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#2390382 Are Cam and Rivera adjoined at the hip?

Posted by teeray on 21 September 2013 - 08:38 AM

JR has said Cam will be his last QB.

Unless something has happened to sour that relationship I dont think Cam is going anywhere.

There is also the fact that Cam is young and good with mountains of untapped potential. Only an idiot would part ways with him.

#2390210 Why do you believe in God?

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 10:36 PM

I am not a historical or religious scholar and I don't have strong enough views on this subject matter to put up much of a fight one way or another.

But in terms of Christianity more so than God itself, although it is not unanimous, most historians believe that Jesus did indeed walk the Earth and was enough of a threat to religious orthodoxy at the time that he was given a death reserved for the most heinous of criminals.

That in itself is not a proof of God but it is proof of a person who did exist and who made enormous waves during his time here. That gives some credence to Christianity even if it is short of proof of God or Jesus being a divine being.

And although I consider myself a Christian I am extremely liberal in my interpretation of the Bible, and do not take in particular the Old Testament as a literal interpretation of history.

In other words although I consider myself a Christian I do pick and choose what to believe and what personal path to follow.

I personally find it arrogant to belittle people of faith based on that faith. To use an earlier example, if someone wants to believe that there is a purple octopus in the sky, and that octopus gives them a sense of joy or security, if I can't prove that the octopus doesn't exist, even if I think it is absurd, who am I to take that from them?

I find it equally abhorrent for people to use religion as a shield to belittle, or ostracize others, or even kill others because they don't believe in your purple octopus. However, in my opinion that is about the people committing these acts and not about the God in which they do these acts in the name of.

Religion is just a convenient shield for those people. If religion didn't exist they would use another guise for their hatred, or someone would use another entity to brainwash people into committing these acts.

In other words religion is the vehicle that is used to commit these actions, not religion itself.

Again, I am not as well versed in history as some of you, but that is my two cents.

#2390181 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 09:49 PM

You know why people bash cam instead of the team? Because fans here defend him all the time for better or worse. You did it with Jake and know you are doing it with Cam. Yes football is a team sport so stop acting like Cam cant make mistakes. He is, so is a lot of players on the team.

The difference is that most of us are not saying Cam doesn't make mistakes. Most of us aren't saying he can't improve on some things.

The thing that most of us are saying is that some of our fans and a lot of people in the media are being overly critical of Cam and seem to have some unrealistic expectation of what Cam should be demanded to achieve in order to satisfy them.

And Jake was a very good QB all the way until.he wasn't.

#2389980 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 07:34 PM

How has the Panthers done so far in the redzone this year?

4 trips and 2 TDs so 50%. Last year we were at 59% which was top 10.

#2389941 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 06:52 PM

He had at least a couple of those exact plays last week and he threw the ball into the stands. The reason some of the pass plays seem to take so long to develop is because Cam is slow with his read progression. But his passing ability is not the problem with this team. He has a great arm and he can make some incredible passes.

He had one throw where he overthrew Armanti on a quick WR screen. No doubt it was a bad throw but those things happen.

Hell when Peyton Manning went bananas on opening day he short hopped a similar throw only the receiver was closer and running toward him.

People say he can't throw these short passes, against Seattle he had only three throws that went over 10 yards and completed 70% of his passes even with at least two drops.

If you only focus on the handful of bad passes he makes of course you can nitpick these things. But when you compare him to QBs across the league I don't see evidence that he misses more than most other QBs.

More than the true greats in the league sure. He is not on that level yet and maybe never will be. But he is fine with his accuracy when compare to other QBs. Doesn't mean he is perfect and doesn't need to improve. Just that he isn't unusually inaccurate.

#2389853 Too much pressure on Cam Newton to win

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 05:34 PM

If a QB is pressing help him out with some simple reads and easier throws.

Just because Cam is usually very good throwing down field doesn't mean we have to chuck it every play.

Everyone bitched about the play calling in the Seattle game but I thought it was pretty good and would rather see that then what we did against Buffalo

#2389804 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 05:03 PM

The simple truth, if we start winning this all goes away.

When you lose they try to explain why, when you win they try to explain why. And unfortunately the QB gets the brunt of that blame.

I have studied QBs a long time. I really do try to understand what is going on and ignore all the outside noise.

Cam is fine. He is not elite passing the ball, but he is good at passing the ball.

If any expert wants to go point for point on this I would oblige them. And I think I can hold my own and am comfortable with my opinion.

A couple more things. Cam is still learning. He is still behind the other young QBs who were three and four year starters in college. And also, despite what experts and media tell you, year three is not some magical year where QBs should have it all figured out. Most QBs it takes about 4 to 5 seasons including guys like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and Big Ben and Joe Montana and.....

#2389767 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 04:37 PM

BTW it is early but the Bills have faced Cam and Brady to this point and have only given up 4 TDs in 26 defensive possessions (we had 12 possessions and Pats had 14) That is pretty strong. The two Brady TDs I believe came off of short fields after turnovers (something we couldn't do :()

The Bills defense is better than people think, or at least so far they have looked pretty good.

#2389756 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 04:28 PM

The other thing people forget is that for every play he does not make that people erroneously think every QB makes he makes another play that must QBs can't make with his strength and scrambling ability.

#2389751 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 04:25 PM

Cam I thought actually had a really good game against Seattle.

Others got to caught up in the fact he only had 125 yards or whatever it was.

#2389717 Josh Thomas is Out for Sunday (Responds to Fan on Twitter)

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 04:01 PM

Put PhillyB on the case

#2389713 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 04:00 PM

Man, before this season I would have agreed with you but there's no way in hell anyone would prefer Cam over Wilson or Kaepernick at this moment in time.

Are we giving Kaep a pass for looking 10x worse against Seattle than Cam did?

#2389698 Greg Cosell: Cam has no consistency

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 03:54 PM

I have never seen an inconsistent passer who doesn't see the field have this much success throwing the ball in the NFL in their first two seasons. Mainly because no one has had this much success.

But I have seen a bunch of "big men with big arms" completely suck in the NFL.

Keep calling him an expert if you want. He sounds like an idiot to me.

#2389181 Last team to go 0-3 and make the playoffs....

Posted by teeray on 20 September 2013 - 06:39 AM

The point is if we do go 0-3, there isn't much worth discussing. Just another lame duck season and try to enjoy meaningless wins as they come.

Until we are mathematically eliminated I am going to keep hope.

You look at that and see that it is nearly impossible, I look at that and see that it has been done before.

We have a window of opportunity coming up in October. But by losing to Buffalo put us in a position that we have to go 4-0 in October.

So I am going to hold out hope until we lose one of those games.

Regardless, Sunday is another incredibly important game if we want to have any chance. I am just trying to stay in a positive frame of mind (pretty much unsuccessfully because you keep reminding me how bleak our chances are :P)

#2388958 Need Prayers and a thank you to the Huddle

Posted by teeray on 19 September 2013 - 09:00 PM

I usually don't do things like this but basically need to vent. My step dad is dying. He was diagnosed pancreatic cancer over a year ago so I feel fortunate that he has made it this long, but it has now started to spread and vital organs are starting to malfunction. I was just with him these last few days. He was hanging in there but clearly struggling but he was still making plans for one last big get together with the family in October. I just got back home and within hours of walking in the door he has been rushed to the hospital.

My mother is the only one down there to care for him when us children cannot be there (they live on the Crystal Coast) She is in complete denial, is depressed, and has basically turned a borderline useless alcoholic. She is supposed to be taking care of him but some days she doesn't even get out of bed. It has created resentment toward her throughout both families, ours and his. As his health declines so does hers. She has developed acute asthma and at times has trouble breathing.

This has been a tough time for me and my family. Those of you that are religious I ask for your prayers for my family, and those that are not please just send us quiet wishes of strength for him and my mom.

Also want to thank you guys and gals on the Huddle. This place is always a welcome distraction. Arguing about Cam Newton or talking poo about Rivera is always a way to get my mind off of real problems. No matter if we go 0-16 there is always more important things (although losing fugging heartbreakers like last week is rough on the nerves as well). But this place always give me something to laugh about or debate about and that is always welcome.

Again, I don't usually do threads like this but am just venting off some emotion as I await to hear back from the folks at the hospital. Hopefully he will be back to his house by Sunday because he still enjoys cheering on the Panthers.

Thanks and sorry this is so long and glum. Go Panthers!

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