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panthers55

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#3216293 No matter how hard I try, I just cant hate the Patriots.

Posted by panthers55 on 21 January 2015 - 08:17 PM

I don't like their smug players, arrogant coach, and annoying bandwagon fans. What else is there?


#3215899 Is a staff change out of the realm of possibility now?

Posted by panthers55 on 21 January 2015 - 02:57 PM

If he had shown evidence of growth or improvement then I would agree.  I lived in the Tampa area back then and so I watched a lot of their games.  The stuff we see him do week in and week out is the same type of stuff he did back then.  The complaints that we as fans make about him today are the same that Buc fans made about him back then.

The offense he runs now doesn't resemble the one in Tampa at all. If you dont know that then we won't be able to have a football conversation. As for fans bitching about the OC, that could fit a number of teams.  It hardly means because there is bitching that the complaints are valid.




#3213126 If Cam threw 4 interceptions in a game...

Posted by panthers55 on 19 January 2015 - 12:11 PM

The only way any teams wins with five turnovers is if the other team collapses and hands you the game. Seattle doesn't deserve as much credit for the win as Green Bay deserves to be criticized for falling apart.


#3213012 An attack by Bane isn't an option: Are you pulling for Seattle or New Eng...

Posted by panthers55 on 19 January 2015 - 10:45 AM

Not going to root for either. But I would like to see Brady spank Seattle who shouldn't even be there and then watch him retire. That way we get rid of Brady and Seattle gets put in their place.


#3213005 McCarthy was too conservative

Posted by panthers55 on 19 January 2015 - 10:43 AM

Total Green Bay collapse. Wilson tried to lose it with the last pick and even threw the ball up for grabs several times. All Green Bay had to do was make any kind of play and they didn't. They don't deserve to win but then again neither does Seatle. It would have been hard to script this kind of ending and have anyone believe it. Worse collapse in NFCCG history.


#3212869 Your thoughts on the NFC outcome ?

Posted by panthers55 on 19 January 2015 - 09:11 AM

Seattle hasn't played that well on offense. They rely on the othe team making mistakes and collapsing like Green Bay yesterday . That was the biggest collapse for any NFC team in the history of the NFCCG. New England won't collapse and Wilson won't get gimmes on dying quail passes. I hate New England but am going root for them against Seattle. They don't deserve to even be in the game. It was more about Green Bay collapsing then Seattle winning.


#3209227 Panthers in talks w/Josh Norman about extension

Posted by panthers55 on 17 January 2015 - 07:43 PM

I am not a capologist but isn't back loading and then constantly restructuring our players the main culprit is having 20+ million in dead money this year?

I feel like restructuring constantly is short sighted. It helps the immediate season but cripples the future.

Again I don't get into the weeds of how all this poo works, that is just how it seems to me

it still is a necessary evil for a few more years as we keep loading the team with rookies and guys on the cheap. Obviously the best plan would be to pay as you go and only have the remaining pro-rated signing bonus in dead cap space but we are not out of the woods yet. I was giving a way to fit everyone under the cap and still go after some free agents. Remaining competitive as we keep,dumping bad contracts and dead cap money from guys no longer on the team.
Many contracts are written with the notion that they are going to be restructured in a few years. Look at Brees for New Orleans. His salary is going to be restructured to,fit him in for another year. They can't pay his over 20 million salary but could work with 13 or 14 million. Restructuring is something every team does. It isn't a bad or good thing but a necessary evil.
But my point has been that the guaranteed amount is the biggest issue since that is dead cap space if they are cut no matter what. If you keep that low all along, even if you add a couple of million in a restructure, it is still manageable if they are playing at the level of a Davis for example. His contract is a prime candidate for a restructure or an extension.


#3208448 So what is the expectation next year, NFCC game?

Posted by panthers55 on 16 January 2015 - 10:53 PM

I expect to win every game and am disappointed when we don't. So I don't know what a reasonable expectation is really. After all isn't fan short for fanatic. Are true fanatics reasonable??


#3208102 Strickland & Henson's take on the tightening bond between G-man &...

Posted by panthers55 on 16 January 2015 - 05:48 PM

Before you just dismiss me, just listen.

I am going to assume you are referring to me, but apologies for the post if I'm incorrect. The thing is, I have always been a G-man supporter at my core (and have said as much), and I have never said anything...anything...negative about Rivera. Does that mean I believe and agree with everything that they do? Not at all.

Getting back to G-man (since the buck stops with him), I still believe axing Smitty was detrimental to our success this past season. People can argue to the contrary all they like, but we will never know if we could have done better offensively and gone farther had 89 been a Panther. To me, it's just disingenuous to say who was right or wrong, because we can't know. To be honest, it's not even a question of right or wrong, but a question of paths. Moreover, if I would have taken Hurst in the 6th round. People can say he sucked all they like, but he played like a rookie. At the end of the year, Harbaugh still had enough faith in him to start him (even if it was due to injury). As fate would have it, our 6th round pick was basically wasted, so I could say that I was right, but that's disingenuous as well. Again, it's all about paths---philosophy! And it's also useless to argue these past points anyway. It is what it is.

G-man has his way of doing things, but I would have liked to see him be a bit more aggressive at times in FA because I want to win in the immediate. I would have given a serious look at Mariani as a return man, or maybe LaMichael James when they became available. I also would have made a play for Denarius Moore midway through the season to add some big play ability (and add yet another possible return man). I would have made one of these things happen because I would have wanted to give myself an opportunity in the present. But that's just me. Looks at the dance are hard to come by. But even though I question G-man's aggressiveness as it relates to more of a sense of urgency in the present, I still respect G-man's overall philosophy, particularly on the business side. And I always have.

Moreover, I could never reconcile canning Rivera under the circumstances, and the record will show that I've always intimated that if one believed in canning Rivera after this season, then they should believe in canning G-man also. Both, I never thought would happen. As for Shula, you already know how I feel. It looks like he will get that same grace by default, but it is what it is. I will take him with skepticism because I don't have any choice.

It's not about being right or wrong, or "coming around" to someone's opinion---at least to me. As a fan, I am sure that we have all been right and wrong. That's the nature of the beast. I don't find anything about the Huddle "sad", except for possibly the always needless personal attacks and name calling. Other than that, I find it informative, entertaining and engaging. The whole experience of being a Huddler and a fan is largely what you make it.

I actually wasn't referring to you specifically but posters in general . I also pied your post as I agree with most of what you said. But I appreciate your intelligent post without the personal attacks.


#3207925 The biggest concern with Ron that surprisingly no one ever talks about.

Posted by panthers55 on 16 January 2015 - 04:11 PM

How many times were we in 4th and short and behind in score at the time, that we didn't go for it. I can think of several times we did go for it including once again Seattle. I just don't know how many times we didn't. That would go a long way to determine whether the OP has a legitimate concern or is whining and complaining without reason.


#3205123 Should Rivera's new nickname be The Teflon Ron?

Posted by panthers55 on 14 January 2015 - 05:37 PM

Gets coach of the year in 2013, takes what was widely judged as the worse team in the NFL to the playoffs albeit with a very weak division, Wins back to back division crowns for the first in the history of the NFCS and he is still considered by many here a terrible coach and people want him fired.  That is so far from Teflon.  It is more like a scapegoat, no matter whose fault it is, he gets blamed for it. 




#3204177 The Shula hate is overblown.

Posted by panthers55 on 13 January 2015 - 11:36 PM

There are also well thought out and informed posts on this board from a litany of people on why so many believe Shula is a bad OC. Some of which from Igo and other high quality posters on here.

So many posts about Shula and there are well researched points on both sides. The difference is how each person interprets the information. Don't say all the people who say Shula is bad are ill informed, a lot of us are well informed and have over the course of the seasons layout why we believe what we do.

After a while you get tired of showing the same facts and information. Two sides of the argument exist and the facts people show support their side of the argument only.

So we disagree, stop belittling someone else's point because you disagree. It makes you look foolish.

The overwhelming number of so called high quality posts about Shula referred to his days as an OC a decade ago including those made by the posters you named. I have seen very few which use an even hand or portray him in what I believe is a fair manner. Most every post went in with a clear agenda and only used the information which supported their already formed opinionated while there were countless posts excusing Cam because he didn't have the players he needed to be effective, those same posters would then castigate Shula as the problem without given him the same benefit of the doubt they gave Cam.
Threads today were one of the first times I saw posters show more balance and actually say what I have said all along which is that Shula did a good job with what he had to work with. Now Rivera and to some extent Gettleman has suggested the same thing. Which just supports what I have said all along.
And again you miss my point. I am not belittling your point just asking you to prove with facts what informs your opinion. I do it all the time and only ask you do the same. Otherwise you are the one without credibility not me,


#3204117 The Shula hate is overblown.

Posted by panthers55 on 13 January 2015 - 10:33 PM

I think its hilarious how when Cam had a better OC, line, & someone who could stretch the field, we had a top 5 offense, & he was breaking records.

And we had losing records both years. If yards were that important then that is how you would win a game not by counting points.
But to your point, when we had someone who could stretch the field and we had a good line that bad OC, Shula had us at 12-4. And we actually scored more points per game in 2013 under Shula than we did in 2012 under Chud.....
Facts over fiction........


#3204005 The Shula hate is overblown.

Posted by panthers55 on 13 January 2015 - 09:16 PM

Yea sorry dude Shula is terrible, by mid third quarter Defenses can read the Offense like a book. Plus the Offense has to literally play perfect for Shula's playcalling to be effective.

Prove it by showing we were less effective in the third and fourth quarter and that we only won when we were perfect. Like how many games did we win or lose where Newton threw a pick or we fumbled the ball. Unless you are another poster who ignores facts and stats because it interfered with their already formed opinion. In that case nevermind because logic will be wasted on you.


#3204003 The Shula hate is overblown.

Posted by panthers55 on 13 January 2015 - 09:12 PM

I don't look what he did last year or this year. He was hired because he knew the Chudz Playbook and was supposed to use it and make it better. His playbook does not resemble Chudz playbook what so ever. Everything seems slow.

I don't think Shula will ever get us over the top and into the Super Bowl.

Actually Shula was hired to maintain continuity and continue to help Newton grow since they have a good relationship and Newton is way ahead of where folks felt he would be at this point in his career.
We didn't want to turn Newton into Alex Smith part 2 by switching systems. Rivera said at the time that Shula had the best idea how to use Cam and build around him.
Now you could argue that going into year 5 he doesn't need the continuity and could handle a different system.
As to your point, he simplified the language in the play calling to help Newton with adjustments and audibles. But no he wasn't there to improve Chud's playbook and without seeing it, how would you know they are completely different.? The concepts look rather similar to me actually based on play calling.




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