at the end of last year MHS was saying "yes Cam is a franchise qb and he is on his way to being elite, i was wrong"
fast forward this year we got so bad on the offensive line, stripped all rapport with recievers minus olsen, ankle surgery, dumb fluke rib injury and all of a sudden we don't have a franchise qb when Cam in his 4th year is still growing and learning as a QB....uh dude this is fuging normal. Peyton fuging manning who you love to compare Cam to was poo his 4th year throwing 28 picks.
1. he WAS killing it from the pocket in the first six games when he was not "unleashed" PFF is your friend and so are your eyes.
2. I'm more afraid of Cam getting absolutely blindsided then i am him taking off and running where he can protect himself better. that may change if we get some competency on the line.
3. you are asking a 4th year player to make others better around him. That is rare. in fact i can't think of one qb in the history of the nfl who performed like a vet Tom Brady.
you need to be realistic. We don't want to overpay but we don't wanna short change and lose out on something that could be incredible or at the very least make us competitive year in and year out. Cam does that.
We have to hit on draft picks and be smart with our money. 120 million is a bogus number the report was a matt Ryan type of deal
I disagree. Newton has been 100% healthy for most of his career. He has had decent lines and decent weapons. He has had some great games, and some games where he should have been pulled. He is inconsistent because he has no identity as a QB and his mechanics are terrible while his athleticism is incredible. I am not impressed by a qb leading his team in rushing. I am not impressed by a qb holding the ball for 5 seconds and taking a sack. I am impressed with his arm, his size, and his charisma. He has the tools. He is not there yet. If you have to make excuses for him, you are not either.
Tell me, do we have to build a great team around Cam to make him great, or is it the other way around? I told you before that Ian Rappaport reported that Cam's camp wanted him to be paid like an elite qb. I even shared the link with you. Now you are saying I am the only one saying $120m. How much do you think elite QBs make? You missed the point again.
Here is my point, but many on here have to make it black and white to understand it. We don't know how good he can be. While a QB like Andrew Luck makes everyone around him better, evidenced by taking a 2-14 team to three straight 10+ seasons, Cam faithful claim that Cam needs talent around him to step up., Just because you claim that he has no talent around him, that does not mean he will be great when he does. In fact, the paradox is this--if that is the case, how good is he?
This is a cyclical argument and I don't care that you are determined to get me to see your "logic." I don't buy it. Against New Orleans, Cam was terrific--elite, in fact. However, to reach that level of play, he had to run. Remember when he was hit and we all thought he wasn't getting up? He got up smiling. Still, he is already--at age 25--started showing the signs of the beating he has taken. Cam needs to learn to stay in the pocket if he is to survive. There is no way I pay him elite money if he has to run and be surrounded by superior talent to win. The math is simple.
there are so many factual errors (not opinions, but facts) that are wrong in this post i don't even know where to start.