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#478640 Not being a big player in free agency? JESUS CHRIST DIE JERRY RICHARDSON YOU...

Posted by Fiz on 27 February 2010 - 01:10 PM

You forgot one big free agent signing, Mike Wahle

Yeah I've tried to block that from my memory.

#478595 Not being a big player in free agency? JESUS CHRIST DIE JERRY RICHARDSON YOU...

Posted by Fiz on 27 February 2010 - 11:56 AM

okay now that I've got your attention, let us take a brief look at the Panthers history of activity during the free agent period, where they've succeeded, where they haven't, where they wish they could have done something better, and where they will plan to focus this time around.

For starters, the insinuations that Jerry Richardson doesn't want the team to be big players in free agency shouldn't surprise anyone. As a matter of fact, it should be cause for a sigh of relief. This is a notoriously bad free agent class, especially at the positions where the Panthers are hurting, namely WR, DT, and DE. Because of this, players that REALLY don't deserve the money (like Aaron Kampman) are going to get stupidly overpaid, and he's probably going to be able to use whatever contract Julius Peppers gets as leverage.

None of this means that Jerry Richardson is cheap, or that he's trying to sabotage the team for his NFL Illuminati gay sex friends, or that he's lost his mind. If you walked into a Wal-Mart and didn't buy anything because it was priced like a Burberry, no one except your children would call you cheap. They'd call you smart. Your kids would call you all sorts of names because they just want something new to get excited about.

Yes I'm calling those of you who scream crap like this children. Wipe your own asses you worthless little shits.

That said, lets look at how this team has done when its decided to pursue free agents. You can double check me here.


Ken Lucas - this is the first guy I'm putting as a big name free agent signing. Lucas was the biggest name available at his position in 2005, and was the first time the Panthers committed to a "big name corner." prior to him, it was a collection of assholes just running around and cherry picking wounded ducks after the panthers rushed 2 and got to the quarterback.

Ken Lucas was an interesting case. He was certainly worth the money they paid him in 2005, but he quickly fell off a cliff. He went from being really good and probably a pro bowl snub, to being okay, then to being dreadful in a 3 year span. Furthermore, he was hated in the locker room.

I would never have signed him in the first place, but I can't really call this a bust. He was a starting corner for four years, 2.5 of them pretty good.

Maake Kemo'eatu - 2006 was when the Panthers really went insane. Apparently deciding they hadn't been aggressive enough following 2003, they went out and got the two biggest names on the market.

Kemo'eatu is an interesting case. On one hand, he's was a consistent starter for three years, company guy, toed the line, never raised a peep. For all intents and purposes, he was decent player on the line.

However, he was hardly ever as advertised. Kemo's strength is never being pushed back, but he's equally unable to collapse the pile in. Whether or not he's being double or triple teamed, he's going to camp out in the middle of the line, collect his paycheck, and not move anything. That's okay, I guess, but not what you pay top dollar for. When he was signed, he was supposed to be a poo wrecker NT from Baltimore. Turns out he was just kinda a rock.

Lastly, he wasn't even difficult to replace with comparable productions. I know a bunch of you just poo the bed and are frothing at the mouth and probably look like this, but the second the Panthers signed Hollis Thomas' fat ass off the street, all the problems caused by Kemo's absence went away. The Panthers went right back to the way they usually are: good against the pass, okay against the run.

Mike Wahle - Wahle was a former pro bowler with the Green Bay Packers and came over here with much pomp and fanfare. He managed to scrounge up pro bowl birth (helped by legions of packer fans no doubt) then proceeded to literally disintegrate in front of our very eyes. in 2006 he could barely stand up straight. he finally ended his precipitous collapse in seattle where they still curse his name. four year contract for one year of production, and they still couldn't muster a thousand yard rusher when he was good.

If we could go back and do it again, I'd take a major pass on Kemo'eatu.

Jeff Hartwig - Utter and complete disaster. Got hurt and never recovered. Sucked when he was in. Unmitigated disaster. I love you Ryan Kalil do me.

Meshawn Johnson - The Panthers decided not to resign Muhsin Muhammad after the best season of his life because of keary colbert, and instead decided to give practically the exact same contract moose signed in detroit to an older, slower, less productive player the next year with a reputation for being a locker room cancer. Well, Keyshawn was old, slow, and a locker room cancer. The only thing memorable he did was get cut 20 minutes after delivering this gushing speech.

Landon Johnson - Believe it or not this guy was considered to be a stud linebacker just waiting to blow up. He'd had back to back hundred tackle seasons, and the consensus wavered between overpaid for a good back or underpaid for a steal. regardless, he was anticipated to do good things really quick, and was signed to a contract which is interestingly structured so that it's never really awful, but each time you look at it you're amazed he's getting that much.

Well, turns out the player every single panther fan wants to bench at the first opportunity (na'ill diggs) has been good enough to hold him off. Landon was a healthy scratch for a lot of 2008, and only saw intermittent spot duty in 2009. It certainly looks like he got his paycheck and decided to take it easy.

I guess you could call Ken Lucas a success, but that's really the only one I'd argue that was a big name that did well. The rest had middling success at best.

The Panthers excel with what I would like to consider shotgun free agent signings. Bring in as many people at the position as they can for nothing, throw them all against the wall, and see what sticks. They don't find Keydrick Vincent if they don't bring in every single interior lineman in the world and see which one sticks.

The other times the Panthers are amazing is when they go after reclamation projects. No one batted an eye when the Panthers signed former first round picks Brayton and Lewis, and now it's difficult to imagine the team without them. Not only are they VERY cost effective, but they outperform what they're being paid, and they WANT to be in Carolina. Tyler Brayton basically begged the team to resign him. Lewis seems happy as a clam.

this was going to be longer but I've finished my coffee (black because I'm not a pussy like you) and it's time to go to the gym to get swole and screw this hot trainer chick in the tanning booth room so I'll finish with this.

If you have a single iota of intelligence in your scrawny little natty lite shriveled brain you should be ecstatic that the Panthers aren't going to pursue big name free agents.

-there aren't many good ones that would immediately help the team and be clear upgrades.
-they're not good at doing it
-you're gay

Just because there's no salary cap doesn't mean everyone will act like it. I know this infuriates people who have no concept of money, but just because Richardson is richer than jews doesn't mean he's stupid with it. Very few people acquire that kind of wealth through luck (looking at you snyder) and aren't going to blow it all on Antonio Bryant. To put this into perspective for people who believe this is all part of Richardson's plan to relocate the Panthers to Nazi Germany, perennial nfl door mat and terribly run franchise Pittsburgh Steelers have said basically the exact same thing.

There is no one out there in free agency who'd be worth signing over extending the panthers' corp players. This is a simple concept and if you argue with me about it I will sneak into your house at night, pop a ton of ecstasy, tie you to your bed, put on a bunch of darude, and dance for several hours with glow sticks while flicking the lights on and off real fast.

Finally, free agency hasn't even started you dumb twats. save your bitching for after the Panthers OH MY GOD THEY DIDNT EVEN TRY TO GET RAY EDWARDS f**k YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU FOX HURNEY AND RICHARDSON

now have some f**king pie

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#478265 DeAngleo Williams thinks Jake should remain starter

Posted by Fiz on 26 February 2010 - 10:39 PM


just talked to stewart and asked him.

He said, "fug that cracka ass bitch smoke trees get money."

#476681 Richardson and our FO proved again they are retarded

Posted by Fiz on 25 February 2010 - 05:39 PM

This talk that before the Uncapped year that Richardson would not let Peppers pay 20 mil$. Lets look now against all the nobility of Richardson against the NFL how much money his fellow Owners would pay to Peppers in uncapped year....

this does not make sense.

They didn't even tagged the guy and didn't even ask for a 2nd rounder

he's not a RFA you mouth breathing cretin. You can't place a tender on him.

or at least place the transition tag and if the guy gets a reasonable contract match it....

the transition tag is the exact same as the franchise. they'd be on the hook for the 21 million unless someone else decided to match it, and then they'd be left with nothing.

learn the fuging rules.

And all the buuullllshhit that we have to eat, that they have the give the extension to young player.....Halllooo, we are in uncapped year, you can pay all the money you like to Peppers and still extend everybody, if you don't want it next year don't sign the guy.....

easy to say for someone posting from a demo computer in walmart

#476286 You know who is eyeing that peppers money?

Posted by Fiz on 25 February 2010 - 12:53 PM

oh no he's not putting a franchise tag for 21 million dollars on a player who shows up 8 games a season, and he might not pick up the option on a 30+ year old DT coming off a season ending surgery who was never that good anyway.

richardson must be trying to save money a bloo bloo bloo

also the glazers made money on manchester and if you knew anything about the situation or how they bought the team with borrowed money using the actual team as collateral (illegal in the states) you'd know that but nope you're dumb as a poo house rat.

#474442 hurney said this about the QB position

Posted by Fiz on 23 February 2010 - 09:47 PM

did you really think he'd come out and be like "yeah fug jake"

#473695 stop this whole apocalypse crap about the front office

Posted by Fiz on 23 February 2010 - 03:21 PM

If you don't want to believe the league's own damn site, be my guest. Know that you look like a little kid putting their fingers in their ears shaking their head "no no no I can't hear you!!"

that article was speculation by someone who doesn't work intimately with the panthers.

you are painfully obtuse. this is like arguing with the tide.

#473651 stop this whole apocalypse crap about the front office

Posted by Fiz on 23 February 2010 - 03:01 PM

Peppers was tagged last year because they believed they were going to compete for a playoff spot and minus a mental collapse by their quarterback they would gotten back.

the 2nd rounder from new england rumor from last year was never confirmed and is just revisionist history by fans with an axe to grind.

21+ million is an absurd amount of money to give to someone who isn't an every down player.

nothing can make him sign a long term extension.

the same front office you dumb white noise poo posters are ready to lynch have gotten the team to the position where they have a multitude of young talent they can spend that money on anyway.

Hurney didn't create the CBA problem, and its status is impacting how he handles every contract.

most importantly, if you buy into any of these dipshit conspiracy theories, you're parroting ideas from low content posters like pstall and king taharqua.

#472864 Marty Hurney will issue a major statement tomorrow at 2

Posted by Fiz on 22 February 2010 - 11:07 PM

hopefully he brings on jake who pulls a bud dwyer

#472603 WCNC reporting no tag for Peppers via team source

Posted by Fiz on 22 February 2010 - 08:22 PM

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#471812 Panthers should rebuild? (espn article)

Posted by Fiz on 22 February 2010 - 11:09 AM

Carolina Panthers: Is it time to rebuild?

After a 12-win season in 2008, the Panthers had high hopes for 2009. Alas, Jake Delhomme's season-opening spurt of interceptions was a sign of bad things to come; the Panthers finished 8-8, but needed wins over an absent New York Giants team in Week 16 and the Saints' backups in Week 17 to get there. DVOA has them at 10.2 percent over the season -- 14th in the league -- but it underestimates the level of effort they faced against an otherwise-excellent Saints team in Week 17. It's fair to say that Carolina was a below-average team in 2008.

That difficult year yields challenging questions for this offseason. Defensive end Julius Peppers is an unrestricted free agent, and because he was tagged as the team's franchise player a year ago, he'd cost an absurd $21.8 million to keep around for 2010. Chances are that he won't be, costing the team its best player without any compensation. To fit Peppers into the cap a year ago, the Panthers signed Delhomme to a cap-friendly contract extension that guarantees him nearly $12 million in 2010; of course, Delhomme was alternately average and terrifying in 2009, and was essentially benched onto injured reserve. The team is stuck with him for one more year.

With Peppers leaving, Delhomme gnawing at owner Jerry Richardson's pocketbook, and a host of veterans that are unlikely to survive a rebuilding period as Panthers, Carolina should take the uncapped year to shed as many of its onerous contracts as possible and start over. With a talented draft class (especially at OT/DT) entering the league, they have assets that could result in valuable draft picks, including wide receiver Steve Smith and left tackle Jordan Gross.

Their best trading chip, though, is All-Pro halfback DeAngelo Williams. Williams turns 27 in April, has only 754 NFL carries on his odometer, and is signed for one more year at the price of $725,000. With budding (albeit injury-prone) star Jonathan Stewart waiting in the wings, a Williams deal is the Panthers' best shot at getting back the first-round pick they traded to the San Francisco 49ers to move up and draft Everette Brown a year ago. The San Diego Chargers, who pick 28th, seem like a logical landing point if the Panthers head in that direction. With a team not good enough to make it to the Super Bowl, it makes sense for them to start over.

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#471312 Franchise Tagging Week

Posted by Fiz on 21 February 2010 - 07:24 PM

What's a transistion tag?

same as franchise, but if another team matches the player can bail.

basically rolling the dice with a riskier RFA

#471115 Boston Globe: Better stories about the Panthers than any local rag

Posted by Fiz on 21 February 2010 - 03:41 PM

If anyone is wondering where I get all my amazingly awesome news updates about the Panthers, it's basically just rotoworld sorted by team, which you can access here.

The Patriots are once again rumored to be in the Peppers sweepstakes, and of course all their journalists are putting Company Man Gantt and the clown car of assholes at the Charlotte Observer to shame.

If you’re planning to spend $13 million a year on a player, chances are you’re going to want an idea what you’re getting.

And if you really want Julius Peppers - the belle of this winter’s sparse free agent ball - you’ll probably have a lot of trouble figuring that out.

On one side of the ledger is a person that people in his inner circle universally regard as a good guy, a teammate who works hard in the weight room and is always in shape, and a player with the kind of rare talent to redefine the prototype for a position.

On the other side is an athlete who often disappears not for snaps or series but for games, who has been said by some to bring nothing to the locker room, and who has frustrated many coaches and teammates with a lack of passion for football.

Who is the Real Julius Peppers? Very few people know, and that’s why red flags have been raised as he prepares to hit the open market March 5.

“I wouldn’t touch him, for that money and what he gives you,’’ said an ex-Panthers personnel man. “On the field, he’s a freak athletically, but it’s whether he shows up or not. He’ll go two and three games and do nothing but take up space. Then he’ll have two sacks, a forced fumble, a pick, and change the game. And that’s the danger. He can mesmerize you, but it’s not consistent.’’

“He could end up costing some personnel guy his job,’’ said an AFC scout with extensive experience evaluating Peppers. “I’m terrified of him. In my heart of hearts, I believe that if you pay this guy, I don’t think you’ll see a double-digit sack [season] again the rest of his career.’’

And that’s where his fit gets murky.

Can a club that has built its operation on players who are passionate about football change a guy who so often has demonstrated an apathy toward the game?

“Football’s come so easy to him,’’ said Brentson Buckner, the former Panthers defensive tackle who played next to Peppers for five years. “Does he love it the way Steve Smith or Bryant Young or Jerry Rice love it? I don’t think so. But he’s got so much God-given ability that, even without loving it, he’s a five-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro with 81 sacks in eight years.

“You do think, ‘Man, a guy with that much ability, imagine if he did love it.’ ’’

At the same time, Buckner calls Peppers “a prisoner of his own talent,’’ in the sense that no matter what he does, it never seems enough. And that, plus his private nature, makes him tough to read.

“One thing I know is he likes football,’’ said Mike Rucker, another ex-Panther defensive lineman. “If he didn’t like football, he’s the type of guy who would’ve hung up his cleats and walked away.

“If you break it down, if it’s about the money, then why wouldn’t he have taken the contract they offered a couple of years ago?’’

Buckner theorized that while Peppers might lack the burning desire to be the best, he has always valued the respect of his teammates and, as such, the right locker room might change things. In October, Carolina linebacker Jon Beason called out Peppers for a lack of passion. Peppers responded with six sacks over the next four games.

That is the carrot for teams when he hits the market. Ex-NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker, now a writer for SI.com, recalled playing opposite Peppers. Tucker tried to cut-block him, and Peppers stunned Tucker by leaping out of the way before burying the quarterback. Peppers said to Tucker, “Dude, you can’t do that to me.’’

Then, watching tape of a game against the Raiders, Tucker saw the coaches move Peppers all over the field, and he “literally beat [the offensive linemen] one by one.’’

But, Tucker said, “That’s what he gives you, those flashes of brilliance. The Vikings game [in December], they couldn’t block him. But that was in prime time, and his contract is up. I think he picks and chooses his spots.’’

“I don’t think he’s a great football player, but he’s a superhuman athlete,’’ Buckner said. “He hasn’t gotten to a point where, ‘I know the double-team is coming, here’s how I beat it.’ Defensive linemen are taught to maintain the double-team. That’s for guys like me.

“Guys like him should beat the double-team. That’s what Lawrence Taylor did, that’s what Reggie White and Bruce Smith did. That’s the kind of player he should be.

“The guy’s built like a power forward, runs like a DB with the flexibility of a gymnast and strength of a nose tackle. And he jumps like Jordan. He’s like a football science project.’’

He reacts differently to different situations, and that goes for the way he’s coached, as well. Peppers was said to have soured on ex-Panthers defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac and line coach Sal Sunseri, who were rattle-the-cage types. Then Ron Meeks arrived to run the Carolina defense in 2009, and things improved.

Buckner says Peppers needs coaches who will speak frankly and respectfully to him, and have the gumption to challenge him. Jack Del Rio, the Carolina defensive coordinator his rookie year, was that guy, telling Peppers, “I expect more of you.’’

The question is whether he expects enough of himself.

“You have to figure out what button to push,’’ said the ex-Carolina personnel man. “But I don’t know that there is one.’’

The AFC scout added, “He should never have less than 14 sacks. But you can’t make a guy passionate about something that he’s not.’’

Even lacking that, Peppers has proven he can be an All-Pro pass-rusher, commanding constant attention from the offense. Will he ever be more than that? That’s a question plenty of teams are looking to answer.


#470392 If I didn't love the Panthers so much, I'd kick 'em to the curb

Posted by Fiz on 20 February 2010 - 12:21 PM

know what the greatest play i'd ever seen was prior to 2003? a 2 yard scramble by Steve Beurlein.

#470391 If I didn't love the Panthers so much, I'd kick 'em to the curb

Posted by Fiz on 20 February 2010 - 12:21 PM

im so glad i had my formative years during 1997-2001.

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