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In Topic: 12-year-old in Cleveland with a BB gun shot by cop

Today, 02:01 AM

I suspect most cops pay more attention to the motion than what's in the hand. If someone is "drawing" or "aiming", I doubt someone would have time to look down, determine what was in the hand, re-aquire the target, draw and fire if necessary before the other person could finish their action, no matter their level of training. If you think it's easy to do, try having someone at home do the same with a random object. I'm not defending cops, but I don't always think it's fair to call them stupid because they overreact in hindsight. It takes a quarter second to process movement, and if they are wrong about what it is, they could very easily be dead.



I'm not calling cops stupid (I'm about to finish rookie school...), I'm saying SOME are. In this instance, if it was a quick movement, then I guess I understand it more. If it was just a slow, deliberate movement of a banana he had in his hand, then no processing is needed. You can make that out pretty quickly. That's what I was getting at.


In Topic: 12-year-old in Cleveland with a BB gun shot by cop

Today, 12:35 AM




Just goes to show, being a cop doesn't necessarily mean you're especially smart or good at your job. I've never seen a gun in any color other than silver, black, and pink. Could one be yellow? Sure. But I think any reasonable individual could tell a banana-shaped object from a gun-shaped object.

WT-actual-F?


In Topic: 12-year-old in Cleveland with a BB gun shot by cop

26 November 2014 - 11:56 PM

911 caller apparently said the gun was probably fake and didn't think it was real. I wonder if this information was not relayed to the officers or if they ignored it.



Doesn't matter. You treat every gun as real unless you handle it in a safe condition and can tell one way or the other or if you can tell from obvious markings (like the orange cap that is SUPPOSED to be on the weapon) from a distance. From their vantage point, it looked real. And that information is essentially useless. "Probably fake" means "could be real". Telling them that isn't going to change the response. If they allow that information to effect their response, and the gun is real, they get shot.


The kid made a dumb mistake. It's unfortunate, but nothing wrong was done here on the part of the cops.


In Topic: 12-year-old in Cleveland with a BB gun shot by cop

26 November 2014 - 10:23 PM

Nobody in immediate danger? From what the cops know, there's a guy with a gun. They see the gun and see it get picked up by the kid, so instead of parking at the curb and walking over to investigate, they get closer so that they can use their car for cover. Tactically there's nothing the cops really did wrong here. Could it have been better? Always, but that doesn't mean they were wrong or acted hastily.

Cops want to go home at the end of each shift. That's the goal every single day. Go home. They are responding to a person with a gun call. They approach and give commands for the kid to put his hands up and he reaches for a gun. The kid didn't deserve to be shot (his parents failed him and that is the cause here), but he did earn the shots by his actions. I understand that may seem nonsensical, and if you don't get what I'm saying there, I'll try to explain it better. I don't think the kid was necessarily malicious or a bad person. He's a kid playing with a toy gun and not understanding the implications of doing that in public and what a gun signifies, toy or not. However, that's not the way ANY cop does or should view it. You drop your guard and say "oh, it's just a kid" and that kid ends up shooting you with a real gun, then what?

There's literally no version of this case where the cops were wrong. Yet, people will say they were. It boggles the mind.


In Topic: 12-year-old in Cleveland with a BB gun shot by cop

26 November 2014 - 12:24 AM

Give me an example of cops getting killed because of hesitation to shoot? 42 officers died by gunfire in 2013. Meanwhile, it is estimated that cops kill just over 1000 civilians a year of which about 400 are justified.

Cops are cowards who shoot to kill when their lives are not in danger as demonstrated by the statistics. 42 police officer deaths by gunfire vs about 600 civilians needlessly killed by cops.

First, research "OODA loop". This will help explain some of what you are about to see.





And another. Same issue: OODA loop.




And if you want to know why cops approach every call and traffic stop as if somebody is going to try and kill them....well, poo like this

Skip to :55 mark



This kid was just ignorant. At no point did the cop escalate the situation and he was pretty patient. And then this happens.









Also, your numbers need sourcing and even if they are even close to accurate (pssst...they're not, since a quick google shows me several different sets of numbers collected), a lot of it can be explained by cops being better shots, having better/more training, and not blindly firing while fleeing. Your use of "shoot to kill" is nonsensical. How else are you supposed to shoot? Any firing of a cop's service weapon is use of deadly force, whether it hits target or not. If you shoot, you are trained to shoot to kill, since (if you're shooting and all) the suspect is clearly putting yourself or a third party at risk of death or serious bodily injury or is attempting to flee by means of use of a deadly weapon. No weapons training in law enforcement teaches "shoot to wound". If you are shooting, then you are shooting to hit the target until the threat is no longer a threat.

But you're right bro. Cops are just bullies who shoot first and ask questions later.


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