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#2741313 According to PFT Panthers have interest in Sidney Rice

Posted by panthers55 on 16 April 2014 - 01:46 PM

The media (and probably some of his own fans). 


It wasn't necessarily hate (though it was reported Jordan was always tough on teammates, a douche bag). 


However, Jordan was called a 'numbers guy, 'a loser', 'a scorer who doesn't make his teammates better', etc., through out the first 6 years of his career. So that's true. 


It wasn't until Scottie Pippen, and then Phil Jackson came along when Jordan started really winning (though some are loathe to admit this/point it out), when he started getting the legend status accolades and equal status to Bird and Magic. 

 I think much of what you say is true.Jordan admitted that he initially thought he had to do it all in order for the bulls to win and tried to put everything on himself.  It was only when he learned that he had to make everyone else around him better that they started winning.  I would lay that development on Jackson who helped him see that.  So it was Jordan helping Pippen and Kerr and the rest be the best they could be that made the difference.

When did Jordan learn that not everyone can do everything at such a high level like he could in basketball?  When he tried to play baseball and couldn't make the double A roster.  He was humbled enough to learn that even great effort isn't always enough to excel.


In many ways it is the same thing that Cam has had to learn and I think he turned the corner with that last year.

#2738835 Does arm length (OT) really matter?

Posted by panthers55 on 14 April 2014 - 09:28 AM

The analysis assumes that PFF grades ae objective and unfallible and that may be very untrue.  What if arm length does matter but PFF ratings are too subjective to be able to show the difference. Plus there are other factors like experience which can mitigate physical deficits. If you were actually trying to assess arm length in a controlled setting you would control for things like experience, strength of the overall line, number of times you are in pass protection versus run blocking etc. So really it tends to show that some players tend to overcome their physical limitations by using other skills.  But all things considered it makes sense that longer arms would be an asset just not the most important one.

#2738017 Number One Receiver vs Two Tight End Sets

Posted by panthers55 on 13 April 2014 - 10:06 AM

If Gettleman sticks to his BPA philosophy then I would think at least one top TE, WR, OL would be there when we pick. I think that we have set up free agency to cover the majority of needs with the exception of left tackle. So really if there is a run on wide receivers and there is more value at tight end I don't think we hesitate to pull the trigger. Still I think that we are going to go OL in the first if there is a projected tackle rated as high as our choices at other desired positions.  Simply because I think that Gettleman's BPA likely groups guys with similar value together and then we pick a guy from that group assuming that there isn't 1 player who is head and shoulders above the others.

Would I be happy with drafting a TE high in the draft?  I wanted Olsen when he was drafted although we never have drafted a TE that high.  So if there were a dominant guy out there I would love picking him.  I know we have a new regime, but I have never seen us go TE that high so it is hard to believe we would do it now.  But finding a Vernon Davis or a Gonzales would help Cam for the next 5-7 years and be easier to resign than a top WR.  SO yeah I am board.  

#2737175 Would Gettleman have drafted Cam?

Posted by panthers55 on 12 April 2014 - 08:32 AM

There really isn't a comparison as far as who is a better GM, far too early to tell. I think we can all agree that Star fell to Gettleman. And KK was a solid pick up, but better picks could have been made. AJ Klein has a promising future, but the other two were no factors. Let's not try to compare the two on who's better, way too early.

I think it is too early to judge the draft picks that Gettleman brought in but it isn't too early to judge which one is a better negotiator which is a big part of finding talent.  Hurney hit on first rounders but wasn't so good trading up or picking guys in the middle rounds.

Plus Hurney didn't have the ability to let guys walk away and negotiate toughly.  Gettleman might not be great down the road but letting Hurney go was the right move and he wasn't the future.

#2736436 Favorite signing?

Posted by panthers55 on 11 April 2014 - 02:41 PM

Hardy was my favorite free agency signing.

#2736426 Trade Up For MIKE EVANS?

Posted by panthers55 on 11 April 2014 - 02:33 PM

Evan is a big guy with average speed who is a converted basketball player.  He might be the next megatron if he ran 4.3 instead of a pedestrian 4.5 but at this point is more of a possession receiver than a field stretcher. He could be an issue if he were paired up with Vincent Jackson in Tampa but he won't make it close enough to our pick to justify trying to trade up in the top 15 to pick him.  Especially when there will be other guys who are comparable later on.  And really we already have a big receiver who ran a 4.47 on his pro day named Greg Olsen who is 6'6" and 254..

#2736206 Steve Wyche comments on NFLN this AM reg Dwill

Posted by panthers55 on 11 April 2014 - 11:35 AM

For many Panthers this is uncharted territory.  Under the old regime it was keep everyone happy.and be mediocre.  Under Gettleman it is different and it is taking folks some time to understand the new NFL and new way to do things.  He, like others, will be fine by the time the season starts.  Or he will be gone as well.  It is up to him to adapt.

#2735518 For whatever you think of Harper...

Posted by panthers55 on 10 April 2014 - 09:39 PM

I'm not "excusing" it.  It's just reality. 

You can be fiery but you don't have to be dirty.  Obviously I didn't play sports at anything close to a pro level but I can honestly say that I never was dirty no matter how pissed or what was said on the field.  Guys who are dirty players are piss poor human beings with questionable morals and values.  That is reality also.

#2735495 For whatever you think of Harper...

Posted by panthers55 on 10 April 2014 - 09:27 PM

I don't think I will like him no matter what.  I don't like cheap shot artists whether they are on my side or not.  Not being a better than though kind of guy I just have never liked guys who have to resort to dirty tactics to win.

#2735451 We signed DeCoud!

Posted by panthers55 on 10 April 2014 - 09:04 PM

Decoud did fall off last year but who on the Falcons didn't? When you only win a few games in a season it is hard to get psyched to give maximum effort.  When the falcons were winning all those games he was a pro bowler.  Seems to me he is the kind of player who is more of a follower than a leader and reflects the team and how it is doing. So for him to return to form he needs a good defense and for us to be a winning team.  Honestly that seems doable at this point.  There is little to assume that he will continue to struggle and this is what often happens when teams have a bad year.  They often overreact and get rid of good players who had a down year as well as the poor ones in hopes of somehow turning things around right away.

#2732191 Colin Cole re-signs with Panthers

Posted by panthers55 on 08 April 2014 - 07:56 PM

Cole was out of football for 2 years so it is understandable that he would struggle some particularly early.But he was very instrumental to our defense when Star hit the rookie wall around game 12 or 13.  PFF is a fine site for what it does but the problem with any site like that is that evaluating a player without knowing what the defensive scheme was that was called and what his individual responsibilities are on each play often will grade a player based on subjective criteria which gets passed off as an objective analysis.

#2731614 Agree/disagree: LaFell is better than Cotchery, Underwood, and Avant

Posted by panthers55 on 08 April 2014 - 12:32 PM

LaFell is gone for a reason and it isn't just money.  WE really didn't see him as the future.  Why are Avant and Cotchery here?  To provide some production and mentor the young guys.  That alone is reason enough to put them ahead of LaFell.  LaFell wasn't a leader and in fact needed mentoring. He was never going to be a number 1.  His production hadn't improved and he didn't have great upside.  Underwood has much more potential than LaFell which puts him ahead of him as well.  I don't know he would be a number 1 but he can take the top off and go deep which we need.


LaFell in a different situation with a different team might have great production elsewhere. He just was going nowhere here and wasn't worth what NE paid for us to keep him.  So it isn't who is going to be better since LaFell wasn't the answer and both Avant and Cotchery are short term fixes while we build our receiver corps for the future.  It is who is right for this team now and just from a dollar point of view those 3 cost less than LaFell did by himself.

#2730744 Panthers Sign Avant to 1 Year Deal

Posted by panthers55 on 07 April 2014 - 08:18 PM

Pretty much. Or instead of 2 we only take 1. Or instead of grabbing a better talent early we decide to wait a few rounds.

In a vacuum it's a nice signing, and veterans are of course important to have around, I just hope it doesn't mean we pass on a young, high potential player or two.

It's probably less an implication and more my own inference, since we normally keep six WRs and I doubt we'd cut any of these three.

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The whole point of free agency is to take care of needs so Gettleman can pick BPA which is the best way to make the team talent better.  Still I can't imagine that we won't take a WR in the first 3 rounds unless we take a TE instead and a wide receiver later.  Still these vets signed so cheaply that we really don't have to keep them around for fear we will lose much.  As for keeping only 6 guys, don't be surprised if one of the draftees or new guys ends up with a mystery injury and goes on IR.  Particularly when at least 1 guy can come back during the season. 

#2730603 Panthers Sign Avant to 1 Year Deal

Posted by panthers55 on 07 April 2014 - 07:05 PM

I promised myself I was going to sit back and not comment. But I can't help it. You guys are like the damn little aliens from Toy Story and Gettleman is the claw. Our WRs right now are not better than last year, not even a smidge. Steve Smith is a border line Hall of Famer, Lafell is better than Avant, drops and all and Underwood ain't Ginn. I don't mind all the blind optimism, but come on man can we at least be honest with ourselves??

You are the one that has so much negative to say about the whole offseason that it is you wouldn't or can't admit that Gettleman might actually have a decent plan.


Underwood is not a returner but as a receiver he actually is better than Ginn.  He is every bit as fast and has surer hands.  He is only going to get better.  He is going to be a big surprise this year.  Cotchery is better than LaFell and that isn't even close.

As for Smitty, he may be a hall of famer but he is a long way past his prime and was going to be a slot receiver this year which is exactly what Avant is at this point.  Sure Smitty was a lot better a few years ago but would he have been better this year?  And the answer is not that clear or definitive.  

Right now the guys we have added as a group might be equal to what we lost at a fraction of what it would have cost us to keep who we had.

If you want others to be honest with themselves how about taking a long hard in the mirror first.

#2730565 Panthers Sign Avant to 1 Year Deal

Posted by panthers55 on 07 April 2014 - 06:50 PM

You chose to pick him as your example, please don't blame that on me. No need to be rude.

What you call rude I call pointing out a major flaw in your thinking which you can work on if you want people here to actually consider your arguments valid.  Your choice to ignore or benefit from it.

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