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#1968232 Let me get this straight

Posted by ladypanther on 28 October 2012 - 04:02 PM

Cam passer rating 57. Neither int was his fault. But 20 of 39 is not getting the job done, IMO.

#1968178 Major Changes.

Posted by ladypanther on 28 October 2012 - 03:58 PM

If RR is fired, I think you promote Shula....he has experience as a head coach...college, but still. Would not give it to Chud or McD.

It would surprise me if Rivera is fired. But then Hurney after the last game surprised me.

#1967928 Major Changes.

Posted by ladypanther on 28 October 2012 - 03:33 PM

I do not have a prob with not going for the 51 yd FG. Likely decision was made based on warmups. I do have a prob with the lack of pressure on Cutler in the 2nd half and not stopping the same play run over and over.

#1966276 Mort said Richardson did not want Rivera

Posted by ladypanther on 28 October 2012 - 10:08 AM

.....and said that is the reason Hurney was fired. He actual words were that Richardson had reservations about Rivera.

Wonder who JR liked?

Rivera will have to pull off a miracle to keep his job.

#1966010 I hope Chud is not watching Notre Dame right now!

Posted by ladypanther on 27 October 2012 - 09:18 PM

I am sure the expectations for Chud's game plan and play calling have be made very clear to him. He prolly isn't allowed to watch a college game for the rest of the season.

#1964847 D-Will on trading block?

Posted by ladypanther on 26 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

I am for getting a coach who knows how to use the Panthers backfield.

#1962216 Khan/Cowher a Package Deal?

Posted by ladypanther on 24 October 2012 - 10:15 PM

Not sure about Cowher either, but ask 100 Panthers fans if they would take the record described above and run with it, and 95 would say "hell yes" (I'd be one of them).

1 SB win in 15 years. 2 appearances. I think we want better than that. remember....did not even make the playoffs in year 15 after SB win.

I don't want the Panthers just to be better than the past.....I want them to be very good, sometimes great. I want a team who wins the SB and does not fall off the cliff the next year.

So, like I said....Cowher, based on his record is ok. I am hoping for better.

#1960572 Panthers expected to hire outside consultant to run GM search

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 10:17 PM

And I'm friendly as well. I was not pwned... Do you even know what that means? Or were you just excited that someone used a "hip" term and your name in the same sentence?

Wow. I am disappointed that you were so condescending. Thought you knew me better than that.

#1960534 Fair criticism of Cam.....but

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 09:54 PM

A few things to think about...

If you watched the whole presser, Cam's comments about the script came immediately after he talked about his play needing to improve and the losses from a play here or there. I did not get the sense that his comments were directed at Chud anymore than at himself.

Next, please consider that in the last 24 hours we have heard direct quotes from the ex-GM and our current head coach that they don't know what's wrong and aren't sure how to fix it. In spite of that, our 23 year old, 2nd year QB is supposed to go in front of the press and diplomatically tell them what's wrong while exhibiting perfect emotional control.

So no, I don't think the criticism is fair in any way.

Cam did talk about his failures. But, as much as I hate to admit it....when he loses...he is moping....and I am sorry, it almost seems like he feels like he is a victim. He also mentioned the coordinator in this presser......a big NONO. Cam is not a rookie anymore. He needs to man up. He comes across as self centered with his ridiculous Superman celebrations when he scores. His losing sulking is getting old. Someone needs to grow a pair and be straight with Cam. If I need to be the one...someone hook me up.

#1960499 Panthers expected to hire outside consultant to run GM search

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 09:34 PM

If you'd like to elaborate on what you don't understand about what I said, I'd be more than happy to explain it to you.

Seeking outside expert opinion does not mean that you have no idea what is going on. It means you are mature enough to get all the info and opinions you can to make the best possible decision.

#1960493 So.....my follow-up thoughts

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 09:30 PM

I said the Dallas game would be big and that I would reserve my opinion until after that game. So, what I saw.....................

The D looked better than I thought. They only had 1 bad drive. Not bad considering our secondary. I do wish they would have sacked Romo a few times.... And, the bend but don't break, gives me PTSD flashbacks.

Thomas Davis.....how amazing is he? How could he not be the comeback player of the year, even at this point?

Luke/Beason. We have a nice prob there. I believe Beason has been playing hurt all season. Can't judge his performance on that.....but.....he has got to get healthy. (It seems he hurt the team by playing injured....am sure what not he wanted). Hope the Panthers can find a way to get a healthy Beason and Keek in the game. That, with and amazing Davis......................

Offense....well there were some adjustments. To my liking, Cam seemed to get rid of the ball more quickly...the read option pass was nice. However, the other adjustment....to decide that the read option was not the problem, but that DWill was. I cannot imagine how they/someone came to that conclusion.

It is sadly amusing to remember how upset we were when Chud was getting HC interviews. I would be shocked if Rivera, a D coach, has been telling Chud what to run. My guess is that he trusted Chud, who seemed so successful last year. However, Rivera should have given orders to change this course before now. Was hoping the Dallas game would have been the change/revelation.

As a leader, I like what Rivera said early on. But I am wondering that he has not lead with the players where it is needed the most. It seems he has coddled Cam, who is utra talented but very self centered and immature. He needs direction rather than kid gloves. Rivera should have banned everyone from those ridiculous endzone celebrations. I think this team should have character...and when they score....be mature and act like they have been there before.

So, the Hurney firing. Shocking....considering how close he seemed to be to JR. But then, JR did fire his sons. JR trusted Hurney with his team, and he let him down. I do believe JR wants to see his team win a SB. Given his health history, there has got to be a sense of urgency. I also think he is sincerely disappointed he has not gotten this done, given his promise in the beginning. Despite what many here think.....I do not believe it is all about money.

Going forward. The Bears are not as good as their record. The Panthers could be better than their record with a decent plan. The coaches should have been in panic mode during the bye week. (Panic mode=quit being stupid) Did not see results. Hope JR told Rivera to stop that read option crap. If he did not...hope Rivera figured it out. If not, I doubt the firings ended with Hurney, rather, they just began.

#1960424 Panthers expected to hire outside consultant to run GM search

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 08:33 PM

At least there's news on it now... I mean, to me it appears as though JR is serious about getting things turned around... But at the same time, it's almost an admission that he has no fuggin idea what's wrong with his own club...

This isn't good imo

I just cannot understand that kind of thinking.

#1960214 Fair criticism of Cam.....but

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 06:45 PM

This article also assumes Cam's post game presser influenced JR to fire Hurney. That is crazy.

If Cam Newton is wise, he'll take the following suggestion:
Shut your mouth and do your job. Popping off the way you did Sunday likely helped cost general manager Marty Hurney his job and, ultimately, that's not a good thing for Newton.

Whether Newton's statements following the Carolina Panthers' 19-14 loss to the Dallas Cowboys directly led to Hurney's dismissal Monday can only be answered by owner Jerry Richardson. However, it's hard not to draw the conclusion publicly that Newton's comments factored into Hurney's ouster.
While there's plenty of fair criticism that can be lobbed Hurney's way following Carolina's 1-5 start, it's still a stunning reaction in light that Hurney helped bring a franchise quarterback to a team that has never really had one just 18 months ago.
Theoretically, Hurney and second-year coach Ron Rivera should have been in the process of executing a plan to build around Newton for years to come. But when the quarterback starts ranting about opening a "suggestion box" and undercuts his coaching staff with complaints about the "script," it's obvious that the group is anything but in marching formation. Instead, Newton has intercepted the baton and started leading the band in his own direction.
That's not good, particularly when Newton has the emotional leadership ability of a fifth-grader.
Let's make one thing clear: Cam Newton is the most important person in the rebuilding of the Carolina Panthers. He is a stunning talent and a guy who has already proven at the college level that he can carry a team on his back (check how quickly Auburn has fallen since he left).
Still, Newton has much to learn at the NFL level and that starts with his attitude. On Sunday, as highlights of his latest post-loss media session were played, CBS analysts Dan Marino and Boomer Esiason (two guys who have forgotten more about quarterbacking in the NFL than Newton knows) kept chanting, "You have to keep it positive."
That's not a plea for Pollyanna. Rather, it's a push for moderation. In the face of frustration, Newton needs to persevere, not throw people under the bus. That's exactly what his comments did on Sunday and Richardson obliged by getting rid of Hurney.
To wit, Newton said Sunday: "The past couple of games have been the same script, by the same director," Newton said. "It's kind of getting boring."
He went on:
"This taste, this vibe – I'm not buying it, man. And I don't know what it is, but something's going to have to change. Something's going to have to change real fast. … We just find a way to keep the game close just to see what happens at the end," Newton said. "I'm getting tired of it, and that's not a formula to win. Domination is a formula to win."
And then Newton offered an idea.
"I'm going to bring in a suggestion box," Newton said. "And I want your suggestions in that suggestion box, because I sure don't know. I really don't."
While there is nothing wrong with letting out frustration, Newton hasn't learned that you do that in private. You don't undercut your team in public. It's tawdry and juvenile. It doesn't speak to true leadership.
Again, this is not some full endorsement of Hurney. Over the past five years, Hurney has made his share of mistakes. The latest was reportedly paying $48.2 million in guarantees for three running backs (Carolina signed Mike Tolbert as a free agent and extending Jonathan Stewart's contract this year after paying DeAngelo Williams in 2011). None of those backs has turned out to be worth the money in a league that has steadily de-emphasized the position.
But when it came to doing the single-most important thing a GM can do – finding a quarterback – Hurney appeared to have hit big a year ago with Newton. Despite Newton's myriad of mistakes thus far (he has nine turnovers in six games, including two Sunday), he is still a dynamic talent.
At least that's how Hurney and many other people see it. The question now is whether the next GM will agree with that assessment. What Newton has done by undercutting those around him has been to open the door for a new set of eyes.
Whoever those eyes belong to may not see Newton as the hard worker that so many people in the organization believe he is. Whoever succeeds Hurney may not have much patience for Newton's post-loss histrionics.
In other words, be careful when you open the suggestion box. You might not like what people suggest.


Cam does need to grow up and be a lot less self centered. He needs to man up, quit moping, and be a true team player.

#1960171 Holmgren said he will not rule out coaching again

Posted by ladypanther on 23 October 2012 - 06:20 PM

No thanks.

#1958041 So a friend of mine killed himself...

Posted by ladypanther on 22 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

Suicide is perplexing. At least to me anyway. The person who takes their own life is incredibly brave and selfish at the same time. Those who suffer the most are the ones left to deal with the after math. No doubt your friends life didn't end when he decided to take it here on earth. You will catch up with him in another life. It's just hard for people to let go.

My older brother went to Walmart one morning, leaving with a box of .38 shells. He then went to the pawn shop asking to see a .38 chambered revolver. When he was given it he tried to load it. The guy working attempted to grab it, screaming "what are you doing"? My brother ran outside, with the gun and ammo in hand, to a near by alley. That's where he was found, still alive but barely. We didn't know at first what the fug happened. Took a day or two before we pieced everything together. He died 3 days later.

While your friend may no longer be here in the traditional sense, he is far from gone. When you see him again you can punch him in the nuts then hug him once again.

Very sorry to hear that and sorry for the loss of your brother.

I have worked with people who have survived what they meant as a fatal suicide attempt. What I have learned from them is that, when they got to that point, they truly felt that others would be better off without them. Not true, of course, but they could not connect with that. I am sorry for your brother's pain, and now the pain you and others have to carry.

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