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#3303149 Panthers claim OT Jonathan Martin

Posted by panthers55 on 27 March 2015 - 10:20 PM

I am excited Martin is here. With our locker room and with Rivera's support there is every reason to believe that Martin can return to his former level. What a no-brainer. Who gets a potential left or right starting NFL tackle off waivers unless there were issues. I don't think that football has to include bullying and intimidation. Particularly from your own guys. I hope he can contribute and fit in. A win- win for everyone. What is there not to like?

#3301569 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by panthers55 on 27 March 2015 - 08:28 AM

On and on.  One question?  How fair is it to compare even contemporaries on passing ratings when they operate in different systems.



 Are we really going to compare completion rates for a QB in a short passing WCO where many throws are 5 yard dumpoffs to backs in the flat or simply slants and crossing patterns with a quarterback running a vertical passing attack emphasizing the deep ball and intermediate to long out routes for example.   

#3301219 Notes, Quotes, and Video from ECU Pro Day

Posted by panthers55 on 26 March 2015 - 08:26 PM

so many ECU homers who are overhyping this guy

Just the opposite. Hardy is one of the most underrated guy out there. Frankly he deserves the hype. ECU fans are excited about him because they have watched him as a receiver and a returner. He might run the best routes of anyone in college. Anyone. He makes incredible grabs in the seams and can stretch the field. Best of all if he gets one of his mitts on the ball he catches it.

Once he learns how to get off the line on press coverage, he will be a force wherever he goes. And that is not hype.....

#3301162 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by panthers55 on 26 March 2015 - 07:56 PM

I mostly agree, but if I'm DG, I'm still signing him. I'm not waiting on the mechanics/consistency, because most people can see the amount of work, and willingness to get better, that Cam puts in. I'm of the opinion that it will get there very soon. Probably quicker if they can help him with a better o-line as well.

On the one thing in bold, I think you have to take a deeper look at. On the stat sheets, it's 100% true. However, if there was a stat that showed how many hits/sacks Cam avoided compared to Brady, how would that stat look? Probably very skewed. That's just a huge difference in athleticism, but it doesn't put our o-lines on equal ground. You have to consider it I think. Like I said though, I mostly agree.

I agree that I DG needs to sign Cam long term and pay him what he deserves. The guy the year before Cam was drafted made a ton more than Cam did and has done half as much. We really did get him for cheap which is why taking him was a no brainer. He was a tremendous athlete who wanted to learn and get better who was playing in a simple system. You aren't investing 100 million on.a guy who might be a beast or a bust, you are investing 22 and this year 14 more. A great return on your investment for five years of hard work by a quarterback who has had to carry the team on his back at times. There aren't 32 franchise quarterbacks in the league or everyone would have one. Cam is one and is only scratching his potential which make a continued investment in Newton mandatory. I think that anyone who disagrees and doesn't covet our guy must think that elite quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. As a panther fan who has experienced guys like Peete, Weinke, Carr, and Clausen, I was overjoyed when we drafted Cam who was the most physically gifted quarterback in our franchise history. And I am still optimistic given last year he showed his toughness and grit regardless of our record or his individual stats. He was not only a leader but he never quit and showed up healthy or hurt. You can coach heart and he showed that in spades.

#3299771 Team by Team free Agent Grades

Posted by panthers55 on 25 March 2015 - 10:34 PM

Seems to me that many times those who finish higher in these ratings meaning that they spent a ton to bring in big name guys, finish near the bottom in regular season rankings. Last years big winner was Tampa, Lol.


#3299757 Uh...CJ Making an Astute Observation about the Current Trend in Voluntary Emp...

Posted by panthers55 on 25 March 2015 - 10:24 PM

A great example of people reading a tweet and totally misinterpreting what he was saying.

#3299654 same as last year, Rivera says Cam has got to become a more sound QB

Posted by panthers55 on 25 March 2015 - 09:27 PM

I love how these threads quickly morph into counter attacks against Rivera and everyone's whipping boy, Shula , without acknowledging the elephant in the room. Newton is inconsistent and often lazy in his mechanics often relying on his athleticism. How many guys can even throw the ball 30 yards on a rope off his back foot? Feel free to criticize Rivera and Shula but that doesn't change that he is right on with his comments.

#3298466 Strickland gives synopsis on Gman at NFL Annual Meeting, and some of my thoughts

Posted by panthers55 on 25 March 2015 - 10:04 AM

So I guess that spending 3 million per year on Stevie Johnson for example was just an unreasonable expectation.  I suppose that signing a very fast TE with good hands like Rob Housler who will probably come cheap for example is an unreasonable expectation.  


I am not crazy in thinking that Gettleman could have wording things differently in such a way that bloggers, reporters and writers would have not been carried away with fiscally responsible possibilities, nor am I off base in thinking that we could have done these things and still stuck to the core principle of building through the draft, and filling out holes in the roster with modest free agent signings who would upgraded the roster. 

Again, we can look at everyone who was signed by other teams and make a case that we should have signed them or they were pretty cheap and therefore obtainable.  Gettleman is looking at what he perceives are our needs and trying to fit pieces that meet a need and still are reasonable given that he is one of the few that has the big picture.


You are not crazy in thinking he could have gone in a different direction or for stating your opinion.  Nor is he wrong for not following your opinions and doing things as you think they should be done either.   He has a much better idea of what he thinks our needs are and more importantly what he sees is the potential for many of the people on our roster or in the draft.  For example he may think that Brown is a younger version or Johnson who he can develop this year into a good receiver.  Why buy Jonson for 3 million when you have a receiver with the same potential already on your roster signed for cheap.  Or he may think that since Dickson got significantly better as the season unfolded, there is no need to sign a guy like Housler.


Again I understand that there are multiple ways to solve a problem. I am just not sure that your solution is better than his given he has information you don't and by most accounts is a very good judge of talent. And honestly which GM gives an exact blueprint of what he is going to do do that other teams can upstage him by signing our players first.  Ginn is a serious upgrade over Bersin and a potential 3 or even sometimes 2 receiver with Cam throwing him the ball. He may not be anything but a returner for most teams but for us he was an integral part of the offense.  

#3298244 Strickland gives synopsis on Gman at NFL Annual Meeting, and some of my thoughts

Posted by panthers55 on 25 March 2015 - 05:22 AM

I think if you are very disappointed in free agency this year it has been because your expectations have been unreasonable not that Gettleman hasnt done what he said he was going to do.  The only thing you can be upset about is that Jennings and Ball left without signing. And who is to say they wont still sign?  Free agency has really got multiple layers to it and we aren't through the first one yet. There are still multiple receivers out there like Crabtree for example who are getting little attention and are supposedly waiting for the right deal like Jennings.  Then after the draft there will be another blood letting and again during training camp.


FWIW. I dont think Jennings is worth a big contract.  At 32 he isnt a vertical threat anymore but rather another possession receiver who really isnt going to do that much for us that getting a first or second rounder in the draft wont do.  We have already shown that we can develop rookies into good performers as we did with Benjamin and to a lesser degree Brown when he is healthy.


The biggest areas of need were left tackle and returner and we covered that.  Sure there are other areas we need for depth but we dont have all the holes we had last year with the development of all our rookies during 2014.  So if you are disappointed it isn't Gettleman's fault so much as your own for expecting us to just change our philosophy from building through the draft and finding decent affordable guys in free agency.  A philosophy that we have been using even before Gettleman got here.  Dave is just better with the draft than Hurney was after the first round. 

#3292776 This whole drafting the best player available talk around here is ridiculous

Posted by panthers55 on 20 March 2015 - 05:19 PM

Da fuq are you talking about? Cam was most definitely the BPA. I jest, but he was, and still is of that draft.

Yep. 4 quarterbacks drafted in the first round and only he is still in the league. Maybe Watt and Jones have been bigger stars but in terms of who has would have had the most impact would any of them meant more to us than Cam. I would rather see Cam throwing to Benjamin than I would have Clausen throwing to Jones or Watt making the defense even better but having a moribund offense whose point output increased dramatically once Cam took over. Cam is the best thing that has happened to the Panthers since Jake and Steve were tearing up the league. Everyone knows that including Gettleman. Look how long Eli was ordinary before he took them to the Super Bowl.

But I am preaching to the choir. We agree...

#3291985 We sign Ball, Bucks sign Sterling Moore

Posted by panthers55 on 20 March 2015 - 08:42 AM

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree. That line of thinking is what got us that group we had last year... The idea that a group can collectively act as a #2 is a lie. I agree, the entire corps needs upgrading as a whole, but we absolutely need a #1/#2 talent to line up with KB and more talented depth. Cotch and Avant showed what happens when you plug guys into that #2 role when they aren't meant to be in it. They can't get separation,they struggle to make catches that should otherwise be easy... Cotch needs talented guys from 1 through 4 to do what he does best - working out of the slot... If I see Cotch lined up on the outside this year and running a go route, I may have to cut myself.

So if we draft a receiver in the first or second round then that is our number 2. That leaves Ginn as the 3 and brown, Cotchery , and whoever as the 4 or 5. When your leading receiver is Olsen and KB is a beast, you really don't need a bunch of other free agent pickups over who we have. It isn't like we line up in 4 wide packages that much with Olsen at tight end. We are not Green Bay or some other WCO. We use the running game much more than teams that always throw the ball. I don't see the need to stockpile free agent wide receivers. If we get one more vet that will be more than enough IMO.

#3291674 Want speed and a WR that can seperate? Meet Devin Smith aka Mr. Separation

Posted by panthers55 on 19 March 2015 - 10:45 PM

I think that Smith is a very athletic and instinctive player.  He is a talent.  I just think we have to decide what we want in a receiver.  Are we looking for a receiver who is also tall and strong like Benjamin so we have twin bookends or do we want a guy who will complement Benjamin, like a 6 ft. speedster who can take the top off, or a superb route runner.  Do we want him to have returner skills or is that covered by Ginn for the next 2 years.

The guys we value throughout the draft wont necessarily be the guy that Kiper will be putting up as the next best player unless he fits what we are trying to accomplish with our picks. It seems that up and down the board we are picking up guys who are big whether that is in the secondary or in the trenches. It appears our philosophy may be that you can teach technique and develop a player's skills but you cant coach to be big. You either are or you aren't. It will be interesting to see how he builds this team. So far I am encouraged..

#3291636 Dallas Sportscaster blasts Cowboys for signing Hardy

Posted by panthers55 on 19 March 2015 - 10:17 PM

Yeah, the job of the judge in the bench trial is to determine if there's enough smoke to justify a guilty verdict so the case can be sent to trial. 


The bench trial is so important that the court doesn't record it, defendant has to pay for their own stenographer... that tells you all you really need to know about the legitimacy of the bench trial. 

I suspect that the reality was that Hardy agreed to the bench trial on the advice of his attorney so the prosecution would show all of their evidence so they could see what they were up against. I doubt they thought he would be found guilty. They had to regroup and appeal. Then he was placed on the exempt list and there was no urgency to appeal.  He was getting his 13 million for sitting around.  I didn't hear that he even practiced meaning he did virtually nothing. As the appeal approached they decided to ensure they wouldn't have to risk another guilty verdict by settling. It is hard to say he was hurt by it in the end.  He got paid 13 million for nothing and he can get paid another 13 million minus whatever it costs per game based on his suspension. If he plays well for sixteen games he will be 26 million to the good for 17 games work and he will have the chance to still cash in on a long term deal. The only folks who got screwed were the Panthers and their fans. 

#3288321 Bill Polian interview on WooFNZ

Posted by panthers55 on 17 March 2015 - 03:09 PM

If you listen to Polian quite a bit you know that he can be opinionated which sometimes clouds his judgement. But he does know football and is a fairly good judge of an organization and what it takes to build a good team. He was the GM for the only time that Buffalo has contended consistently for a super bowl. Then he went to Carolina where he was charged with building a contender right away. He took us to a win in the playoffs in only year 2. Then he went to Indy where he built them through the draft and did so very successfully. In each place he had different challenges and did them fairly well. He is far from a hack and anyone who thinks that is the case is just demonstrating how little they know about football and about Polian.

#3288242 Bill Polian interview on WooFNZ

Posted by panthers55 on 17 March 2015 - 02:22 PM

Pollen is spot on. The organization is being run right at present. No one is talking about the past simply the present. Secondly If people would stop being so defensive about Cam they would know that Polian is saying the same thing that Gettleman and Rivera has said. Cam is an incredible physical specimen but he still is learning for example how to throw to spots instead of waiting for the receiver to clear. He is still learning to read defenses and figure out what he needs to do. He came into the league with one year D1 experience starting and that was with a simplified system that didn't really teach him about NFL defenses. He has made tremendous progress but is still behind guys like Luck and Wilson who came into the league after 4 years of college and were more pro ready than Cam.
He is definitely our franchise guy and should be paid a ton but let's not underestimate the distinct disadvantage he had coming into the league which he made up for initially with athletic ability but ultimately needs to be overcome with experience and time.