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#2659725 The Official NFL Combine Thread

Posted by micnificent28 on 20 February 2014 - 03:16 PM




all te measurements

#2659358 Don't Expect a Discount From Hakeem Nicks... He Just Signed with Roc Nat...

Posted by micnificent28 on 20 February 2014 - 11:39 AM

I don't understand the statement made by the poster. Just because you sign with roc nation doesnt mean anything. Nicks is still free to accept what he wants. Fact is he hasn't had a thousand yard season since his rookie year. He isn't going to demand the money he thinks and roc nation is scraping the bottom of the barrel after missing out on several of this years to draft talents.

#2658367 Mayock Draft tweets.

Posted by micnificent28 on 19 February 2014 - 03:33 PM

Khalil Mack runs like a safety. Explodes off the edge. One of elite edge guys in draft. I've yet to find a hole in his game. Top-five talent. 

This is the deepest and best draft class he's seen in 10 years. 

"You can find different 'flavors' of running backs in the second round on. Dolphins have to hope one of those flavors is 'good.'" 

You can go three or four rounds deep this year and get a starting offensive tackle. 

Mike Mayock prefers Brandon Thomas at tackle (as opposed to guard.) And Mayock projects him late 2nd round. 

Nevada OT Joel Bitonio is a likely second round pick. 

"My favorite nickel CB in the draft is Jason Verrett from TCU. He's ideal for the slot. Quick-footed, tough."

Mike Mayock said on first viewing Johnny Manziel looked like a combination of Fran Tarkenton and Doug Flutie. 

Mayock on Manziel: He doesn't like being confined. The more he was in the pocket, the more frustrated he got. 

Johnny Manziel has the arm strength, ability, passion. Top-10, maybe Top 5 pick. "I believe in the kid." 

He really likes Washington running back Bishop Sankey. He wants to see Bishop Sankey catch the football in Indy. Didn't see enough of it on tape. 


“Dennard and Fuller, the two corners, I think they’re awesome but my concern with both of them is long speed." 

"Eric Ebron to me is a top 10 pick, and in today’s NFL he might even go in the top 10 just because of what he brings to the table." 

Kent State RB Dri Archer is among prospects he's most interested in seeing perform at combine. 

Ra'Shede Hageman will be a guy to watch at the Combine.Said he has "freak ability" and interested to see how he runs. 

Jake Matthews safest pick in the draft. 

"Taylor Lewan is a little top heavy, but he’s got a nasty finish. I think he’s very similar to Fisher and Joeckel from last year." Mayock says Lewan is worthy of a top 10 pick. But he's got him No. 3 on his tackle board. 

Mike Mayock on Kony Ealy: "He's not quite as athletic as Aldon Smith, but he's a little more physical, better against the run. A 4-3 end." 

"Chris Borland is one of my two or three favorite players in the draft. He could be the Kiko Alonso of this year's group." 

Mayock on Jared Abbrederis: Understands routes better than most receivers. Needs to get stronger. 3-4th round. 

"Calvin Pryor is a bigger Bob Sanders." Mayock says Pryor is more of a box safety while HaHa Clinton-Dix is a "complete" safety. 

Mayock believes Sammy Watkins will be the only top-10 WR taken. Mayock said he'd have trouble taking Lee or Evans top 10 in this draft, but both should go top 20. 

Mike Mayock said Blake Bortles is the most undeveloped among top-three QB selections. 

"I think all three could fit (Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater) the Browns depending how they feel about each individual." 

"I think Kyle Fuller is a first-round talent and a first-round lock with sub-4.5 40." 

"Amaro would be logical at 29. So would Hageman. I think the other top guys (at DL/TE) will be gone." (Mayock on the Patriots' pick) 

Michael Sam is a "tweener" and that's why people are having a hard time evaluating him for the NFL. 

Mike Mayock says Michael Sam likely a third-round to fifth-round projection. "Tight-hipped, don't think he can play linebacker." 

Mike Mayock on Jadeveon Clowney: "I know he's got the physical makeup to be the best player in the draft." More upside than Mario Williams. 

"I wouldn't be surprised if Jets pick multiple WR this year. You can't go wrong with Marqise Lee of Mike Evans." (Mayock on the Jets' pick) 

"Quarterback they believe in makes most sense. They do have so many needs. Just need good football players." (Mayock on the Raiders' pick) 

Mayock said Khalil Mack can play in both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes, and that if a 4-3 team takes him they have to free him up as a rusher, too. 

Mayock is concerned about Jadeveon Clowney's "mental makeup.... Is he just going to be happy to be a millionaire?" 

"They need an edge guy. If Mack was sitting there, he & OT would be of interest to me. They need a new-age TE." (Mayock on the Buccaneers' pick) 

Mike Mayock said Teddy Bridgewater is the most ready because of the offense he played in. Reads whole field, throws to all levels of field. 

Mayock said he likes Tajh Boyd in the mid to late rounds. Calls him a playmaker. Needs time to develop. 

Mike Mayock said he thinks South Carolina CB Victor Hampton has second round talent but may not go that early. 

Mike Mayock said Utah CB Keith McGill has the ability to be a second or third round pick but needs to be more consistent. 

Scott Crichton is a "poor man's Chris Long." 

Mike Mayock says he'd be surprised if Eric Ebron is still there for Ravens' first-round pick. 

"Taylor Lewan might make it to No. 12. If he does, the Giants should jump all over him." Mayock says not to count out a receiver for the Giants. 

"Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, David Yankey makes sense at No. 27 for Saints right now." 

Darqueze Dennard is a top-15 pick. "My favorite corner in draft." 

Derek Carr fits into the end of the first round. 

A.J. McCarron is a second-round pick. 

"Timmy Jernigan can step in and be special early." 

Without injury, still don't think Zach Mettenberger is first- or second-rounder. Not a guy who can start from Day One. 

"Sammy Watkins has the toughness. He blocks people. He's got an attitude like he wants to be the best player there is." 

Seantrel Henderson one of biggest boom-or-bust guys in draft. ... Probably a fourth-round pick this year. 

Mike Mayock on Bruce Ellington: "He reminds me a little bit of a bigger Ace Sanders. And I really liked Ace Sanders." 

Mike Mayock said he wouldn't be surprised if Notre Dame DL Stephon Tuitt goes anywhere from pick No. 25 to pick No. 50. 


If the Texans trade down from No. 1, they may be willing to move down farther than usual because of quality of draft. 

If a quarterback the Jaguars love isn't there, both Clowney and Mack make sense at No. 3. 

"One of my favorite players in draft is LSU's Jarvis Landry. Reminds me a little bit of Hines Ward." 

"Jimmie Ward is one of my favorite safeties in this draft. I don't see him getting out of the second round." 

Colt Lyerla a first- or second-round talent. Would guess, because of character concerns, he'll get picked on third day of draft. 

Cyrus Kouandjio up and down last season. Had bad Sugar Bowl. Meetings with teams at the Combine will be important for him. 

Dominique Easley went from top-25 pick to third- or fourth-round pick after second ACL injury. 

If Carlos Hyde goes in first round, won't surprise me. With the running back position being devalued, he probably goes in second. 

"Trent Murphy reminds me a little bit of Mike Vrabel." 

Sammy Watkins would make sense for Browns at No. 4 if they waited on a quarterback. Carr could be option at No. 26. 

#2657967 Peshek: TE Metrics

Posted by micnificent28 on 19 February 2014 - 10:33 AM


This tight end class boasts a number of extremely productive players which makes analysis of their receiving targets very interesting. However, each player examined here was successful in a unique way which is what actually makes them worth analyzing. In this piece, I broke them down only by their receiving targets but added in a few metrics that would separate this from past wide receiver columns.

All the targets were hand charted by me from every game of these players. If you’re missing your favorite TE such as C.J. Fiedorowicz or Xavier Grimble - it’s because their receptions were so limited that a good sample size wasn’t possible. In the piece, Austin Seferian-Jenkins will be referred to in the charts as ASJ.

#2655267 Munnerlyn's agent meeting with Panthers next week

Posted by micnificent28 on 16 February 2014 - 04:45 PM

Munnerlyns' mad because he won't get another job in the NFL if the panthers don't resign him

Seriously?  Putting up the numbers he did i dout that would be a problem.

#2654631 Cosell would take Benjamin over TAMU's Evans

Posted by micnificent28 on 15 February 2014 - 04:34 PM

Benjamin won't be there at 28

It's possible. with the rise of odell beckham and cooks. Everything  is riding on the combine.

#2654514 Riley Cooper would you want him

Posted by micnificent28 on 15 February 2014 - 02:31 PM

No. Do not want this race baiter in the locker room,tho i would love to see smitty punch in the mouth a few good times just for show.

#2654236 Cosell would take Benjamin over TAMU's Evans

Posted by micnificent28 on 15 February 2014 - 02:34 AM

Truth is his hands aren't that bad. He makes spectacular catches on the regular but, he will drop an easy one if he's not tuned in 24/7. I think he will impress at the combine with his athletic ability and will catch fairly well in drills.

#2651592 Calvin Pryor

Posted by micnificent28 on 12 February 2014 - 05:03 PM

Not sure what you're talking about.


Gman didnt draft Godfrey and with a bad contract + injury he could likely be gone. At this point, no one can assume that Mitchell and Mikell are locks. There's a high chance that Mitchell is back, but not an aging Mikell. Lester played well as an udfa, but I'm not sure Rivera feels comfortable with him being the starter just yet.


For whatever I know, Rivera was linked to two "safeties" in consecutive years: Mark Barron (2012) and Kenny Vaccaro (2013). I'm pretty sure that Rivera will take a hard look at Pryor during the draft process. Atm, safety is as big a need as everything else.


Godfrey's contract is so big that if we were were cut we would leave 5 million in cap on the table as dead money. That said cutting him isn't realistic. Add to the fact mitchell played at a pro bowl level he likely returns as well. With lester there in the wings Signing a safety in the first round isn't realistic Even if we factor in mikell is gone(no word yet). Just not gonna happen unless mitchell walks even then i dout the team is uncomfortable with lester where as to draft a safety to play ahead of him in the first. Godfrey staying pretty much messes up the whole idea of that which is why NO ONE has mocked a safety to us. This would be about as likely as us drafting a RB in the first.

#2651532 Calvin Pryor

Posted by micnificent28 on 12 February 2014 - 03:59 PM

This isn't going to happen. Sorry for  safety wanting fans but,with Godfrey likely to on the roster not to mention lester and mitchell and maybe mikell likely to return. The  Need just isn't there. were losing all receivers ginn,lafell hix and so on. Not to mention the big hole on the offensive line. It's just not really possible and would be a black eye to the franchise(and cam) if this were to happen. END.

#2645363 NFL.com's Panthers Offseason Forecast

Posted by micnificent28 on 07 February 2014 - 12:12 AM

Olsen is Overrated in my eyes as a TE. The guy is closer to a WR than aTE. He's not much of a redzone threat and he's not a very good blocker and has nothing after the catch. I like him as a catching option but,i don't think he's worth 8 million a year. I'm not saying he's not a good player or push him out the door but come on something needs to be done.

#2641663 So there is a twist in the Martin/Incognito saga

Posted by micnificent28 on 03 February 2014 - 10:04 PM

Martin is a big puss end of story.

#2641653 So how would you like this draft?

Posted by micnificent28 on 03 February 2014 - 09:59 PM

LOL@benjamin being there when we pick at the"back" end of the second. That pick alone throws the rest out the window.

#2637878 Jerry Angelo (former Bears GM) ranks the league's QBs, Cam comes in at #4

Posted by micnificent28 on 01 February 2014 - 01:31 AM

you're kidding yourself into thinking I said that. physically gifted sure but that isn't what carried this team. He was physically gifted last year and the year before but we had no D. What has changed? it was a team effort in general but there is no way you cannot give the credit to the D as the major contributor to the improvement this year. They carried this team above anyone else.

Yes i agree the defense has a big part into us going 12-4. Your right in your thinking of that. But that doesn't change the way he has developed into making less mistakes and throwing less ints while also still remaining effective as a the biggest threat we have on offense. You can't just take cam out of the equation like your doing,NO other QB is asked to do as much for his team as Cam Newton. Thats what makes him one of a kind. Take payton manning away from the broncos still a good team. take russell from the seahawks still a good team and so on. Take cam from our offense the rushing goes down the 3rd down conversions go down. The total touchdowns period would drop off greatly. As Gettleman and so many others have said as Cam Newton goes so goes the panthers. This kid was in MVP conversations at the midway point up until the end of the season. You can't just say he has nothing to do with it. 

#2637213 Top 4 Wr ,metrics Watkins,Evans,Benjamin,lee

Posted by micnificent28 on 31 January 2014 - 03:18 PM


Where Did They Catch the Ball?


The table below represents the percentage of catches in each zone, it is color-coded so that an above-average number of receptions is greener and a below-average number is redder.



Sammy Watkins’ receptions stick out like a sore thumb. It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s watched Clemson that 57% of Watkins’ catches came off screens. We’ll examine his yards after the catch in relation to screens later in the piece, but that doesn’t discount the fact that you’d like to see more than 30% of his receptions come past 6 yards – just for some variation.


The most normalized reception chart belongs to Mike Evans, who was the closest to average among the top tier. Much will be made about Manziel and Evans’ connection and reliance on each other for deep balls. However, we still have to be impressed by the fact that at 6’5” Evans has caught the highest percentage of receptions past 20 yards amongst the top 15 WRs in this class. 


Like Evans, 25% of Benjamin’s receptions came on throws deeper than 20 yards. Benjamin’s receptions are well distributed among the various zones with the exception of screens. He caught 3 screens on the year where he totaled -8 yards. The screen game is not going to be strong for Kelvin at the next level.


Lee’s receptions are the most stunning, as only 3.5% of his catches (2 receptions) came deeper than 20 yards. He actually dropped more deep passes (3) than he caught. Other than that, we can see the influence of Kiffin’s passing game where the majority of Lee’s receptions came on short passes designed to get yards after the catch.



What Did They Do After They Caught It?



- As alluded to earlier, Marqise Lee was put in situations where he could catch the ball short and take it for good yardage. His 7.05 yards after the catch is top 5 in the class, although his paltry 3.7 yards after the catch on screens leaves a little something to be desired.


- We can see the effects of Benjamin’s deep receptions as he caught the ball an average of 13.4 yards from the line of scrimmage, proving to be a solid deep threat. However, his 4.89 yards after the catch is the lowest among the top 15 WRs. That’s not necessarily a problem with a bigger WR as that’s not ‘where he wins’. However, we still have to take that into account when comparing him to other similarly sized WRs.


- Benjamin’s YAC becomes relevant when compared to Evans who averaged 7.63 yards after the catch. His yardage wasn’t just racked up on broken Manziel plays. On screens he averaged 8.92 yards after the catch, displaying an innate shiftiness/burst that he may not always get credit for. 


- I was a bit hard on Watkins earlier for his lack of receptions downfield, however we have to be impressed with his YAC. Despite catching 70% of his passes within 5 yards of the LOS, where defenses were keying in on him – he averaged the highest YAC of this class gaining 8.48 yards on average. Most importantly he still averaged a solid 6.1 yards on non-screen passes showing he can get it done all over the field


How Did they Catch the Ball?


The chart below represents the final break each WR made before catching the ball. The goal isn’t to tell you exactly what routes each WR ran, but the variety of breaks they made as well as how those affected their production. For instance, comebacks typically yield very little YAC (2.5 yards on average) while posts/corner/slants yield high yards after the catch. The chart has factored out screens.



- When he’s not running screens, Watkins has the most normal distribution of route types. This makes his overall YAC on non-screens all the more impressive because we know he’s not running an excess of routes that lead to exaggerated YAC totals.


- As many have surmised via his tape, nearly 44% of Mike Evans’ catches are from coming back to the QB. Whether that’s on a scramble drill or designed route, that high number of comebacks takes away from his experience running sharp-breaking routes like square outs. Although we must consider Evans’ high YAC as a positive sign despite catching so many comebacks.


- Most interesting here is Benjamin and FSU’s utilization of the go route to take advantage of his height mismatch, nearly doubling the average for that specific type of route.


- Nearly 43% of Marqise Lee’s receptions came on short breaking in/out routes designed to put him in a position to gain yardage after the catch. I’m personally a bit surprised by the lack of post/corner/slants that have seemed to factor more heavily into USC’s past offenses.


How Are Their Hands?


Here are the drop rates for each of the WRs. I defined drops as balls that were easy receptions and likely bounced off the hands of a WR, not passes that a WR ‘could have caught’ with an acrobatic play. I won’t provide any commentary since it’s pretty self-explanatory.



So much of a WR’s numbers depend on the quarterback, so we can’t always use stats as effectively as we do for other positions. However, that doesn’t mean there isn’t value in them. Whether you use them to identify problems with a prospect’s hands or examine a WR’s YAC in depth, there is merit if you understand their potential and limitations. That’s all I have for now. I’ll answer any questions and tweet out additional info I have on Twitter @NU_Gap. Thanks for reading.


For some reason wouldn't let me post in the other thread.