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#2918162 Sign Stephen hill you assholes

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 31 August 2014 - 11:20 AM

People are way too high on Stephen Hill.

I haven't said anything about signing stephen hill. But if we do sign a receiver that isn't a returner, Bersin is the first guy on the chopping block.

#2917456 Sign Stephen hill you assholes

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 30 August 2014 - 06:42 PM

Philly is the 5th string receiver? And call it a hunch, but I don't just find it a coincidence that Bersin, from Charlotte, the first Terrier to be in the NFL since Richardson, is playing in Charlotte for Richardson. Trust me, he earned it, but being from Wofford helped his case immensely.

I was saying Bersin is the 5th string receiver. I still don't see how a nice backstory helps the dude stick on the roster.

If we sign another returner, Philly is gone.

If we sign another receiver that doesn't return kicks, Bersin is gone.

#2917414 Sign Stephen hill you assholes

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 30 August 2014 - 06:07 PM

People are way too high on Bersin. Just be happy he's made the 53 man roster for the moment.

#2912410 For Those Concerned about Cotchery and Avant:

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 28 August 2014 - 08:32 AM

of course. i just think people are being too quick to say that Cotchery and Avant suck. there is no evidence that they do or will. and even if their production isnt what we'd like it to be, there is Cam and the OL to share blame as well.

Ok, I would agree with that. It is still too early, considering the time Cam missed, to say that we are set or screwed at receiver.

#2912380 For Those Concerned about Cotchery and Avant:

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 28 August 2014 - 07:59 AM

i'll just leave this here:

and i'll quote Mr. Newton:

cant make plays if the QB wont target you. and from what i hear, they were catching pretty much everything Cam threw their way in training camp. people need to do the research and not react so quickly. Cotchery and Avant, while they've normally not been flashy, have always been amazing possession receivers. we certainly have our flash with Smoo (hell he may even be a feature receiver because it seems like he has speed too, and we already know he catches everything in sight). but we need strong, tall possession receivers to back up Smoo. Cotchery and Avant will keep the double teams off KB with their play. they dont need to be flashy. that's KB's job.

I had points and questions to engage you with, but they have all been superseded by this: what the hell is "Smoo"?

#2909766 A closer look at Bersin preseason stats

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 26 August 2014 - 06:20 AM

So that's about 96% drafted 4% UDFA not 99.99%. I concede it's a larger margin but considering this is one years sample size that's understandable. Becoming a great player undrafted is not nearly impossible, but highly improbable this day and age. Thanks for doing the work!

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Right, maybe I'll take a day and make a full article using multiple years and see what effect draft position has on it. But you also have to look at the "reps effect". I don't think that the gap in talent can be that wide all the time between first round picks and the rest of the league. It's just that first round picks are always going to get more playing time, coaching, medical attention, and opportunities. I believe they are better, but not by THAT high a margin.

Look at Arian Foster. If Steve Slaton doesn't fumble his way out of a starting job and some other injuries don't hit, Arian Foster gets zero opportunity to be the starting runningback.

#2909420 A closer look at Bersin preseason stats

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 25 August 2014 - 07:10 PM

None of that matters. Your saying a UDFA can't become a all pro star and it's very rare. I'm saying it's rare to be a all pro star period and being a UDFA doesn't reduce their chances. If you wanna argue the validity of UDFA being good enough to play with the starters we could take all starters and pick out all of the UDFA vs Drafted players and see what statistic that shoots out. I'm positive it won't be 99% drafted and 1% UDFA.

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Let's take it to the tape!


Last year's all-pro team:



Peyton Manning (1st Round)


Running backs:

LeSean McCoy (Second Round)

Jamaal Charles(Second Round)

Second team:

Adrian Peterson (First Round)

Eddie Lacy (Second Round)


Fullback: Mike Tolbert (Undrafted)

Second team: Marcel Reece (Undrafted)


Tight End: Jimmy Graham (Third Round)

Second team: Vernon Davis   (First Round)




Wide receivers:

Calvin Johnson  (First Round)

Josh Gordon  (Second Round, Supplemental)

Second team:

A.J. Green   (First Round)

Demaryius Thomas  (First Round)

Antonio Brown   (6th Round)



Joe Thomas  (First Round)

Jason Peters   (Undrafted)

Second team:

Tyron Smith    (First Round)

Joe Staley    (First Round) 


Offensive guards:

Louis Vasquez   (Third Round)

Evan Mathis   (Third Round)

Second team:

Jahri Evans  (Fourth Round)

Logan Mankins  (First Round)

Josh Sitton   (Fourth Round)



Ryan Kalil (Second Round)

Alex Mack (First Round)





Defensive end:

J.J. Watt (First Round)

Robert Quinn (First Round)

Second team:

Mario Williams (First Round)

Greg Hardy (Sixth Round)


Defensive tackle:

Gerald McCoy (First Round)

Ndamukong Suh (First Round)


Second team:

Dontari Poe (First Round)

Muhammad Wilkerson (First Round)

Jurrell Casey (Third Round)

Justin Smith (First Round)


Outside linebackers:

Robert Mathis  (Fifth Round)

Lavonte David (Second Round)

Second team:

Tamba Hali (First Round)

Ahmad Brooks (Third Round)


Inside linebackers:

Luke Kuechly (First Round)

NaVorro Bowman  (Third Round

Second team:

Vontaze Burfict (Undrafted)

Karlos Dansby (Second Round)



Richard Sherman (Fifth Round)

Patrick Peterson (First Round)

Second team:

Aqib Talib (First Round)

Joe Haden (First Round)

Alterraun Verner (4th Round)



Earl Thomas (First Round)

Eric Berry (First Round)

Second team:

Eric Weddle (Second Round)

Kam Chancellor (Fifth Round)

Jairus Byrd (Second Round)

T.J. Ward (Second Round)

Devin McCourty (First Round)

Antrel Rolle (First Round)


By my hastily done count that is :

28 First Rounders

10 Second Rounders

6 Third Rounders

3 Fourth Rounders

3 Fifth Rounders

2 Sixth Rounders

0 Seventh Rounders

and 4 Undrafted Free Agents.


So for all-pros the obvious correlation is being a first rounder. There were as many first rounders (28) as all the other rounds and undrafted free agency combined (28).


You also have to consider the volume of undrafted free agents as well. We brought in, what, nine undrafted guys? That's more than we drafted. So I don't think being an undrafted free agent hurts you aspire to be a starter or all-pro anymore than falling out of the top three rounds does. It's just that this league, as of late, seems to be monopolized by high draft picks.

#2908870 Notable OL Cuts

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 25 August 2014 - 01:02 PM

In 2011, Smith made the PFF All AFC South team.

However, it seems to have gone downhill from there, and Houston didn't re-sign him after Vince Wilfork dominated him in the 2013 playoffs. Since then, he's kinda fallen off the map. Still, he's probably not the worst out there.

True, but that team includes guys like Schaub, Jones-Drew, and Jeremy Mincey. All of whom are circling the drain now. Three years can be a long time in football.

#2904777 What We Do and Do Not Have (8-23-14).

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 23 August 2014 - 05:32 AM

It seems like a lot of people are worked up about that preseason game. The final score looked bad, and the game was rough at times, but anybody who saw that game as a "revelation" has not been or isn't paying attention. I think we can sit up in the sober light of dawn (even though it's not dawn yet) and say a couple things:


We do have a Franchise Quarterback.


We have a quarterback that plays through injuries, rust, and pressure in a PRESEASON GAME. A lot of other guys would have shut it down after that shot to the ribs. Cam Newton is a man and a leader who looks like he might be developing further as a passer this offseason.


We do not have a Perfect Quarterback.


Tom Brady accurately, consistently, and with variation drove his team down field. He is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, if not the greatest of all time. Cam doesn't look that good because, maybe, five guys have been that good. Ever. Tom Brady is also approaching forty and hasn't won a superbowl since before Terrell Owens was a laughing stock. Cam was not perfect tonight, but he was better than a vast majority of quarterbacks would have been. Valid criticism is important, but appreciating what you have and what your opponent is too.


We have a great young receiver in Kelvin Benjamin.


Benjamin came into the league with much more polish and ability than many draft experts thought. It already looks like we got a steal with our pick and many teams will regret passing on him. Credit to Cam and Ricky Proehl for working with him so much, but also credit Benjamin for working so hard to be ready now. The future at wideout looks bright for the first time in a while.


We do not have great depth at receiver.


Cotchery and Avant are nothing special, and none of the young guys outside of Benjamin will give us a ton this year. Philly Brown may be a average punt returner, which is way more than I expected from any of these guys. We are lucky so many people were wrong about Benjamin because we would struggle to get separation anywhere if not for him and Olsen. One of Cotchery or Avant will probably develop into a inconsistent but passable option like Lafell was last year. Frustrating at times, but enough for us to get by on.


We do have a young left tackle that struggles with speed rushers.


Byron Bell has been a steal. To get that kind of play from an UDFA is amazing, but we know what he is. We have known for years. For some people to pretend he was suddenly going to turn a corner this season and become an entirely different player this season was silly.


We do not have the death of the 2014 season at left tackle.


In 2005, we moved an overmatched Travelle Wharton to left tackle. He was inconsistent, and at times downright terrible (six sacks given up to the Bears at Soldier Field, a game I skipped out on class and financial obligations to go see). He was also solid enough, consistently enough to give us a chance to win. From what I have seen, Byron Bell does not look much better or worse than Travelle did that season. So, hopefully, he is enough.


We do have a chance to have back to back winning seasons for the first time in franchise history.


There is enough talent on this team to make the playoffs. Newton, Davis, Kuechly, Benjamin, Olsen, Star, Johnson, Hardy, etc form an amazing, young nucleus that learned how to win last year. We will be dangerous this year, and better in years to come.


We do not have a guarantee to have back to back winning seasons.


It will not be a cake walk. We have enough holes on this team to regress to 8-8 or 7-9. But football is a weird, rarely predictable, game. So I would therefore encourage you to go to the games, cheer hard, and hope we get a few lucky breaks along the way.


Go Panthers.

#2904359 Overreaction Thread.

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 22 August 2014 - 10:05 PM

I would advise many of you that you are arguing with a person that created an account to troll a preseason game. The zenith of internet sadness. Try to not make yourself look sad by engaging with it.

#2904337 Crotchery truly is the replacement to LaFell

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 22 August 2014 - 09:58 PM

Preseason. Plus Cam seem more locked in for Benjamin and Olsen anyway. Which I prefer.

#2904271 Overreaction Thread.

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 22 August 2014 - 09:38 PM

It's the preseason for trolls too. Practice squad trolling at best.

#2899550 Possible DE Trade?

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 20 August 2014 - 08:40 AM

I don't think player for player is happening. Maybe another conditional draft pick. If we add at offensive tackle or another position, it will be from another team's cuts ala Dwan Edwards.

#2896663 Ealy is not the next Everette...he can play

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 18 August 2014 - 11:12 AM

We also didn't give up a first for him, so happy times all around.

#2896284 Fisher #1 pick, UDFA Bell playing better

Posted by Stroupe-a-loop on 18 August 2014 - 06:21 AM

Bell's looked fine recently. Not amazing, not terrible. Which is great for a guy with his story. But the real story should be that Fisher still doesn't look good after a shaky first year. He's heading towards bust.

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