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#2850898 long term deal for hardy was never in the plans

Posted by Woodie on 14 July 2014 - 11:26 PM

I don't understand why we franchised him if we didn't plan to sign him long term or try to trade him. Everyone points to the RB contracts and Beason as limiting our cap mobility, but that Hardy tag is HUGE this year. We may just be setting ourselves up to get Julius'd again.


Where do you get that we didn't plan to sign him long term?  None of the tweets even hinted at that, just that the plan was to wait and see how he did this year before committing to him.  Now I'm sure his latest problem could potentially make them second guess giving him a long term deal at all, even if he replicates last season, but since that occurred after he was given the tag it really doesn't play into whether or not their decision was the right one.


Yes, the team was negotiating with him, and I'm sure their stance was that if he was willing to accept a team friendly deal, they would absolutely lock him up.  But I seriously doubt they were willing to pony up anything significant until they felt more comfortable that he could have a repeat of last year.  And there was no way he was taking less than elite DE money...which is why no deal ever came close.

#2849016 Sporting News Report: Stephenson battle down to Hornets, Pacers, and Mavs

Posted by Woodie on 13 July 2014 - 03:09 PM

True but there are some Pacers beat writers who seem to also think we are a threat.

I don't hate Bonnell, I think he is going off of his gut. He did say we weren't going to do anything in FA except target McBob and a back up PG. Then a couple of weeks later we are signing Hayward.

Even the Hayward thing, other national guys broke the story, the Bonnell followed up much later saying he was visiting. He didn't know anything until national media broke the story.

Point being I think he is making an educated guess. He very well be right, but some of the National guys have better league sources than Bonnell, but Bonnell has access to whatever the Hornets tell him. Which right now may not be much.

In short, Bonnell may be right, but I am an optimist and want to believe there is something going on


All anyone is giving are educated guesses.  Nobody knows what the Hornets are planning...they are notoriously tight-lipped.  Even those sources that places like The Sporting News reference are just saying what they think is logical, none have mentioned any inside info on the Hornets.  They just mask their "gut" feelings better than Bonnell, so fans think they have real info instead of their own opinion.

#2844527 how many doughnuts is too many?

Posted by Woodie on 09 July 2014 - 10:20 PM

Hot KK are amazing and truly do melt in your mouth.  I do like DD as well though, but they do tend to be like a day or two old by the time they go on sale.  I had heard they ship them frozen, and that would explain why they are always a bit stale and only last a day or so past the purchase day...unlike KK that is soft as pillows when purchased and last for almost a week.


With that said, I remember going to a DD many years ago (like almost 30) that made them fresh every four hours.  We used to make doughnut runs at 4:00 am, and those were like a piece of heaven.  I wish DD would start making them fresh in their stores again, it's tragic how they treat them now.



#2833982 No.9 Pick : Noah Vonleh

Posted by Woodie on 27 June 2014 - 11:35 PM

Watching that video makes me very happy.  You can tell he has played guard, which will make him a very tough matchup for bigs.  And I was really happy looking at his weaknesses.  Not that I want him to have any, but if he does (which they all do), then these are ones that can be easily corrected. 


The two biggest issues are his awareness and technique.  His awareness will naturally improve with experience, not to mention with the tutelage of Jefferson and Ewing...in fact, his style and skills are right up Ewings alley.  And his technique issues are ones that can be coached up.  None of his problems are because of anything he lacks mentally or physically.  He's just a raw kid who has immense physical talent. 


And he's nothing like Biz was when drafted despite both having some rawness.  Biz needed to learn the basics of playing the game, but he was picked with the hope that he would develop into a skilled big man.  He really hadn't shown the skillset to be a threat, especially on offense.  Whereas Vonleh already has shown he possesses excellent basic skills to a dominant inside player, he just needs to work out the kinks and gain experience. 

#2827985 More WR hate for the WR Corps

Posted by Woodie on 23 June 2014 - 01:16 PM

Our offense will be body punchers, not one shot knockout artists.  The thing is that the body puncher can actually be much more devastating, and can destroy a team's moral and cause them to lose heart.  


We will not be a team that is quick strike, but we will be a team nobody wants to play because we'll be able to steadily move down the field, pounding the defense.  We are built to get 5-15 yards a pop...no matter what the defense tries to do.  Cotchery and Avant are not elite, and certainly not explosive.  But what they are is supreme route runners that know how to find the open seam and get position on a defender, and they will catch any ball that comes near them.  That also fits the mold of Olsen, and if Dickson and/or Williams proves to be at least competent, then that is 4 guys that know how to get open, and will usually make the catch. 


Now you add in Benjamin, though a rookie and not fully developed, who will be a nightmare matchup for anyone, not only because of his size, but the fact he knows how to use it, which is not always the case with bigger receivers.  Now lets bring in Underwood who has proven to be a decent receiver that can stretch the field, clearing up the shallow routes.  So on every play, defenses will have to account for at least four receivers that if ignored will pick them apart. 


But we also cannot ignore our RB's.  Every one of them are proven receivers out of the backfield.  Even the young guys, if they do get a chance to play, were very good receivers in college, and a major threat, so teams can ignore them at their own peril.  So now their LB's and DB's are all occupied and unable to stack the middle of the line, which will give our RB's (and Cam) a chance to do damage in the running game. 


Bottom line is that while we may not scare teams with our explosiveness, we will frustrate the hell out of them because we have so many effective parts, and not one of them will be any more the focus than the others.  So teams will not who or what direction to gear their defense to stop.  The attack can come from anywhere.  We will simply wear teams out on offense, which will also keep our defense fresh and able to reek havoc until the final whistle.



#2815707 Hornets Are Interested In McDermott At #9?

Posted by Woodie on 10 June 2014 - 06:04 PM

To be honest, I think there is a good chance that both Stauskas and McDermott will be bench players at the next level...especially on a contender.  But that doesn't necessarily mean that either would be a bad pick.  Ideally you want a starter and hopefully someone that can develop into an all-start type player when picking in the top ten; however, I don't think there is anyone that is expected to be available #9 who clearly fits that mold.  Everyone has significant questions and there is as good of a chance they will be role players as legitimate starters. 


The guys I'm looking at are:


McDermott - the best shooter in the draft.  He has a quick release and can be a real nightmare for anyone that has to try and contain him.  I don't like his defense, and he's an inch or two shorter than I would prefer.  But I do think he can be deadly coming off the bench, and while he would struggle defensively at PF, I don't think there's a PF in the league that could stop his shot...particularly from deep.  His basketball IQ is also immense, so that should not be underestimated.  I also think he would complement MKG beautifully.  He could rotate between PF and SF depending on the matchups, and allow MKG to focus on his defense and getting to the rim when it's available.   


Stauskas - The SG version of McDermott.  Very good shooter, but also has good handles and is better at getting his own shot.  However, he is not overly strong, and is slow to react on defense.  Like McDermott, he also doesn't have the kind of lateral quickness that lends itself to great defense.  He would also complement MKG quite well, but I don't think he would demand quite as much defensive attention as McDermott, so he probably wouldn't free MKG as much.   


Harris - I like Harris at SG except for his height.  He has the toughness, scoring ability, and defensive grittiness to be very good.  With that said, I do think his lack of height will limit him on both sides of the ball.  I think he will struggle getting his shot off when challenged by some of the bigger SG's, and will also occasionally have problems contesting shots against bigger guys.  How well he can use his toughness and overcome his size will determine whether or not he is a quality starter or just a solid bench guy.


Young - Of all the guys, I think he has the most potential.  However, I just get a sense of role player about him.  There's nothing I can put my finger on, but I'm not confident that he will ever fulfill his potential.  Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him, but I just don't see that passion to be great that you see in the great ones.


Overall, I think there is a good chance both McDermott and Stauskas will end up as quality depth on a good team, and come off the bench as instant offense...kind of the role Dell Curry use to play for the old Hornets.  And depending on which day you ask, I could go with any of them as my choice at 9.  I think McDermott is a better and more consistent shooter than Stauskas, but Stauskas is better at getting his own shot.  So for me, they are a toss-up.  Harris would be perfect if he were a couple of inches taller, but I worry about it limiting his effectiveness.  And if Young does develop, I think he could be the steal of the draft.  Unfortunately though, there are no sure things where we pick, so I just want someone that best improves the team and can provide an element that we are currently missing.



#2802892 OTA Observations

Posted by Woodie on 28 May 2014 - 09:57 PM

Kugzilla definitely looks fat as fug.


What exactly is going on with his knee?  I thought he went to IR due to hamstring issues?


He looks like an offensive lineman on a bike...no way to gauge whether or not he's overweight from that picture (relatively speaking).


And no, he went on IR because of knee issues.  He had surgery on his PCL and MCL.  He might start out on the PUP, but, barring something new popping up,  he should be fine in the long run...health-wise that is, still too early to have any clue about performance.

#2766445 Mayock's 2014 NFL Draft Eve Mock

Posted by Woodie on 08 May 2014 - 08:20 AM

I'm cool with trading down but just getting their 2nd, 4th, and 6th isn't enough. Would rather a 2nd and a 3rd


But according to the trade value chart, that is exactly what the pick would be worth.  Now, if you were dead set on getting their 3rd along with their 2nd, then you could switch 3rds with them, the value between our 3rd and their 3rd is almost the exact same value as the difference between their 2nd and our 1st...but this is a scenario I really don't see happening.


Bottom line, if we do trade back that few spots, a 4th and 6th is probably about all we can expect.  But if we think someone we would take at 28 would be there in the trade back, then it is still a net gain.  It would be like getting two free extra picks along with a guy we would have taken anyway.

#2763414 Morgan Moses vs Allen Robinson

Posted by Woodie on 06 May 2014 - 01:22 PM

Moses simply due to the receivers left for later rounds.

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But can those receivers available at 60 contribute anything substantial immediately and potentially be future #1's?  That would be the issue with waiting on them simply because of the depth at the position.  Most of the receivers the huddle likes will be gone at 60, and the one's left are probably no more than 2's and 3's down the road.  And most of them also wouldn't significantly cut into Avant and Cotchery's time, IMO...or Underwood's, for that matter.  Almost none of them would be expected to be able to come in and start on day one.


Now Robinson can be all those things.  Will he?  There's no certainty with any draft pick, but his skill set says there is a much better chance than any of the guys that might be available at 60.  


I think Robinson has a higher ceiling and is better at his position than Moses is at his, so I would choose Robinson.  But, if the Panthers choose Moses (or anyone else), I will be just as happy.  I have to trust Gettleman's evaluation skills, I have no reason not to...he's done nothing to make me question him thus far.   

#2761498 Panthers making last minute trip to see Allen Robinson.

Posted by Woodie on 04 May 2014 - 09:02 PM

teams dont suspend a guy, even for half a game, for nothing. that being said... youre right. it was only half a game. it cant have been too serious. truthfully, i am more interested in what separates Robinson from other prospects. compared to the other options that could/should be available in the 1st and 2nd, Robinson doesnt impress me


To be honest, I don't see how Robinson doesn't impress you.  I can see how you might like other guys more as a personal preference, but looking at him in a vacuum, Robinson is quite impressive, IMO.  He has great size, good speed, is quick and very shifty -- especially for such a big guy, he has great vision once he gets the ball in his hands (which contributes to his exceptional RAC), he has great hands, has an amazing vertical and high points the ball with the best of them, he also has very good body control and adjust to the ball.


To be honest, I don't see a major flaw in his game.  He has everything you look for in a WR, and his RAC is elite.  He is also reportedly a good kid who would have stayed at PSU if O' Brien had stayed.  I really don't understand why he isn't talked about more...especially when the biggest flaw that is mentioned is long speed, which isn't bad.  I just think he isn't very flashy, and that's what the analysts like to talk about. 



#2739073 According to PFT Panthers have interest in Sidney Rice

Posted by Woodie on 14 April 2014 - 02:56 PM

Oh yeah let's add another backup reciever so maybe the logjam will bust


If healthy, Rice is far from a backup. 

#2738646 Zack Martin a Panther if he follows Moses (in draft) to Promise Land?

Posted by Woodie on 13 April 2014 - 11:48 PM

The funny thing is that he is almost the exact same size as Gross, and has gotten high praise for his play.  So the only real problem is his arm length.  But is it a problem?  Like I said, he is about the same size as Gross, but he only has 32 7/8 inch arms.  However, Gross only has 33 1/4 inch arms...that's just over a quarter of an inch.  A negligible difference.


Jason Peters, who nobody has problems with his ability to play LT only has 33 1/8 inch arms.  And Joe Thomas, whom pretty much everyone here would kill for, has arms only 32 1/2 inches long...shorter than Martin's.


The point is that while ideally you would like to have a LT with longer arms, it's not a deal breaker.  It's more about technique and ability, which Martin has in spades.  So if he somehow fell to us, I think we would be making a Star-like sprint to the podium when it's our turn to pick.

#2738125 Number One Receiver vs Two Tight End Sets

Posted by Woodie on 13 April 2014 - 12:56 PM

Don't be shocked when (if) the Panthers draft looks like 1-CB, 2-OT, 3-WR, 4-LB, 5-OL, 6-WR, 7-DB


I think the only way we go CB before either WR or OL is if all viable options for 28 at those positions are gone, and I just don't see that as a possibility.  Especially with Kouandjio's knee problems apparently proving to be a false alarm and Moses, and possibly Bitonio, being a legitimate 1st round option.  Not to mention Robinson and Latimer putting their names in the hat for the 1st round according to many.  I just don't see any way 7 OT's and 7-8 WR's will be taken before our pick. 


And Rivera and McDermott have proven their defense works with mediocre CB's behind our front seven.  More than likely, I think we will look for a CB in the 3rd or 4th round, then look to next year to focus on CB.  So my guess is we go 1st - OT, 2nd - WR, 3rd - WR/OT, 4th - CB, 5th - 7th BPA between DE, WR/OT, S, OLB, and possibly QB.  

#2738108 Number One Receiver vs Two Tight End Sets

Posted by Woodie on 13 April 2014 - 12:38 PM

What we need to remember, particularly as a fanbase, is that RARELY does a rookie come in (regardless of where they are selected or how high their expectation) and step in as a #1 receiver...  The absolute worst thing we as a fanbase can do is to set unrealistic expectations on a kid coming in, and pressure him to be Smith's replacement...  It's unlikely to happen in the first year, and if we collectively add unneeded pressure, the results on that kid's psyche could very well be more than he's able to overcome in the long run...  We have to remember to keep our expectations grounded, and give the kid time to grow into the NFL...  Let the kid drop a pass here and there...  Let the kid go 2 or 3 games with no catches while he adjusts...  Just let the kid be a rookie...  And, IMHO, THAT is why we brought in mentors and released Smith (who we know from experience is not a great mentor)...


I think a lot of fans and media are too hung up with the notion of having a true #1 right out of the gate.  However, the thing is that we don't need a receiver to come in and be our #1.  We just need someone that is legit enough as a receiving threat to force defenses to pay attention and spread the field.  That, along with improved run blocking, will do wonders to improve our offensive efficiency.   

#2737892 Landry runs 4.58 at pro day

Posted by Woodie on 13 April 2014 - 12:55 AM

They use electronic timing at the combine they are hand timed in pro days ...

He is a 4.7 guy .


I think the start is by hand, but the finish is electronic, but I wouldn't swear to it.


Nevertheless, I think the combine 40 is, while not totally worthless, pretty close.  At most, it gives an indication of speed and is meant to level the playing field, but it's far from definitive, and can actually be quite misleading.  After all, running in aerodynamic shorts, shirts, and specially designed shoes is a far cry from carrying 25 lbs. of pads and running in cleats. 


I think putting everyone in pads to run the 40 would be far more telling about functional speed, which is what separates the studs from the duds, IMO.  A lot of guys have good speed in shorts, but lose it when the pads go on.  I want the guy that maintains his speed.   


Also, a runner can significantly improve their 40 time simply by working on their technique.  And have you ever seen a receiver line up in a 3 point stance with his off hand in the air?  Nope, but the player that comes out of that stance smoothly can run a much faster time than a guy that hasn't mastered the technique.  So a receiver can be judged and dinged for a move that he will never make on the football field and doesn't have any applicable value toward their position (well, unless we're talking OT's).

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