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Posted by prowler2k8 on 14 November 2014 - 09:52 AM
You guys are way off base. Just to help you out, I'm going to enlighten you on the things Cam is doing wrong. Here goes:
1) He needs to get the ball out quicker even if there is no one to throw to.
2) He should just hit the check down option when he's pressured, even when there aren't any visible on the field. They are there, you just can't see them.
3) He takes too many sacks. Why can't he just throw the ball away? You know, like Jimmy used to do.
4) He comes out of the huddle too slowly, thus giving bad vibes to the rest of the offense.
5) His lack of maturity is just not on par with guys like Brady or Manning. How much longer do we give him to develop?
6) He doesn't elevate the play of the
scrubsplayers around him.
Face the facts. No matter what some radio guy says about him, he's just not elite in his 4th year in the league, so it's obvious he'll never be any good. Just trade him for a 3rd round pick and be done with it. The only other alternative is to get him to sign a 5 year, $12 million dollar per year contract with plenty of outs for the team so they can cut him anytime they want.
Sorry for being "that guy" but someone has to keep you people from being horribly disappointed over the next few years.
Points 1-4 are fixable with better coaching, namely a bonafide OC that schemes to showcase his strengths and QB coach dedicated to working on his mechanics. Points 5 & 6 come with experience and good team around him. Steve Logan's commentary was on point. No one can deny the kid has talent. Cam Newton is a two-time Pro-Bowler and recording setting QB in only his 4th year in the NFL. He's easily the best QB this franchise has ever had. No reasonable, knowlegdeable, unbiased fan would believe his skills or talent have suddenly disappeared or he's being exposed as no good. What's the difference? Terrible OL, which translates to a subpar running/passing game, WRs that can't get consistent separation and crappy playcalling due to imcompetence and the aforementioned issues. Fix these areas and suddenly this pointless debate becomes moot. He may never be in the elite status of a Manning or Brady, but he's the best QB this francishe has ever seen and the Panthers will be the laughingstock of the NFL if they foolishly cut him loose w/o making efforts to build a competitive team around him.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 07 November 2014 - 01:23 PM
III agree somewhat but I'm not sure how current this article is. Why would Joe Philibin be on the hot seat? The Dolphins are on a winning streak, and Sporano is basically an interim HC anyway. Just sayin'.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 03 November 2014 - 04:33 PM
I think Bene makes his way up to starting corner based off his early play. Another offseason under his belt and he is ready.
Pretty solid young duo corners, no?
I agree. Our secondary has the potential to be much better with 1-2 young, solid additions. I believe Bene, Norman and possibly White could be the cornerstones of a very good secondary with more experience. I would like to see us try White at SS/FS where he excelled in college. I just don't think he has the speed @ CB maybe he'd do better at safety IMO.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 28 October 2014 - 07:21 AM
We still have Cam under contract for one more year and we are trying to carry over quite a bit of free money into next year to help with the salary cap. What Moves do you think we do in order to field a more competitive team? Who do we go after in free agency? Who do we cut?
If I were to guess I'd say we do something like this:
Extend Cam possibly keeping his cap hit the same next year as it would if he didn't take the extension. It's around $15 Million I think. If he does that, he can take more money in the years following, but if he takes a team friendly deal, we're gold.
Cut/pay cut for Charles Johnson. We can do something more team friendly with him next year and we know it. This will free up some cap room for the free agents/Cam
June first cut Deangelo Williams. It's time. It was fun while it lasted, but it's been time for a while now.
Re-sign Dwan Edwards on another short term kind of deal. He's a solid backup at this point.
Re-sign Byron Bell to a back-up worthy contract. He sucks. I won't argue that, but he has starter experience and is familiar with the other linemen on the team. He'd be a decent back-up.
Who do we go after in free agency?
Jake Long, Michael Roos, or any other fat guy that can play OT at a halfway decent level. Not sure who else will be available either from cuts or who might be worth a look at, but I do know that we need an upgrade at this position badly on either side of the line.
Kick the tires on CJ Spiller to see if he wants to come back to the carolinas. He's getting up in age and has injury concerns, so we might be able to get a team friendly 2 or 3 year deal with him.
I see us going either OT, DB, WR, and LB in the first 3 rounds. I would not be surprised if we pick up another athletic LB that could possibly start day one or we could groom for the post TD era of the team.
Any other contractual moves with the current roster/ FA options you guys foresee available? Who do you want us to sign?
Our main focus this offseason s/b fixing this awful OL. If Sunday's game is any indication, we will be selecting 10-20 in the upcoming draft. We need to find a top-tier LT here. If there's none available (highly doubtful), then Todd Gurley would be an ideal fit. With Josh Norman stepping up, Benwiekere getting healthy and the other young DBs getting a year of experience, our secondary unit may not be a critical as we thought. Use the 2-4 rounds for another WR, OL or CB and later rounds for depth in said areas. With FA we should focus on find stop gaps/short term fixes at RT or DB.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 28 October 2014 - 07:15 AM
We could make the transition after this week's game. Ramsdell for the win!
^This. I have a gut feeling this is the reason he was hired, in the event Shula falters we already have an experienced offensive coach that Rivera may have wanted all along. I would love to see what Ramsdell would do with this underachieving unit.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 22 October 2014 - 11:57 AM
The reality, after Fox, after Hurney..a lot of holes and a bad salary cap,situation has not helped
However, I do not see the Panthers going after and getting the best staff they could get and if the goal is to go young and grow the best teachers are needed..nor do I see coaches willing or accepting that they have to adjust to the talent on hand
And btw, the best teachers are not the ones we are comfortable with...the best teachers are the ones who challenge us to grow. Shula should have not been hired and retained for the OC position is my opinion and the fact we hired a passing coordinator to help hum should have been a huge red flag. He was hired when Rivera was expected to be a lame duck coach and no one else available and then kept supposedly for continuity for Newton...not the best decision
My concern with Gettleman is the constant use of salary cap to explain things like out of 7 o linemen only two being draft. Let that sink in a moment and tell me any other pro team in that shape on the oline...I simply cannot believe there were not serviceable vets with one to 2 years left in them to get us through rebuilding that aren't better then bell and chandler and some no names from Canada as starters
Same goes for that abysmal secondary...roman Harper ..seriously...a guy whose physical skills combined with his lack of desire to play...why him...was that really the best the panthers could do?
I don't know what to think
All pro teams go through adversity. The panthers seem more capable then others of creating and sustaining their own.
I think the reality too is that they got lucky and overachieved last year and the jig is up this year along with Gettleman gambling on the dine that isn't thanks to the stupid, of Hardy and Alexander.
100% agree with all of this. Hiring Shula for "continuity" sake was a huge mistake by Rivera and I truly believe this was the rationale for hiring Ramsdell. And the point you made about not going after the best teachers/talent and the failure to accept/adjust accordingly has been a huge problem for this organization for a long time. The Panthers have had a 'square peg, round hole' approach to things for as long as I can remember.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 22 October 2014 - 10:40 AM
QB Cam /Anderson / Webb
OT Draft or FA\G Turner\C Kallil\G Norwell\OT Draft or Fa
Wr1 : Benjamin, Wr 2 & 3 Brown & Bersin.
RB JS / Fozzy /Reaves I cut DW (((((((
TE Olsen / Williams / Dickson
Bell and Foucault, second string OT Chandler Silatolu cut.
With a better offensinve line, run or pass no one care, you win.
OT Draft \LGNorwell\C Kallil\RG Turner\OT Draft or FA
LT - we need a long term permanent fixture at this spot, preferrably a high draft pick like Scherff or Peat
LG - Norwell has tons of experience @ LG and based on last Sunday's game looks better suited there than @ OT. We need his athleticism, size, strength and demeanor on the interior (and would pair well w/Kalil)
C - no explanantion needed unless Kalil is somehow jettisoned for cap or other reasons (shouldn't happen but stranger things have)
RG - no explaination; Turner has done well for a rookie and will only get better IMO
RT - agreed w/draft OR FA (though the pickings have been slim in recent years). I would prefer to see Kugbilla recover from injury and work out here, as he has the size and athleticism but health and/or work ethic is a big ? at this point and remains to be seen if he will be retained after being on IR the past two years.
Agreed that Bell, Foucalt should be backups; Silatolu will be in the last year of his rookie contract and should also be a backup @ best or cut along with Nate Chandler, Chris Scott and any other scrub on the roster. The team should also use the later rounds and FA to build solid depth here.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 30 December 2013 - 02:37 PM
Mitchell, Munnerlyn and Hardy are all guys we must keep. I think Klein could replace Blackburn, Lester could replace Mikell and Star/Short could replace Cole, but those three would leave big holes and yes, I include Munnerlyn in that.
^I agree. I think Klein could eventually be a factor at the SLB, not sure he has the speed for the WLB. For now, he's a good backup for Kuechly and possible replacement for Senn on special teams. I would like to see Cole and Mikell get 1-year deals for depth unless the staff feels Gaydosh and Lester are ready.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 13 November 2013 - 02:28 PM
Each party has reasons to spin the story in their direction and we'll probably never know how things really went down... but I tend to believe Beason.
The Panthers never said he asked to be traded, they simply said he was disappointed when he was informed that Blackburn would be starting. As a beloved leader in the locker room, I'm sure the FO was concerned that his disappointment and any perceived injustice towards him could have a toxic effect on morale so they decided to shop him around and ended up basically giving him away to the Giants.
I can understand how he feels about not being given a chance to say goodbye to his teammates but I can also understand why the Panthers decided it was best to just cut the cord given the situation... there's no easy way to say goodbye under these circumstances so sometimes it's just best to not say goodbye at all.
I do think the Panthers intended to do him a solid by trading him to a fundamentally good organization with a big need at MLB in return for a huge cap penalty and very low compensation.
I'm glad Beason has found himself in a situation where he can be a major contributor AND I'm glad the Panthers organization has the guts to trade a guy like Beason away when it's time to move on. I think it's important to be loyal to players, especially guys like Beason, but there's a limit to that and Hurney often exceeded that limit (and then some).
I see this as a win-win and I really hope Beason doesn't have any hard feelings.
Posted by prowler2k8 on 02 December 2012 - 09:18 PM
First the obvious reason, Andy Reid would do wonders with Cam and there is no doubt Reid deep down has a man crush on Newton. And another reason that never gets mentioned is im sure Reid would not only welcome a change of venue but also a laid back city like Charlotte might be just the break he needs. Not sure he would want another harsh enviroment like a Dallas or the Jets.
The bottom line is we need Reid and Reid needs us. Thoughts?
Posted by prowler2k8 on 02 December 2012 - 05:49 PM
Posted by prowler2k8 on 29 October 2012 - 09:26 PM
I would have to think it was either the Packers or the Broncos, as Phinisher mentioned... May be more likely that it was the Broncos considering they reportedly were bidding on him up until the last minute in FA, so they may be willing to pay him what they would've given him otherwise, plus Fox is familiar with him.
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