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#2800222 PFF: Kuechly among NFL's most overrated.

Posted by gettlemanjack on 26 May 2014 - 10:52 AM

if PFF thinks Luke is overrated, they don't think he is overrated by much. 12 days ago, PPF released their top 101 of 2013 and they ended up having TD as the 2nd best 4-3 OLB and Luke as the 2nd best 4-3 MLB in the world...

4-3 OLB
1. Lavonte David (2013 All-Pro)
2. Thomas Davis
3. Brian Orakpo (2013 Pro Bowl)
4. Vontaze Burfict (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

OLB (both 3-4 and 4-3)
1. Lavonte David 4-3 (2013 All-Pro)
2. Robert Mathis 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)
3. Justin Houston 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl)
4. Thomas Davis 4-3
5. Tamba Hali 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)
6. Aldon Smith 3-4
7. Von Miller 3-4
8. Elvis Dumervil 3-4
9. Brian Orakpo 4-3 (2013 Pro Bowl)
10. Vontaze Burfict 4-3 (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)
11. Trent Cole 3-4
NR Terrell Suggs 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl)
NR John Abraham 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl)
NR Ahmad Brooks 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

4-3 MLB
1. Stephen Tulloch
2. Luke Kuechly (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)
NR Paul Posluszny (2013 Pro Bowl)

ILB (both 3-4 and 4-3)
1. Patrick Willis 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl)
2. NaVorro Bowman 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)
3. Karlos Dansby 3-4 (2013 2ndT All-Pro)
4. Stephen Tulloch 4-3
5. Derrick Johnson 3-4 (2013 Pro Bowl)
6. Luke Kuechly 4-3 (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)
NR Paul Posluszny 4-3 (2013 Pro Bowl)


#2799001 Proehl on 1st visit with Kelvin Benjamin: "I was in awe to be honest"

Posted by gettlemanjack on 24 May 2014 - 12:27 PM

Proehl on his first visit with KB when scouting WR prospects:

"I was in awe to be honest with you."
"A guy his size and the way he just caught the ball ... just natural, just like a vacuum," Proehl said.

Proehl on KB at the rookie weekend camp:

"You look at him, if he can grow and develop into the receiver I think he can be, he's going to a huge asset for Cam," Proehl said

Proehl tweeted this pic and wrote: 'Young Buc has game'

Benjamin's leaping catch over the middle with two defenders all over him near the end of Saturday's rookie camp left everyone in awe.
"That's what he brings," Proehl said. "He can make great catches like that because of his size. A normal person is not going to make that catch. With his reach, he's probably 11 feet, 12 feet in the air making that catch.
"Other guys may not have an opportunity to touch the ball, let alone catch it."

ESPN beat writer for Panthers, Dave Newton:
"I believe Benjamin will be better than Smith was going to be at 35. If not, follow Proehl on Twitter before next year's draft as he seeks more talent.
All you had to do was follow the Twitter timeline of Carolina Panthers wide receivers coach Ricky Proehl if you wanted to know where the best receivers in the country were before the NFL draft" (shows list of dates and the WRs Proehl visited starting with Cooks, ending with KB, with Lee,
Latimer, Matthews, Adams, Beckham, Landry, Herron, etc in between)


#2798943 That #2 TE spot.

Posted by gettlemanjack on 24 May 2014 - 11:01 AM

panthers.com, Mar 3, 2014

"Given Williams' raw potential combined with his imposing physical stature, he's drawn comparisons to Denver Broncos tight end Julius Thomas. Thomas, a standout basketball player at Portland State who played one season of college football, caught just one pass his first two NFL seasons before exploding for 12 touchdowns catches this past year."

#2798934 That #2 TE spot.

Posted by gettlemanjack on 24 May 2014 - 10:54 AM

Gettleman addressed this on his ESPN 730 interview this week. per the summary from Huddlers:

Hosts brings up Tight Ends. Greg is important and wasn't going anywhere. WR heavy draft and free agency. Eludes that having Greg gives Cam familiarity with all the changes at WR. Brandon Williams is really coming on, they feel he will become a vertical threat this year. Some of the young wideouts they feel good enough about to take the approach they did.

host asked: How much comfort did you have with Olsen already on the roster and the signing of Dickson?
Absolutely, Greg's an important staple in the passing attack, he wasn't not going anywhere. It was not only a wr heavy draft, it was a wr heavy free agency. We think Brandon Williams is going to be a vertical threat this year as he is really coming on. We felt good about our approach and filling in through the draft.

Biggest nugget of the whole thing and fieryprophet will love this is......"We expect Brandon Williams to be a vertical threat for us this year"

#2798131 Kelvin Benjamin first WR Panthers have taken in 1st R in 17 years

Posted by gettlemanjack on 23 May 2014 - 01:04 PM

Math isn't your strongest subject, eh?

Cam was 7 going on 8. His birthday was right after the 1997 draft.

May 11 , 1989 - Cam was born
May 11 , 1990 - Cam turned 1
May 11 , 1991 - Cam turned 2
May 11 , 1992 - Cam turned 3
May 11 , 1993 - Cam turned 4
May 11 , 1994 - Cam turned 5
May 11 , 1995 - Cam turned 6
May 11 , 1996 - Cam turned 7
April 19, 1997 - 1997 Draft (took WR Rae Carruth)
May 11 , 1997 - Cam turned 8

#2798120 Kelvin Benjamin first WR Panthers have taken in 1st R in 17 years

Posted by gettlemanjack on 23 May 2014 - 12:51 PM

Damn, I feel old.

Cam was 7 yrs old last time we took a WR in the 1st R

#2798105 Kelvin Benjamin first WR Panthers have taken in 1st R in 17 years

Posted by gettlemanjack on 23 May 2014 - 12:31 PM

saw it in article and hadn't thought of before so thought was interesting. Also brings extra meaning to how Gettleman said "I'm sure Cam is not mad at me now," after taking KB in the 1st R

17 years of NFL drafts had gone by before we selected our last WR in the 1st Round, and he was the only WR we took in the first round in team history before now. Coming into the 2014 draft, these are the positions we had taken in the 1st Round...

2 - QB (Kerry Collins, Cam Newton)

1 - WR (Rae Carruth, 1997)

3 - RB (DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Tshimanga Biakabutuka)

3 - OT (Jordan Gross, Blake Brockermeyer, Jeff Otah)

2 - DE (Julius Peppers, Jason Peter)

1 - DT (Star Lotulelei)

4 - LB (Dan Morgan, Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, Luke Kuechly)

3 - CB (Chris Gamble, Tyrone Poole, Rashard Anderson)

#2798042 Manziel Not Impressing

Posted by gettlemanjack on 23 May 2014 - 11:33 AM

Browns #1 QB Brian Axel Hoyer (son of Axel Hoyer), had this reaction when the Browns drafted Manziel: a three-word text message to general manager Ray Farmer: "Bring it on."

Hoyer was 2-time honorable mention All-Big Ten and #3 in Michigan State history in career passing yards before being signed by the Patriots and spending three years training under Tom Brady (2009-2011)

#2797085 G-man picked Gaffney because he's smart & tough (read Newton's la...

Posted by gettlemanjack on 22 May 2014 - 12:24 PM

Gaffney reminds me of Jacob Hester, LSU's feature back (and team captain) that led them to their National Championship in 2007. Both are smart, tough, healthy as a horse, great at picking up blitzes, great at finding the hole, have good hands/are good at catching out of the backfield, not super special but able to contribute.

compare their measureables:

Hester 5-11/226, 1.50 ten yard dash, 09'08" broad jump, 23 bench reps

Gaffney 6-0/220, 1.51 ten yard dash, 09'08" broad jump, 15 bench reps

Hester was drafted 3rd R, Pick 6, #69 overall in 2008, ahead of Mike Tolbert (UDFA) and the Vikings' 2012 All-Pro/2012 Pro Bowl FB Jerome Felton (5th Round)

Hester was also drafted ahead of Jamaal Charles (#73 overall), Peyton Hillis (7th R), BenJarvus Green-Ellis (UDFA), etc

Hester made the 53-man roster for 5 straight years in the NFL (4 yrs with Chargers, then division rivals Broncos signed him for a year). Since he turned 28, Hester hasn't found a team that wanted him and was out of the league last year. Now 29, he tried out at the Saints rookie camp last weekend, but they didn't sign him...

"He's one of those veteran players that's here on a three-day workout," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "He's smart. He's very instinctive. You can see that. He makes good decisions."
"Everywhere he's been, he's been a niche player," Payton said. "He's certainly a niche-type player."

Saints RB coach said:
"You see (Hester's) intelligence and you see his ability ... We'll continue to measure that, to monitor his growth. But we're pleased with his work right now."

Jacob Hester gets a congratulations from coach John Fox


#2796148 Manziel Not Impressing

Posted by gettlemanjack on 21 May 2014 - 05:57 PM

I've never seen a team draft a guy that they appeared to have a vendetta against from the start. It's almost like they said "yeah let's draft this guy and show him that he's not as good as he thinks he is."

the story behind why the Browns decided to trade up to draft Manziel in the first place is pretty bizarre:

Browns quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains said:
"We're sitting there and they keep showing Johnny on T.V. and Johnny and I are texting and he shoots me a text and he says, 'I wish you guys would come get me. Hurry up and draft me"

"When I got that text, I forwarded it to the owner and to the head coach (Mike Pettine)''
"I'm like 'this guy wants to be here. He wants to be part of it.' As soon as that happened, Mr. Haslam (the owner) said, 'pull the trigger. We're trading up to go get this guy.'''
"We knew we had to get in front of the Chiefs (at No. 23) because we knew they would draft him.''

A source told the Cleveland newspaper that Loggains never meant to make it sound like (owner Jimmy) Haslam made the pick instead of general manager Ray Farmer. "Farmer definitely made the call,'' the source said.

And (owner Jimmy) Haslam said on Monday:
"Ray's the one that picked Johnny Manziel," Haslam told the Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon club on Monday.
"That was solely Ray's call, not my call." He added that although "Ray gets a lot of input, Ray's the one that decided to make the trade, Ray's the one that picked Johnny Manziel, Ray's the one that made those calls ... I want to make that very clear.''

#2795948 Dave Gettleman on XM NFL Radio (link to audio)

Posted by gettlemanjack on 21 May 2014 - 03:44 PM

can't listen. care to share what he said?

it was a very laid back, short interview where they just threw him a few softballs and didn't ask him much

they asked him about KB's work ethic concerns (I didn't realize he had any), and Gettleman said Proehl spent a day with him, had dinner with him, and did board work with him. And KB was one of the 30 we had in for a visit, Gettleman said he spent an hour with KB and from "his instincts," he had a good feeling with KB. Said with all the time between the combine and the draft, that the kids in the draft unfairly get racked through the coals, have their issues overblown and overscrutinized

they asked him who KB compared to, and asked if he compared to Brandon Marshall. Gettleman said he reminds him of a young Plaxico, said he needs refining like all the first round picks, that he thinks the guy the Giants got, Odell Beckham, was the best route runner of the first round picks. He said KB made some "O. M. G. catches" at rookie camp (remember from another thread, Gettleman almost had a heart attack when he saw KB come down with one of the catches)

they asked him about the cap situation, and he said we have a cap guy for that, and that he "does a really great job." He said his name, but I forget it

what they didn't ask was questions like:
who were the guy(s) you wanted to get in the 1st R? were you interested in trading up for anybody? were you interested in trading back for more picks at all? Was KB the guy you knew would be there at 28 and you wanted to take at 28 all along? were there any other players that you or your staff were considering at 28 besides KB? if KB hadn't been there, who would you have picked at 28? With the retirement of Gross, why didn't you take an OT with any of your draft picks? Did you like the guys on your roster better than any of the prospects? which OTs did you have graded the highest in the draft and what grades did you have on them, etc? What issues did you have with them? who are your projected starters on OL? do you hope to add any more OL when other teams start making there cuts? or adding one of the currently unsigned veteran free agent OTs out there? What is the plan with Kony Ealy? You have Hardy and CJ, two of the 3 highest paid DEs in football, do you have a plan for their future, or are you just playing it by ear? How do you feel the 2014 Panthers compare to the 2013 Panthers? How do you feel the new 2014 WRs compare to the WRs you had in 2013? what about the new guys in the secondary? how do you feel they compare to the 2013 secondary? etc

#2795761 St. Louis Rams Claim Former Panther Travis Bond

Posted by gettlemanjack on 21 May 2014 - 01:13 PM

comments on Rams forum on getting Travis Bond...

-freaking beautiful. I love this, I was hoping we drafted more OL in the draft, but that didn't happen. Now we beefin up the depth, good crap Rams. I really like this.

-Damn, 35 1/2" arms, nice. Played RT at UNC I believe and OG so far in the NFL so has the versatility they like. Boudreau might just turn this kid into a beast.

-I'm glad that we got this guy off of waivers. He's a good prospect coming from a school known for producing offensive linemen. Has the size and length for tackle, but has played guard primarily. I like him more than Washington or Person, that's for damned sure.

-I love this signing for both the depth and because I think this is a guy that Boudreau will coach into something special. This team gets nastier by the minute.

-I wouldn't get too excited by him yet. Not being able to crack that depth chart over there isn't exactly a nice calling card. Did some reading on Panther boards and it seemed he was well liked by the org as OT and some felt that maybe the team decided he didn't have the feet for it. They replaced him with a giant french canadian, btw, so the thread was pretty funny.

#2795734 St. Louis Rams Claim Former Panther Travis Bond

Posted by gettlemanjack on 21 May 2014 - 12:53 PM

I love the NBC headline: "Rams awarded Travis Bond on waivers from Carolina"

from the comments: "They also threw in a tackling dummy and a few practice balls."

#2794220 Kawann Shorts visits East Chicago Children

Posted by gettlemanjack on 20 May 2014 - 12:50 PM

Indiana newspaper:

"Purdue's Kawann Short wasn't about to break a graduation promise to his mother.
his mother wanted to see him graduate, and the last thing he wanted to do was disappoint her. That pretty much ensured he wouldn't give up his senior year to enter the NFL draft.
“She said, 'I can't wait to see you walk across that stage.' I said, 'Anything to make you happy.' That was my No. 1 goal.”
“He kept a promise to his mother and I really admire that about him,” (Purdue coach Danny) Hope said.
(Short said:) “I have to be that guy everybody depends on. I have to set a good example of being that best role model and the best big brother anybody could have. Not let things get to me. Stay out of trouble. Basically, stay humble"

#2793977 PFF's Carolina Panthers Secret Superstar: Kawann Short

Posted by gettlemanjack on 20 May 2014 - 09:49 AM

what makes it even better is that the Saints didn't re-sign their starter at C for the last three seasons, leaving them with Tim Lelito, an UDFA OG out of D2 entering his second year in the NFL and switching to C. He was their back-up RG as a rookie last year

(Saints also have a 3rd Round OT out of D2 entering his 2nd year as their starting LT. Per Rotoworld: "Armstead..appeared in four games as a rookie -- including the playoffs. He was dominated by Greg Hardy in his debut")

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