the eve of the NFL draft???


Everyone knows there are gay players in the NFL and no one really cares, especially coaches and GM's, most of whom would sign Satan if they believed he could play. 


People have used the word "courageous" in reference to Sam.


I think "courageous" would have been to attempt to make a squad on his own athletic merit and then come out as gay. 

#3029833 Official Panthers - Packers Gameday Thread

Posted by TonyN on 19 October 2014 - 02:39 PM

At least Andrew Luck is over 300 again.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

#3015931 46 attempts, 0 sacks, 4qb hits, 147 rushing yards...

Posted by TonyN on 12 October 2014 - 04:13 PM

The much maligned offensive line had another strong performance. Despite many blitz's by the Bengals, pass protection overall was outstanding. 


When Cincinnati did not blitz, Newton, for the most part had all day to throw. 


There was movement in the run game as well, especially on the edge. 


This unit has played pretty darned well for two weeks in a row. 



#3010731 Newton vs. Dalton: the raw numbers

Posted by TonyN on 11 October 2014 - 08:20 PM

Since both of these guys came into the league at the same time, I thought a comparison of their overall production would be fun. Here it is:


Career:         Games           Comp %          Yards        Y/A      TD's     TD%     Int.     Int%    Rate     4QC     GWD


Newton             52                59.9                12,282     7.7      69        4.3       43       2.7       87.1     7            7

Dalton               52                61.1                12,286     7.1      84        4.8       50       2.9       86.6     6          11


But, of course, Newton has a tremendous edge in mobility so let's add in their rushing stats for a total offense, total touchdown comparison:


                    Total yards       Total Touchdowns    Total Offense per game    Total Touchdowns per game

Newton           14,356               97                             276                                     1.9    

Dalton             12,769               92                             246                                     1.8    


The mobile Newton has a clear edge, though it is probably not as great as most people would assume. Also, a scrambling Quarterback is not an unmixed blessing. While Newton has been sacked 125 times to Dalton's 100, he has also LOST 937 yards on those sacks, compared to 579 yards for Dalton. In any event, those numbers were not included, though for a more honest appraisal, they probably should have been.



And for this year (both have played 4 games):


                                 Comp %          Yards    Y/A         TD's     TD%     Int.     Int%    Rate     4QC     GWD


Newton                      61.2                 983       7.6          5          3.9        1        0.8        94.6       0           0

Dalton                        64.8                 926       8.6          4          3.7        1        0.9      100.3       1           1



Personally, I am looking forward to seeing what Dalton can do with A.J. Green on the bench, although Green has not been his dominant self this year. As a matter of fact, Panthers rookie Kelvin Benjamin has been arguably just as effective this season with Green averaging 78 yards a game and Benjamin 73 yards per game. 


I say the Panthers find a way to run a little on a suddenly suspect Bengal defense, get just enough pressure to make Dalton uncomfortable and pull out a 20-17 upset on the road.


Enjoy the game everyone !!!

#3010124 Cam v. Luck - The "Build Around" Philosophy

Posted by TonyN on 11 October 2014 - 01:22 PM

  Bottom line--We have the talent to bring us far when things are clicking RIGHT NOW.      





That statement is a doozy.


It's also the truth. If the Panthers can keep a real NFL running back on the field and the defense rounds into form, there is no reason this team can't win and win big NOW.

#3010080 Cam v. Luck - The "Build Around" Philosophy

Posted by TonyN on 11 October 2014 - 12:45 PM

Again different offenses. We like to run out the clock on offense. This doesn't give Cam alot of time to put up alot of points or yards. Another reason is Cam missed a game, and still has almost 1000 passing yards.

Furthermore, the Colts running game may not be great but they're also not 31st in the league like us either. And they can at least run it effectively, like the Eagles game. They don't even try to run it as much as we do and they're still better.



Interesting you should bring that up. Actually the Colts DO try to run more than the Panthers:
The Panthers are passing on 61.41% of their offensive plays this season.
The Colts are passing on 59.35% of their offensive plays this season.
The difference is effeiciency. The Colts have many more passing attempts because they are extending drives and staying on the field. And the Colts are doubly handicapped because they have a bad defense which tends to keep their offense off the field.
They are sticking with the run though, even when it doesn't work. Case in point: Thursday night they averaged 2.7 yards per attempt...dreadful, yet they kept at it, rushing 35 times.
I can just imagine the howls of disapproval that sort of playcalling would elicit from this fanbase.

#3010033 Cam v. Luck - The "Build Around" Philosophy

Posted by TonyN on 11 October 2014 - 12:15 PM

The Colts are leading the NFL in total offense, passing offense and scoring offense and doing it with a bad offensive line.
As poor as Carolina's offensive line has looked at times this season, it can be argued that Indy's has been just as bad. 
The Colts are averaging 3.7 yards per attempt with Bradshaw and Richardson.
The Panthers are averaging 3.6 yards per attempt with Williams and Stewart.
The Colts are giving up 1.5 sacks and 5.5 QB hits per game.
The Panthers are giving up 2.4 sacks and 5.2 QB hits per game.
This is not a one year abberration, either.
Last season the Colts offensive line surrendered 109 QB hits, 3rd most in the entire NFL.
The Colts' starting center, the QB of the offensive line, is an undrafted rookie free agent named Jonotthan Harrison...
No matter what way you slice it, the Colts have a poor offensive line. And yet... 
(I apologize for a mistake in an earlier post. Actually last season the Colts went 5 and 4 against teams with winning records. That's a .56 win percentage. Extrapolated to an entire season, the Colts would have gone 9-7 had they played every game against teams with winning records.) 

#3006641 Sports Illustrated: "A round of applause for Greg Olsen, please."

Posted by TonyN on 08 October 2014 - 10:08 PM

Every once in a while I will check out the Game Day Thread and see a post lamenting Greg Olsen's lack of speed and athleticism. This place never fails to amaze...



NFL Combine Results:
                                                    Greg Olsen                                    Kelvin Benjamin
Height                                                  78                                                77
Weight                                               254                                              240
40 yard dash                                    4.51                                              4.61
225 bench press reps                         23                                                 13
Vertical                                             35.5                                              32.5
Broad                                                114                                               119                                 
3 Cone                                             7.04                                              7.33    
20 Yard Shuttle                                4.48                                              4.39
None of this is a knock on Benjamin, of course. 
There are two truly underrated players on the Carolina roster. Their names are Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen.

#3004731 The guys at Black and Blue Review are as horrified by this NFLN piece as I am

Posted by TonyN on 07 October 2014 - 05:48 PM

Cam Newton will start being discussed as an elite QB as soon as he puts up elite passing numbers.


With rare exceptions, it is raw numbers that get a player catapulted into "elite" status.


As well as he has played this year, his numbers are basically middle of the road or worse.


He is:


14th in NFL passer rating


24th in Total QBR


23rd in completion percentage


15th in yards per game


14th in yards per attempt


And before you play the "terrible offensive line, no run game" card, consider what Phillip Rivers is doing in San Diego. 





#3001956 Mark it down, Carolina wins by 10 or more Sunday

Posted by TonyN on 05 October 2014 - 11:08 PM

I saw a Werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand.... walking through the streets of Soho in the rain. He was looking for a place called Lee Ho Fuks. Gonna get a big dish of beef Chow Mein


His hair was perfect...

#2999444 Official Panthers - Bears Gameday Thread

Posted by TonyN on 05 October 2014 - 02:26 PM

I think I have this figured out...


If a play does NOT work it is Shula's fault.


If a play DOES work, it is because Cam Newton "willed it".

#2994951 NFL QB rankings for 1st quarter

Posted by TonyN on 02 October 2014 - 07:42 PM

The insecurity on this forum regarding Cam Newton is hilarious.


I am not a particularly big Luck fan, but you have to give the kid his due. 


There is not a GM in the league would would take Cam Newton over Andrew Luck at this point in their careers.


They are on different trajectories. 


Cam Newton has thrown for 300+ yards 4 times in his last 47 games.


Andrew Luck has thrown for 300+ yards in 5 of his last 6 games.


As well as Newton has played this year...his stats are basically identical to Brian Hoyer's. 


That's not a knock, its just a fact. 

#2993634 Carolina is allowing 5.7 yards per rush...let's put that into historical...

Posted by TonyN on 01 October 2014 - 09:44 PM

If the season were to end today the Panthers would win the division and be in the playoffs.  Probably the first team to give up 6.4 ypc and get into the playoffs. 


Thats another stat



24 teams have finished the regular season giving up more than 5 yards a carry. 


Surprisingly, 4 actually made the playoffs, the last being the 2012 Colts.


Go figure.

#2977942 How long is the Huddle gonna defend Shula?

Posted by TonyN on 25 September 2014 - 03:22 PM

We've never won a game under Shula in which we've given up more than 20 points. If a team scores 21+ on us, we lose.



Carolina has given up 21+ points TWICE in the regular season since Shula arrived. 


The record??? 0-2


The previous two seasons the Panthers gave up 21+ points 19 times...


The record??? 3-16


This team will go exactly as far as the defense can carry them and no further.


But if the defense is good enough, that could be all the way to the Super Bowl.

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