sponsors can and will pull their support if their bottom line is effected by what one player does or if they feel they don't want to be associated with an organization that is giving that much money to someone who has been found guilty of domestic assault...which is pretty much what the public perception of hardy is and nobody whose money is on the line wants to risk making sponsors unhappy and if we start losing spnsors, the financial value of sponsorships decreases. you can't know that they would be able to continue financially without missing a beat. you can't make everyone happy, but you're damned as an organization if you start losing sponsors/financial support because that stuff can spread like cancer. one drops and others may start to follow suit and while you may have others willing to be sponsors, they may not be willing to pay as much as the ones before them did. in fact i can pretty much guarantee you that point because sponsorships typically go to the highest bidder. one drops out and then you have to settle for the one with the second or third best bid, but now they have a bargaining ship they didn't previously have, which is the absence of someone willing to outbid them. even for sponsorships that aren't bidded on, the value diminshes with less interest or dropped support.
we can and probably would keep going around in circles and i'm too tired to keep it going, but my point would remain this: agree with it or not....like it or not...there is likely a lot more factoring into their decision what to do with hardy than "does hardy help win games".
and to your point about hardy helping win games, he absolutely does, but this past week we found that our defense can adjust to life without him by beating/dominating a pretty stinking good offense. if we can continue to do that, then that in itself brings into question whether or not he's worth the $10mil a year we would likely be signing him to and before you start debating that same argument in regards to say cam or kuechly, i would say that hardy is absolutely not as crucial to this team as either one of those two guys are. but then you add in the drama that is apparently surrounding hardy and it makes the decision to give him that much money that much harder.
i understand where you are coming from, but i also understand that there is more to factor into it than just "does hardy help us win?".
Hardy isnt going to make sponsors drop. There isn't a video of him hitting her. There aren't pictures of the damage he might have done for the world to see. It's his word versus hers. And if you are outside the Carolina market you hardly know who hardy is let alone care anymore at this point.
With the amount you've written in this thread about it I can see what you are pulling even if you don't admit to it which is fine but don't say the decision won't come down to football at the very because it will.
Ravens were ready to stand behind rice the whole way until that second video dropped. He is no where as good to them as hardy is to us.
off field issues can upset sponsors and that can mean less money. they have to factor that i to the equation. they also have to factor in the effect certain players have on the atmosphere in the lockerroom (which can effect wins and losses) and also their financial investment in players and what they do off field can have a negative effect on that investment. anytime off field activities effects a players ability to perform on the field (which effects the wins and losses), it effects their investment. they don't have to put a protective bubble over their players, but it is reasonable that they draw a line as to what is acceptable. if they feel like his off field life will effect his ability to perform, then they have to question whether or not the investment in them is worth it.
right now, you can make a solid argument that our investment in him this year was not worthwhile because things going on in his life interfered. even if he didn't assault that girl and it was just an accusation made by some crazy drugged out woman, you have to question his judgement in those he chooses to be with and the effect it can have on him. that's not to say he can't be friends or relations with whoever he wants, but it has to be realized that he wouldn't be in this situation were it not for his relationship with her and his activites outside the stadium. if he doesn't change his circle of people, or at least some of them, you have to wonder if there might be other incidents he gets stuck in the middle of might effect his ability to perform.
The panthers are worth a billion dollars. The nfl is worth billions of dollars. Sponsors won't pull regardless. To much money for them at stake and they know if they drop there will be a line forming from our companies to take their place not one second after it happens. Which brings it back to football and wins. Hardy helps us win.
it's the degree of the headache that is speculative. they, as an organization have to have some standards for themselves beyond performance. as a fan (short for fanatic) you/we may not agree, but that's probably because we are not looking at it from any other perspective than the wins and losses at the end of the season. from an organizational standpoint they have to look at a much bigger picture than we tend to do and act/base decisions on more information than we have.
basically our bottom line is not theirs nor is our rationale for decision making thiers.
Their bottom line is wins. Listen to any coach gm or owner and that's what they will tell you.
Football decisions. Wins on the field. That's what matters to them. More wins means more money.
You want to say you're the best team? Earn it by beating the best. If you can't, then you're not.
Would rather have a W without facing green than a L with him in the line up. All that matters is making it to February. Beating teams in the regular season means nothing if you don't win it all. Means to an end.
i think you have a point and the current situation, whether or not he was actually guilty or not, was probably the straw that broke that camel's back.
this by far isn't the first time that his off field life has threatened his playing time. he has chosen a very risky lifestyle and surrounds himself with people like this girl who is at the center of the story who is allegedly(?) someone who who uses a good bit of drugs. re:hardy, though, remember that pic he posted showing the speedometer of his motorcycle? or that table at he club covered with shot glasses or whatever it was? and there's probably a lot more than that which we haven't seen that PR guys have probably either covered up or otherwise kept from the public.
now he has a right to whatever lifestyle he wants, but remember that this is a business in which the players get massive amounts of money and hardy is due for probably $10+mil a year. keep in mind that many companies in many industries will either suspend or terminate the employment of people who get into trouble even if they are on their own time. the reason is they don't want stuff coming back on them and they don't want to put their own money into someone whose life can negatively affect their performance. you may not like that, but it's their money and their company and they have a right to protect themselves from employees who's outside life can have a negative impact on the organization.
i don't for a moment believe that the panthers expect their players to be perfect angels. i knwo they know a good number of their players like to party and take part in some rather risky outside moments and situations, but you have to also know that they have a limit to what they will put up with and it very well could be that hardy reached his.
one thing to also consider, media scrutiny effects sponsors which the panthers, just like any professional sports organization, depends on for their survival. they also have investors that they depend on and and have to keep happy. if sponsors that help keep this team afloat financially start pulling the plug because of a public backlash, those whose money is wrapped up in the team/organization will understandably want to protect their pocketbook.
there are a couple players that i feel like the panthers depend on for their success...and by a couple i mean two, that being cam and keek. aside from those two (and anderson may challenge this idea), we need those two if we have any hope of playing in the post season. aside from those two, all players on the team are replaceable, imo. it may take a little time for them to adjust and find someone to step up, but for the most part the team should be able to adjust to the absence ofany one or two players on the team.
the team can and will go on without hardy, whether just a couple more weeks or the rest of the season or forever and ever, amen.
going back to hardy's situation, i don't think we know the whole story. that's probably pretty obvious. i also think that the team may he privy to a whole lot more information than we are and that may be something that factors into the decision whether or not hardy plays again. they may know some things that tells them they don't want to continue their relationship with hardy, but won't share that with the public for hardy's sake (or just to protect themselves from future lawsuits...take your pick).
they may feel that prior to this incident, one year giving him $13mil or whatever is fine, but investing much more than that over a much longer period of time wasn't in their best interest as an organization. you can debate whether or not they should factor off field stuff into the equation, but it's not your millions of dollars on the line.
now i have no dog in this fight. i'm not a company man who tows the company line no matter what they do. i disagree plenty with what the orgainzation does. i didn't like franchising hardy to begin with, but that had nothing to do with his off field stuff and everything to do with not wanting to have 20% of the cap spent on two players at one position.
i don't know if hardy is innocent or guilty and i don't really care one way or the other. if he's a panther i'll be cheering for him and if he's not, he's just another guy.
the point of the above was just to provide some perspective on things from the organizational side of things. you don't have to agree with them, but i think their position on things should be understood and maybe even respected.
All his lifestyle business is speculation. Guarantee you they will only be asking one question when looking to play him or sign him long term. Is he good enough to help win games were we can put up with the headache? The answer is yes.
I think he plays and I also think he stays a panther after this year. CJ is too old and too expensive. Hardy is in his prime and his deal can be worked to better fit us.
He'll probably be found innocent due to lack of evidence and that will be the last of that.
Not really. Keeping a ferrari at 100 isn't as hard on the engine as stop and go city driving.
Your theory, destroyed.
This offense ain't no Ferrari I'll tell you that much. With this oline it's more like a old tricked out Honda civic. It can go fast if you want but your always afraid it will break and leave you on the side of the road
the domestic abuse thing has very little/nothing to do with my feelings on whether or not hardy should have been tagged.
i don't think it was the right call because that was way too much money being spent on one position and i felt from the beginning that it would come back to bite us in the ass more than letting him go would. hardy and johnson take up 21% of the total cap and 50% of cap used on the defense.
adding to that, he has an overly risky lifeztyle that he refuses to get under control that the organization has to be getting tired of and it was only a matter of time before it bit him in the ass. i mean the guy has a right to live how he wants, but the panthers don't have to be pying for it. there's several things that he had done which would have resulted in a firing from many corporations, but we were going to give him $15mil for another year of it. granted the chances of us signing him to a long term deal were virtually nil i think largely because of those two reasons, but i stillthink the hard but better decision would have been to let him walk and improve at least the OL.
If the rice video never leaks he plays and gets paid the 13 he earned as a top pro bowl de.
Only looks worse than it actually was because he has to sit of some trumped up media bs.
We tagged hardy before his legal troubles and before post ray rice NFL. If that video never leaked hardy would have been playing the whole season. Don't blame dg for that. It was the right move at the time.
Everyone loves to look back and say they were calling for one thing when that move only looks good now because of poo that happened which no one could foresee happening
I would like to see more quick short passes to help the fact we have no run game. We need to see show philly/avant quick slants to get us away from having 3rd and long options. Make the offense more up tempo. We saw cam kill it in a faster paced offense against Detroit. I think that would go along way to make up for the poor oline play