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tjmurray

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#2397228 Sooooo.... DeAngelo Williams......

Posted by tjmurray on 23 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Just checked in to see what is going on and I see that CRA & 55 is engaged in a holy war. This is laugh out loud funny. CRA, loves to flip the script. . We're going on a 3 game window basis now right? Now 3 all of the sudden isn't enough of a sample size. I remember telling you about DeAngelo's career numbers or YPC when you was throwing out games when he was averaging 1.1 or 2.5 ypc. I told you history or his history showed he was a better player than that and what did you tell me? "I go by recent history, because recent history is more telling than what a player has done in the past. It is an what have you done for me lately league, TJ." Now all of the sudden, you need a bigger sample size, lol. My main man CRA, LOL. Let's not throw in his performance the last 5 games last year. I threw that at you and you told me, well it was because Cam played better so naturally the running game improved. So now the 3 games isn't enough of a sample size. My guy CRA. Gotta love him.


#2396846 Sooooo.... DeAngelo Williams......

Posted by tjmurray on 23 September 2013 - 06:25 PM

Typical CRA logic using receiving and rushing yards to try and prove a point. The question was who is the better running back

Forte- has 225 yards in 55 carries for a 4.1 yards per carry
Williams has 291 yards on 62 carries for a 4.7 yards per carry.

Who is much better-= Williams of course.

Who is the better receiver:

Forte has 18 receptions for 138 yards or 7.7 yards per catch versus William who has 3 reception for 14 yards or 4.7 yards per reception.


Even if you combine them Forte has 73 touches for 363 yards or 4.97 versus Williams has 65 touches for 305 yards or 4.7. But that doesn't tell the whole picture. If you combine touches as a function of cap hit - Forte's cap hit is 7.2 million while Williams is 5 million. So as a function of yards per dollar- Forte has 363 yards or $19834.71 per yard. Williams has 305 yards or 16393.44 per yards.

So dollars per touch- Forte $98630 versus Williams $76923

Amazing what stats in context can illuminate.


So by any comparison Williams was more productive than Forte. Watch now CRA will change the topic, talk about TDs as the only thing or pick someone else. Why? He has bitched and moaned about how expensive Williams has been for years and now that it no longer applies he can't change horses in the middle of the stream.


Panther55!!!!!!!!! In this piece spitting knowledge.... I see you Panther55. I see you...


#2396829 Sooooo.... DeAngelo Williams......

Posted by tjmurray on 23 September 2013 - 06:07 PM

What's the point in worrying about what Deangelo is or isn't getting paid right now? He's on the team this year. He's not going anywhere in 2013 and honestly he's playing well so why would we want him too. He's taking some pressure off of Cam, and running well enough to move the chains and keep our D rested. He's doing his job. I think he can still kick it into a higher gear later in the year like he historically has, if he does we will become very dangerous. We are way under the cap so Dwill did not keep us from signing FA's this year.
Everyone's argued the contracts of our RB's til their blue in the face, Hurney's gone, Gettleman's cleaning the mess up, so what's the point?. I think maybe we should be happy that Deangelo is on the field producing and helping the team unlike our other big contract guys Beason, Stew, and Godfrey. One of our running backs is top 5 in the league again finally. If he stays there we are going to win more games so I don't give a poo how much his game check was for Sunday. That's Gettleman's job to figure out next year.


Because it isn't about the contract. This fanbase has been divided in the past few years. There are people who simply want #28 to be the guy. I get it and I understand. They use the contract as a Copout or an excuse to sort of bash him. There are fans who simply aren't a fan of his style. That was apparent when Stewie was put on the pup and people were calling for Barner to be the starter because he had an 8 yard run against Philly in the preseason and Dlo looked washed after 3 damn Carries in the same.game. It was very apparent then that there are fans who want the team to succeed but at the same time hope DeAngelo fails. It is obvious and when I see it I call them out on it. There is always a caveat or disclaimer when he performs well and it has become funny at this point. Well the defense was bad, he is just running through gaping holes, he got his yardage when the game was over, etc. Kurb just had a bogus a$$ post, "Still old, still overpaid." Why the hell are you worried about his money? Did his contract prevent us from signing some free agent this past offseason? worry about what he is doing on the field. He is being put in a position to succeed and he is doing that. #GoPanthers


#2380863 Straw that Broke the Camel's Back.

Posted by tjmurray on 15 September 2013 - 09:53 PM

Giants are at least playing like dog poo right now....


Who would you trust on your sideline next week, Rivera or Coughlin? If my team is playing like crap, I want a 2 time super bowl winning coach to lead me out of it.


#2379896 post game tweets

Posted by tjmurray on 15 September 2013 - 06:59 PM

I don't care who says it. What we were doing today was not good on offense.

Glad the players are defending their coach though


After the success they had on the ground last week, I just couldn't believe Shula reverted back to the zone read. I just could not believe it. We are only 2 games in and this is the first time that I kind of lost hope. I just don't have faith in this staff anymore. Now are secondary is in worse shape now than it was going in. I just don't know how to feel as a fan. I want to keep hope alive and say hey we are only two games into this thing, but we have all seen this story before. Just a gut wrenching loss. I am devastated. We lose next week and the damn season is over before it even began. Smh, Cam overthrowing wide open receivers, Shula channeling his inner Chud in the 1st half. Just awful as a fan to put up with slow starts for multiple years in a row. I defended Rivera forever. I just can't anymore. Today was just unacceptable. Unacceptable....


#2368247 Anyone else notice a couple of things in this current Skins vs Eagles game?

Posted by tjmurray on 10 September 2013 - 02:01 AM

BTW, this isn't Chud's spread option. This is the spread the way it is supposed to be played.


McCoy had 31 Carries tonight. I don't think Trent Richardson had over 13. This definitely isn't Chud's spread option, lol.


#2364349 deangelo williams apologizes

Posted by tjmurray on 08 September 2013 - 05:27 PM

Lol at people defending D-will and saying the fumble wasn't his fault. There is NO excuse for fumbling, I'm sure if you ask Williams he will say the same


No question. That just can't happen at that point in the game. Seattle defender made a great play, but still. Just killer...


#2364330 deangelo williams apologizes

Posted by tjmurray on 08 September 2013 - 05:24 PM

2 years in a row his fumbling has been HUGE against Seattle in winnable games....he deserves some criticism.


Of course he does. Even when he runs for 200 he deserves criticism. He is a useless player CRA. We get the memo.


#2356990 "Chud's in Cleveland and We're Going to Leave Him There" DWill

Posted by tjmurray on 05 September 2013 - 05:04 PM

My take?

Chud played his cards to the strength of his best player. Generated franchise best production.

The former best players didn't like it. But they aren't the key anymore.

Should he have been more balanced? Sure... but situational playing was a bigger issue than our offense as a whole


The former best players didn't like it? No one liked it. Cam didn't like it. #89 didn't like it. #67 didn't like it. #28 didn't like it. #95 didn't like it. Jerry Richardson didn't like it. After Hurney was terminated he had a meeting with Rivera and told Rivera that the offense had to change. Nobody liked it. What do you mean by "the former best players didn't like it."? #89 said in the article that one of the main things was the under- utilization of Tolbert. That was orgy talking about a role player not involved. Has nothing to do with "former best players" not getting numbers. has everything to do with the notion that the players and organization felt he was putting his personal agenda before winning games.


#2356582 Your Captains...

Posted by tjmurray on 05 September 2013 - 12:54 PM

There are *some* wacky characters.


#2356579 Your Captains...

Posted by tjmurray on 05 September 2013 - 12:53 PM

Beason is THE leader of the defense, he doesnt need to wear a C to do that.

I'm sorry to break the news to you, but #59 is the leader of this defense.... There are done wacky and boisterous characters on that side of the ball but the torch has been passed.


#2336114 Barner over Williams

Posted by tjmurray on 23 August 2013 - 12:11 PM

Oh, he was hurt all of last year. He took the damn field. #28 was hurt or dinged up when he ran for 200 yards against the giants. It is silly arguing a point with someone who always have an out. CRA always has an out. #28 struggles and the OL is weak or he was hurt. #34 struggles, he dances too much, he isn't quick to the hole, or my all time fav," he needs a hole." What back can consistently perform well without having a hole? Every back needs a hole. How can you constantly say Deangelo struggled last year and when someone throws Stewart's numbers at you, you say that he was hurt. Or he did just fine in '11. Well, DeAngelo did just fine in '11. #34 struggled out the gate and was the scapegoat last year. So, Rivera made a change and put Stewart in the starting role and featured him and you know what changed in the ground game? Not a damn thing. Did the team start winning after that? Absolutely not. When they changed the running scheme and #34 got an opportunity he started performing at high level again and that isn't coincidental. Until this team find a consistent threat at the #2 receiver spot, the offense will continue to struggle. This isn't about DeAngelo Williams. This isn't about Barnet or any other ball carrier. This is about Steve Smith being the only damn threat on the outside and it hinders the offense. Deangelo will be the main ball carrier until #28 comes back ready to do what he does. Deal with it...


#2335817 Barner over Williams

Posted by tjmurray on 23 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

This thread is a damn joke. #28 was phenomenal when he became the starter behind that oline last year right, CRA? It is as if #34's performance after Stewart went down didn't happen. This anybody should start other than DeAngelo Williams is too tired. You all can't even wait for the season to begin before turning the keys over to a rookie who has shortcomings as well. But that doesn't matter tho. Because anybody, including Tolbert, are better options the #34. Barner had a Seam and picked up some yards and that is enough proof for Zod to create this thread. Gtfoh!!!!


#1151339 Gruden's extended QB Camp w/ Newton (drills included)

Posted by tjmurray on 20 April 2011 - 09:19 AM

This can actually be coached up. When Michael Jordan came into the NBA dude could not talk worth a poo and came across as camera shy. He got the right people around him and now he doesnt mind speaking in front of cameras. I dont think Cam is as bad as MJ was, but once the Panther handlers get a hold of him, Im confident they can coach him up on how to address the media and what to and what not to say.


Yea, that's what I am banking on. Like I said, Steve McNair was very similiar in that regard. He sat for a couple of years though. So he was able to polish his speaking skills along with his football skills out of the spotlight. Cam will be different. He will be the #1 pick, so it will be trial and error in that regard. I think he will be fine. Football season can't get here fast enough for me. He can change this damn franchise. I am excited about the possibility...


#1151210 Gruden's extended QB Camp w/ Newton (drills included)

Posted by tjmurray on 20 April 2011 - 08:17 AM

I hate that he isn't well-spoken. Doesn't change how I feel about him as a football player. He is a very special football player. I still believe he will be an outstanding football player. It is very tough listening to him in interviews though. He has a tough time expressing himself orally. He isn't good with words at all. Steve McNair used to be like that, but he got more and more comfortable, and it became second nature for him. I know how it can be tough when you talk one way around your boys, family, and peers. You may talk with a lil slang and cuss a little, and when you do interviews you are thinking too much of how to express yourself properly and it comes out all wrong. He expresses himself on the field quite well though. He is a marvelous football player, and I look forward to seeing him compete in the NFL. Whether he is with this team or not.




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