That's the thing though. you don't have to love him or hate him. People that are filtering it through that notion are completely missing the point.
I'm fine if he's brought back. I'm also fine if he isn't.
If you're able to look at the situation objectively, there's way more evidence that he won't be back than there is that he will. It's reality. Scenarios people are posting like the league apologizing to Hardy or giving money back to the Panthers or the Panthers actually franchising Hardy again are just delusional.
Some on here don't seem to be able to accept that because they love Hardy the Panther, but they need to realize that after March "Hardy the Panther" may no longer exist.
Hardy is not going to give money back. That's nonsense. Nor will the team franchise him.
I don't have strong feelings either way as to whether or not he should be a Panther.
My problem is with the league letting a player and our team bear the brunt of good ole Rodger's fug up. And I also see too many here that seem to want to fry the guy. All of us, and I do mean all, have made mistakes in our lives. Those mistakes should not necessarily define us forever.
There are those on this board that seem to take an inordinate amount of pleasure in the misfortunes of others. Not just as it relates to Hardy, but every NFL player that finds himself in trouble. I'm not a religious man, but my recollection is the bible says something about throwing the first stone.
Too many of you sanctimonious _____have convicted Hardy in your own personal court. It makes no difference what the courts say. It makes no difference what actually transpired. It is as if some of you are actually hoping he pays the maximum penalty, just because.
Is Hardy riskier than most players? Maybe. That is why any smart team needs to factor that into any negotiations. All I know is the NFL is full of players that have done far, far worse than anything Greg did, and yet some of these same people are now league ambassadors (see Ray Lewis, among others).
Enough of the hypocrisy. Love him or hate him, Greg has not done anything of sufficient seriousness to be kept off the field and earning his livelihood.
the people not wanting to admit that HRdy and the Panthers got screwed by a false accuser and bs incident are the same posters that didn't want him on the team as a franchise player in the first place.
Not necessarily true. I was against the idea of a 1 year rental for $13 million because I thought the money could have better been spent elsewhere, and felt that way before he ever got into trouble.
Now, the situation is different. If he would play for somewhere below market on a prove it deal I'd be all for it. Hardy and the Panthers have both gotten the shaft on this because of Rodger G.'s incompetent handling of the Ray Rice mess. Many, many players have done worse things than Greg with far fewer consequences.
Greg is no choir boy and never will be. CJ, one of our captains, has been known to be a party animal and womanizer. Beason, a former captain, punched a guy out at the club. We all know about Smitty. Greg's incident came at the worst possible time and he and the Panthers paid the price.
If I were JR, the opinion of the players and coaches would have an impact on my decision. I especially would want to know more about the guns. That is potentially far more damning to me than what apparently transpired between him and Nicloe.
I understand this is a feel good thread so excuse me for seeing a negative side.
We are the most talented team in the South, no doubt. So what does it say about our coaching that we couldn't put together a more impressive w/l record? To me, this is another indication that we are not a well coached team. Hopefully, we'll still dominate over the next few years in spite of our coaching deficiencies.
Those of you thinking north of $6 mil are out of your fugging minds.
He may turn out to be great, but we all thought Melvin White was the best thing since sliced bread last offseason. He still has a lot to prove and plays behind an exceptional front 7. Maybe 4-5 a year is reasonable.
Bend on one knee and thank Baby Jesus every day Cam is on the roster.
And that's just it in a nutshell.
Some people don't think rationally about how hard it is to find an upper tier QB in this league. Maybe Cam is in the top 5 in a year or so, or maybe he stays in the 5 to 12 range. Either way, those guys are very hard to find.
Look at who's left in the playoffs. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson and Luck. Guys like that don't grow on trees. Maybe Cam belongs in that group or maybe he is somewhere outside of it. But he's someone to build around, and someone we can win with.
The whole argument of "well, we're going to play hardball and if he doesn't sign, we'll just trade him away for picks and find our next QB" is incredibly naive. We'll end up with the next RGIII or Geno Smith or we'll go the vet route and end up with what Tampa had this year.
For TonyN and those of his ilk, all of us want to see a win-win deal get done, fair for both sides. No one wants either party to suffer from buyer's remorse a year or two into the contract.
However, trying to get Cam to agree to an Andy Dalton contract and drawing a line in the sand at that level would not end well for the team. Those wanting us to get back in the QB market to find one more suitable to their taste are the ones not thinking of the team's welfare.