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#2963294 2014 Game by Game Analysis - Part 3

Posted by BIGH2001 on 18 September 2014 - 07:19 PM

fair enough. still... i put alot of effort into these. if you are too lazy to read it, thats cool. but dont comment that you didnt read it. that just makes you look bad.

I have no doubt you put in a lot of effort. I read bits and pieces and I agree with your analysis.

#2963255 2014 Game by Game Analysis - Part 3

Posted by BIGH2001 on 18 September 2014 - 06:55 PM


#2960331 The Greg Hardy thread....for everything Hardy related

Posted by BIGH2001 on 17 September 2014 - 12:43 PM


The best thing I can say today is that ESPN has covered about 1% Hardy and it ALL HAS BEEN about AP...

Good for us..

We need to be like the 49'rs.

They are basically saying FU NFL and public opinion-- we will let the process take its course.

And guess who NO ONE is talking about? The 49'rs and McDonald.

(except for right now that gave me the idea to post this- which in fact the segment lasted about 30 seconds)

The best way to deal with the media is to tell them to fug off. Belichick figured this out years ago. These slimes won't swarm your facility if they think there isn't a story. They aren't all over the 49ers because everyone in the organization has taken a consistent position and stuck by it. Nothing to see here, move on. Meanwhile the panthers did the worst possible thing which was to say nothing all week and then deactivate hardy before kickoff. Then make a bad situation worse by apologizing and appearing weak as hell. Blood in the water, game over. Awesome job by JR and the PR folks who continue to appear incompetent as hell any time there is a public appearance.

#2956294 Peter King busted

Posted by BIGH2001 on 15 September 2014 - 08:56 PM

The good thing about Peter King is he just stupid enough to respond to being trolled on twitter.

#2950346 Official Panthers - Lions Gameday Thread

Posted by BIGH2001 on 14 September 2014 - 01:50 PM

Why do we even defer to the second half when we always get our asses kicked coming out of the locker room.

#2949485 Official Panthers - Lions Gameday Thread

Posted by BIGH2001 on 14 September 2014 - 12:40 PM

Why is it all on shula? We moved it against a pretty good defense last week.

#2947764 National Interest in Hardy just ended....

Posted by BIGH2001 on 13 September 2014 - 07:23 PM

I guess i can see how that could come off as condoning his actions.

I'm trying to figure out why he is not taking this serious, he smiled for his mugshot, he texted his ex like it was no big deal and he was laughing at practice.

My theory is that's how he was raised and he turned out fine so he plans on doing the same to his kids. This was normal punishment back in the old days.AP needs therapy and some jail time. He can come back from this without destroying his professional life.

"Turned out fine" might be a bit of a stretch given the way he treats his children and the fact that he has about 10 baby mamas.

#2947397 National Interest in Hardy just ended....

Posted by BIGH2001 on 13 September 2014 - 01:34 PM

Reading the comments on ESPN has me sick to my stomach. There seem to be a lot more people that think this is no big deal than there are people that are disgusted. There really are times that I hate being a member of this species.

They linked espn comments to facebook accounts in order to deter some of the idiocy that went on in the comments section. It appears they need a new strategy.

#2947008 National Interest in Hardy just ended....

Posted by BIGH2001 on 13 September 2014 - 08:19 AM

I personally think the no hitting/spanking your child rule is a symbol of Nanny State USA - next you won't be able to shout at your child or to hurt his/her feelings by denying the child the extra cookie they demand. Of course you'll rarely hear stories of parents going too far, but the chances are they're poor parents in many other ways and aren't fit to be parents anyway.

I await the NFL attempting to protect their brand and think that justice in a court isn't strong enough punishment.

Kids a brats now and need discipline - a child just burned down a dog shelter in Manchester, England, killing 50 dogs. I know like the AP issue it's a one-off, but I think we all know that a high rate of children nowadays are little a-holes.

Where do we find the "rule" that says you can't spank your child?

There is a rule that says you can't beat your child with a stick until they bleed and have marks on them a week later. That would be child abuse.

#2946906 National Interest in Hardy just ended....

Posted by BIGH2001 on 13 September 2014 - 03:23 AM

Glad this gets hardy out of the spotlight. Peterson is an idiot who should have never procreated. Anyone who sees those pictures and fondly reminisces on their own corporal punishment is a psychopath who also should not procreate. Spanking is one thing, this is an adult not being able to control their rage and abusing a 4 year old.

#2940624 Until found guilty by a jury of your peers.

Posted by BIGH2001 on 10 September 2014 - 08:03 AM

You have a few things wrong here:


1. I didn't say that Hardy's team wanted to bypass the bench trial as a formality. I clearly stated that they thought they had a chance to get the charges booted on account of the accuser admitting she had used drugs that night. That miscalculation cost them.


2. He is not presumed innocent in the eyes of the law. Legally in his new case he will be referenced as the appellant instead of the defendant due to the fact that he has been found guilty on these charges. He is the party that is now pursuing the court to change their judgment. This is a process initiated by Hardy and his team. The legal system has made their judgment on this case and their judgment is a guilty verdict. That much is not subject to debate. Hardy obviously seeks to change that ruling by challenging it in a higher court which is his right. That does not invalidate the first ruling. Only a successful appeal can alter that fact. This isn't some odd grace period where he's in legal limbo. He's a guilty man today. The fact that the jury isn't allowed to hear about his guilt in this crime is only a means of ensuring that no bias is introduced to complicate matters. An appeal of any kind demands fresh eyes on the evidence for the first time. Any presumption of guilt or innocence is detrimental to that purpose. That does not mean that Hardy is not guilty in the eyes of the court.


3. What I meant regarding a jury trial being dirtier is that there will be more of an opportunity for both sides to examine the precipitating events in extreme detail and that process will involve yet more witnesses, more digging into personal lives between now and the trial, and a lot more angles being pursued to find a convincing way to present the information by Hardy's team that portrays this woman as unstable and the aggressor and an effort by the victim's team to portray Hardy as a habitual hothead and law breaker. All this time between now and the jury appeal isn't going to be spent watching Panthers highlights. His lawyers and her lawyers alike are crawling around Charlotte right now trying to find the ugliest stories they can on both parties and trying to tie it into the case. Plus, it's incredibly likely that this trial will be longer and as a result more comprehensive. There will be some liberties taken regarding what is relevant to the case if either team is trying to exhibit a pattern of behavior.


4. As for his chances in the appeal, I will not speculate but will concede that having lawyers more highly regarded will likely mean that every potential avenue that exists to escape out of the back door will be utilized. I don't really see that as a cause for celebration as much as a highlight of our justice system being inherently flawed in so much as high profile clients being able to push people around with their checkbooks and influence.



1.  It's not a miscalculation.  Every Defendant charged with a misdemeanor in North Carolina has a trial with a judge first, assuming they don't enter into a plea bargain.  That opportunity was taken and he was found guilty, thus the appeal.  Her drug use is certainly relevant to her memory and her perception of the events that night.  It could have been considered malpractice for his lawyers not to inquire about her recent drug use.  I am sure it will come back up before the jury.


2.  He is still referred to as the Defendant.  He is not an "appellant" in Superior Court and would only be referred to as an appellant if he were to lose his jury trial and go to the NC Court of Appeals.  He is also still presumed innocent.  I think you are confusing an appeal to the Court of Appeals or NC Supreme Court with an appeal to Superior Court.  He is innocent until proven guilty and the jury will be instructed as such at his trial.


3.  They can do all the digging they want but unless it fits into a category of actual prior convictions for criminal activity or her recent drug use that day it's not coming into evidence.  You have actually made the case for it not to come into evidence.  Hardy cannot be convicted of a crime because he is a "bad person" and goes to nightclubs every weekend, gets drunk, throws money at strippers and stays out until 4 am.  The jury isn't allowed to hear any of that because it is not relevant to the charge of which he is accused.  


I have been a practicing criminal defense attorney for 6 years, I think my information on this process is more informed than yours.  

#2940407 Until found guilty by a jury of your peers.

Posted by BIGH2001 on 09 September 2014 - 11:10 PM

I kinda forget all the info from when he was in court before but since I'm in Criminal Procedure this semester in law school the first thing we learned about was the general order of events from arrest through trial and I'm pretty sure that this was just a preliminary hearing which is just a screener type of court appearance where the judge makes a decision based on the current evidence whether its worth actually taking the case to trial. Greg could have waived this prelim. hearing and gone straight to the actual trial had he wanted to, Holder could have really screwed Greg by asking for and getting a grand jury review against him (which she didn't and likely couldn't). The standard of review in this prelim. hearing is probable cause which is a really low standard for Holder to have shown in order for the case to move on to the real trial. 


This just sounds a lot worse than it actually is. It's more like the ruling was, based on the circumstances, its reasonable that this could have happened.


There will be a lot more info in the real trial and if Greg has better proof of his innocence we'll see then.


His prior court appearance was not a probable cause hearing.  It was a trial in district court where the state has the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Defendants charged with misdemeanors in North Carolina will always start off in district court.  While their case is in district court they have the option of pleading guilty or having a formal trial before a judge. Whether the judge actually held the state to their burden of proof in Hardy's trial is debatable based on the evidence that I heard. However, it is not uncommon for district court judges in North Carolina to be more likely to hand out convictions than a jury.  The "safe" thing to do, especially in a high-profile case, is to find the Defendant guilty.  District court judges don't like being in the newspaper for the wrong reasons.  "Soft on crime" is a bad thing for these elected officials.  If a Defendant is found guilty in district court they can appeal to superior court.


Now that he has appealed to superior court he will have a second trial, this time with a jury deciding the facts and handing down a verdict.  The standard of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt remains the same.  In my experience as an attorney, he has a much better chance of winning his case in front of a jury than the judge especially given the flakiness of his accuser.  

#2934558 What we learned about today's game against Tampa Bay

Posted by BIGH2001 on 07 September 2014 - 06:57 PM

I never knew we had doctors on this board

The injury has to be more severe than the coaches are letting on. Otherwise he would've been playing. 7 days doesn't really make your fractured ribs fill that much better. 8 full weeks gives Cam the time for his ribs to fully heal with the smallest risk possible.

#2853404 Hardy found guilty

Posted by BIGH2001 on 16 July 2014 - 06:02 AM

Don't know how much legal technicality JR or Goodell will accept but technically an appeal of a district court decision means that the case is now "de novo" which is basically Latin for "new." The guilty verdict from the judge is cleared and everything starts over. So although he was "convicted" he hasn't legally been convicted following his appeal. If due process is truly afforded by the team and the league then they will wait for the outcome of the jury trial before taking any type of action.

#2853114 Hardy court thread : for all things that happen in court today

Posted by BIGH2001 on 15 July 2014 - 10:14 PM

Hardy should win on appeal when his lawyers have a chance to pick a jury. Flying weed doesn't make any sense and the lack of injury given the size discrepancy is a pretty big deal to a jury.

I will say as a practicing attorney that district court in North Carolina does tend to be somewhat of a joke. However, you can win trials with the right judge. This trial was not a good setup for hardy due to media publicity. District court judges are very sensitive about ending up in the paper for the wrong reasons because that usually means they don't get re-elected and they like that 9-5 job that pays 120K. No surprise the ruling was what it was.

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