the world ends on friday, this will be the last carolina panthers football game you will ever have the privilege to watch. do it up big today folks, grill out, get sloppy drunk and have fun. this is it !!
he quit.say what you want,defend him all you want,but the boy FLAT OUT QUIT today after he threw that interception. it's embarrassing to see a " grown man " quit on his team and throw in the towel,especially for a qb. I lost alot of respect for him today
i could have sworn back in 2010 training camp somebody on the huddle first used the Kraken for greg hardy, now EVERYBODY is calling him that, including himself, and now Rachel Nichols just said it on espn....the huddle is a trend setter
A while back I talked about things that make me nervous when they come up with the Panthers. Why? Because of history. Certain situations just haven't generally yielded good results for this team. As the draft draws nearer, those things start creeping into my head again.
Here are the ones that come to mind...
PICKING BETWEEN TWO PROSPECTS
When the Panthers have faced a choice between two draft prospects with similar grades, they've had an unfortunate tendency to pick the wrong one. Examples:
1995: Kerry Collins over Steve McNair
1996: Tshimanga Biakabutuka over Eddie George
1998: Jason Peter over Vonnie Holliday
2002: DeShaun Foster over Clinton Portis
2007: Dwayne Jarrett over Steve Smith (USC)
In fairness, they haven't always been wrong in this spot. Picking DeAngelo Williams over LenDale White in 2006 was definitely the right call. Likewise, the 2002 selection of Julius Peppers over QB Joey Harrington was the correct one. And you could argue that the recent choice of Jonathan Stewart over Rashard Mendenhall has panned out (though objectively, that argument isn't completely settled just yet).
Why is this a concern now? Because if the Panthers decide to take a quarterback, they'll likely be choosing between two guys, Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert. Which one is the wrong one? Don't know. I just hope whichever one it is, we don't take him.
CATCHING A FALLING STAR
Sometimes teams catch a break with a guy inexplicably falling in the draft. The Packers definitely lucked out with Aaron Rodgers, as did the Bills with Thurman Thomas. In Panthers history though? When a guy has fallen to them, they've tended to find out - a little too late - that there was a reason why he fell. The examples here:
1997: Rae Carruth falls to #27 Other Available Players: Trevor Price, Jamie Sharper, Tiki Barber, Derrick Mason
2000: Rashard Anderson falls to #23 Other Available Players: Ahmed Plummer, Chris Hovan, Anthony Becht, Jerry Porter, Jason Webster
2009: Everette Brown falls to #43 Other Available Players: Mohamed Massaquoi, Andy Levitre, LeSean McCoy
2010: Jimmy Clausen falls to #48 Other Available Players: Taylor Mays, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap
In fairness, Brown and Clausen still have a chance to show they can contribute under the new staff. And again, not every example is bad. Nobody expected Ryan Kalil to drop as far as he did, and the Panthers got a steal. Likewise, Greg Hardy has looked good (at least so far).
This year, there's not as much chance of this early unless the team trades down, way down. In the unlikely event that DaQuan Bowers lasts until our third round pick though, I'll probably be nervous.
TRADING AWAY HIGH PICKS
And here's the final area where history hasn't been kind. Let's go straight to the examples of what was traded, what was received, and what could have been:
Redskins got: #5 Overall Pick, traded to Saints who got Ricky Williams. Panthers got: Sean Gilbert Could have had: Torry Holt, Champ Bailey, Chris McAllister, John Tait
Redskins got: #12 pick, traded up to get Chris Samuels Panthers got: This one also went for Gilbert Could have had: John Abraham, Julian Peterson, Chad Pennington, Shaun Alexander
Eagles got: #43 pick (traded to Minnesota, took DeSean Jackson at #59) and #109 pick, used on Mike McGlynn Panthers got: #19 pick, used on Jeff Otah Could have had: Jackson, Matt Forte, Ray Rice (2nd) Tashard Choice, Ryan Torrain, Tim Hightower, Owen Schmitt (4th)
Eagles got: #28, traded up to get Jeremy Maclin Panthers got: The other pick traded for Otah Could have had: Ziggy Hood, James Laurinaitis, Brian Robiskie, LeSean McCoy
49ers got: 2010 #17 pick, used to select Mike Iupati Panthers got: 2009 #43, used to pick Everette Brown Could have had: Maurkice Pouncey, Jermaine Gresham, Dan Williams, The Golden Calf of Bristol (if you're a The Golden Calf of Bristol fan)
New England got: 2011 #33 pick overall, the top pick of the second round Panthers got: 2010 #89, used to take Armanti Edwards Could have had: yet to be determined
Now, what does everybody and their brother want the Panthers to do this year? Trade down. And yeah, I'm on that bandwagon too. Sadly though, when you look at who's been taken with some of the high picks that this team has traded away, and who they could have had if they'd kept those picks, it hurts.
It should be remembered that not all of this falls on Marty Hurney. Only things from 2002 forward are on him. As I've said before, I still have faith in Hurney. Plus, as the commercial disclaimer says, past history is not necessarily an indicator of future performance.
But it is still enough to make you nervous
dude you are the biggest TOOL i have ever encountered on the world wide internet. your posts are always like a friggin book,with little substance in them other than your own opinions on EVERYTHING. opinions i might add that you think are FACT and the final word. everytime somebody disagrees with you, you same the same stupid sht like " only an idiot would think that" or "thats stupid". get a friggin life buddy.
People actually think Marty Hurney factors a fan draft party into his thinking about what to do in the draft?
That's the dumbest thing to come down the pike in a while.
Hurney will do what he thinks is best. He doesn't give a flying rep about whether fans at the party will cheer or not.
what's dumb, is you failing to realize that hurney and rivera and richardson have ALREADY DECIDED that they are drafting newton # 1 overall, therefore they are having a huge free draft party to generate more fan interest for the upcomng season. you really think the panthers would have this party to draft a defensive tackle, or a corner back? get real!!! the writing is on the wall
you think the carolina panthers are going to throw a first ever draft party at the stadium with free entry, and free tours of the whole stadium, including the locker rooms and other places the fans dont get to see, and have everybody there to pick somebody other than Cam Newton? They aren't going to trade down but they will get back into the 2nd round somehow that is obvious since hurney has made a draft day trade every year he has been here. the panthers arent setting up this huge,free draft day party on a thursday of the draft to pick marcel or peterson or green or fairley or gabbert. regardless of whether you like the pick or not, CAM NEWTON is going # 1 overall
Kind of silly speculating on who is staying and who is going, until you know who the new Coach and staff will be. And even then you still won't know what they are thinking about the players on the team and visa versa.
chris gamble is scheduled to make 9.5 million next season. DO YOU REALLY THINK HE WILL BE A PANTHER NEXT YEAR? really? really? really? YOU DONT KNOW HOW THE NFL WORKS
half of these poser fans on here,you know the ones that signed up in november 08 when we were like 10-2 or something dont even have a clue the panthers were in the nfc west,and won the division in 1996
this guy is DONE. not showing up for practice, then gets benched,then misses games because of a hamstring injury,then all of a sudden misses more games due to an ankle injury. he is done here, and so is richard marshall. marshall has been all about the money since he arrived here. look for the panthers to trade down from the first pick,take patrick patterson in the 1st and with the 2nd we get for trading down take a defensive tackle probably marvin austin from north carolina.martey hurney is not giving up on clausen this quick. remember the huge boner hurney had while talking about clausen after the draft?