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#2046404 Not being a negative nancy, just a realist.

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

if the chargers had a decent pass rush i'd be worried.

they don't so i'm not.

and they really haven't had to face any mobile QBs this year either. cam should be fine.

#2046394 Pro Football Weekly hearing Chip Kelly to the Panthers

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

And to be clear, not a fan of Kelly as Panthers head coach.

Long held preference for guys that have worked their way up in the pro game. Yes, there are examples of successes and failures on both sides of the coin, but I think the transition from college to pro is tougher than that from coordinator/assistant to head coach.

Where I believe we failed with Rivera is the lack of anyone with head coaching experience on staff in order to help him with learning the job.

i don't agree with the bolded part at all, but i do agree with the rivera comment.

what i have said all along is that i don't love that kelly's got no NFL experience, but i think that there's not really that much that he'd have to adjust to if he's as bright as everyone who knows him, whose studied him, and who's worked with him. it will come rather easily. to make sure the transition is there, though, i absolutely want on his staff a lot of NFL experienced coaches who can act as advisors as far as getting used to the NFL goes. i think that's just as needed as rivera needed someone with HC experience on his staff.

i think some options would definitely be safer than kelly, but i doubt any has as high as a ceiling as he does. it's the same thing with newton. people were concerned about him being pro ready, that he wouldn't be able to do the same things in the pros that he did in college, that his lack of playing in a "pro system" (and i still laugh every time i see someone refer to the spread as anything other than a pro offense) was supposed to be something that held him back...but it didn't. he adjusted just fine and kelly would to. i know....being a coach is different than being a QB. what makes people successful, esp. in being a coach isn't the system they use, it's their use of it and the way they build their team and if they can get their team to buy into what they are doing and the ability to adapt what you do to make it work. i see no reason that kelly couldn't do that.

#2046276 Pro Football Weekly hearing Chip Kelly to the Panthers

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

I just don't want an Oregon offense here. We obviously see what Cam can do when we limit the read option college bullcrap. When we run the ball and use play action (traditional) Cam is a beast and we put up points. I'm afraid that Chip would bring his scheme here and we would have a Chud type problem again...

what makes you think that kelly is trapped/locked into that read option stuff and that he wouldn't adapt?

he's already said he would and those who have worked with him said that he adapts what he does to the personnel he has.

i've said it before, the problem with chud was that he tried locking newton and the offense into some new creative mold where he should have just used an adaptable offense like he did last year...which is what kelly does.

But how would Kelly, who runs anything but a typical pro-style system, make his offense work in the NFL?

Kelly says he’d make it work just fine.

In an interview with KJR in Seattle, Kelly said that good coaches adapt their systems to the type of players they have, and that he could adapt his own spread offense to work in the NFL.

No one can be married to one thing, because it’s all personnel-driven,” Kelly said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. “It’s like the Denver Broncos. What John Fox did in Denver with The Golden Calf of Bristol was outstanding because he looked at what he had for a player and said, ‘Hey, we’re going to run this.’ Now, all of a sudden, they have Peyton Manning and they’re not going to run the same plays. . . . It’s a personnel-driven game and I think the coaches that are the best at it can adapt their systems to the NFL.”

The Buccaneers’ personnel would seem to suit Kelly’s offense reasonably well, as Josh Freeman is a mobile quarterback who can make plays with his feet as well as his arm, and LeGarratte Blount played in Kelly’s offense at Oregon. So from an Xs and Os perspective, Kelly might not have needed to make radical changes. That may be one reason that coaching the Bucs is something Kelly says he very seriously considered.
From a game strategy perspective, Kelly might have been the most unconventional coaching choice in NFL history: Kelly does things his own way on game day, ranging from the way he goes for two far more often than other coaches to the way he calls trick plays and deep passes in situations when other coaches play it safe. At the college level, Kelly runs a football team unlike anything the NFL has ever seen.

he will have his own slant on things that will be different than most coaches in the league, but i can promise you that it won't be the exact same thing he does in oregon. the no huddle hurry up offense will probably be there as will his aggressive game management and it will be a spread of some kind, but it won't be the same thing.

he diagnoses what defenses does and then changes his play calling to take advantage of weaknesses they present and he allows the QB to make those calls on the line regularly.

chud was just to inflexible in what he was doing and was unwilling to deviate from his original plan. it wasn't the scheme that was the problem. it was the play-calling and game management.

#2046204 Pro Football Weekly hearing Chip Kelly to the Panthers

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

Valid points. I have also heard that he is well respected among the NFL.

the guy runs a tight, no nonsense program.

and i don't mean he's some strict disciplinarian, either. he knows how to maximize time both in games and in practice.

everything is about getting the most out of every minute whether in a game or in practice.

the thing i've heard about his practices is that they are as up-tempo as his games are.

i thought this was a great explanation of what his practices and his team culture is like from a NY Times piece

Why do Kelly’s schemes allow just about any quarterback to lead the Ducks to the top of college football’s statistical categories?

The answer comes from the blur that is an Oregon practice, a kaleidoscope of colors, whistles and music. The practices are so intense that even team managers have to tape their ankles, and they illustrate the white-knuckle philosophy of a program designed to leave opponents in its wake.

“The tempo is unique,” said the former N.F.L. coach Jon Gruden, who nearly took a job at Oregon to learn Kelly’s offense. “They’re not the only no-huddle, but they’re as fast as any team that plays football.”

Other programs pride themselves on tempo, but Gruden said he had never seen an operation that was both this fast and this refined. Oregon’s practices last two hours, an hour less than a typical college practice, and there is so little time between plays that coaches must do their teaching with only a few words or wait until the film room. Kelly said that practice had become so sophisticated and fluid that getting off 30 snaps in a 10-minute period had become common.

That relentless pace and superior conditioning help explain how Oregon has outscored its opponents, 86-7, in the second half this season without ever running that staple of football conditioning drudgery — wind sprints.

“Practice is a wind sprint,” said Nate Costa, Oregon’s backup quarterback. “There’s no real need to do that additionally.”

The high-speed practices mean that wide receivers must learn to run backward to the huddle to see the next play. Receivers are taught not to chase after missed passes and to sprint to the referee, who is a manager wearing an official’s jersey, to hand him the ball after a completion. Obviously, the Ducks cannot start their next play until the referee spots the ball.

Four managers signal plays at all times in practice, with three using hand signals and another holding up large cue cards that feature everything from the “Caddyshack” gopher to a picture of the ESPN anchor Scott Van Pelt. In some drills, managers posing as defensive linemen wear concoctions of duct tape and cardboard — inspired by samurai flags Kelly saw in a movie — that mimic the size of a tall defensive lineman with his arms outstretched.

“I was dizzy walking off the field,” Gruden said. “It’s a philosophy that is the damndest thing I’ve ever seen. I love it and can’t get enough of it.”

This cacophony has become a must-see stop for other coaches. Kelly said that Boise State Coach Chris Petersen and Kevin Wilson, Oklahoma’s offensive coordinator, came through during spring practice.

“The N.F.L. scouts on the sideline, the first time they come and watch practice, they’re like, ‘What the heck is this?’ ” Costa said. “They’re mesmerized by it. There’s nothing like it.”

An eclectic music shuffle constantly blares to simulate crowd noise. Songs include the symbolic (“Sympathy for the Devil” before the Arizona State game); the hip (tracks from the rapper Drake); and the out of place (“Circle of Life” from “The Lion King”). For good measure, the players hurry around attired in the Ducks’ dizzying yellow and green color scheme.

“Our practices are bedlam,” said the offensive line coach Steve Greatwood, who did request more variety from Kelly’s music playlist. “Not enough country for me,” he said.
“When he talks to the team, he doesn’t need to do it for an extended period,” Unger said. “He’s to the point. Everyone sits up and listens.”
Oregon had run elements of a no-huddle before Kelly’s arrival, but the pace of his practices required adjustments from players and coaches.

“In the old days, you could pull aside a guy while they huddled up,” said Mike Bellotti, Oregon’s former coach. “You do that now and you would miss five plays.”
Because Oregon’s offense will score so frequently, Kelly keeps his defense fresh by using 25 players — 9 defensive linemen, 6 linebackers and 10 defensive backs — every game.

“The only way to get in shape for the no-huddle is you have to be competing against it and running it,” said Ed Dickson, a former tight end for the Ducks.
“I was so eager to learn it, I almost took the job,” said Gruden, who turned down a shot to become Kelly’s offensive coordinator to become an ESPN analyst. “My wife said, ‘Are you the craziest human being alive, you want to move to Oregon to learn an offense?’

“I said: ‘But Cindy, it’s the Oregon spread. It’s unbelievable.’ She didn’t see it from my point of view.”

#2046005 Pro Football Weekly hearing Chip Kelly to the Panthers

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 01:26 PM

But, can that system/offensive style be successful in the NFL? That is the real question.

yes. it is being used and it is successful.

the pats went to him about how to run a no huddle hurry up offense and they are now using it very successfully.

teams are using spread offenses quite well and he's not locked into the read option. he uses it because it works with the personnel he has, the limited time he has with his players, and against the opponents they play against.

many teams are using concepts of his already...they are trying to imitate or at least incorporate what he does on offense and in regards to game management. he's the real deal, tho.

#2045974 Pro Football Weekly hearing Chip Kelly to the Panthers

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

makes sense.

cam is the prototype QB for his offense and cam thrived under a very similar system/offensive style.

i'd love it.

#2045930 Goodell wants to expand playoffs?

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

Jared Allen pretty much echoes my sentiments from yesterday.


how much more does it "damage the sport" when a 7-9 team gets in just because they were the turd that floated to the top of their division.

what makes more sense, allowing another team with a winning record to enter the playoffs and provide more quality competition or maintaining the status quo where it's possible for a 10 win team to sit at home come playoff time while a 7-9 team gets to keep on playing?

#2045901 Camolina Camthers?

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 12:37 PM

Camolina homers

i wear that t-shirt with pride...and it has on the back the words "suck it, hater"

#2045670 Overlooked stat for Cam

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

I don't get you PFFL

Cam's playing better, no one said he didn't make his mistakes earlier in the year, and he still has some accuracy issues.

But he still isn't playing well enough for you.

He's young, he's 23, he still has some maturing to do but he's doing a MUCH better job of ball security and being a leader. But it's just not enough for you.

So you have to let everyone else know that he doesn't make you happy even though, quite frankly, no one gives a flying fug.

i've got a suggestion for you and marguide (and everyone else, for that matter)...follow this example

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#2045650 Goodell wants to expand playoffs?

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

For those who can't get around Goodell... Bill Polian was just on Mike and Mike and he said they already studied this and ran numbers on it 6 or 7 years ago. He said the models showed that 14 teams was the ideal number and said (as I did earlier in the thread), it would give teams a greater reason to play all the way through the season. It would keep teams competitive to the very end.

He also said originally they discussed if they expanded to 14 teams that they would reduce the number of first-round byes to one per conference. Then he said if they expanded the regular season that it's possible they would add another first-round bye per conference.

Again, I think it would be nothing but good for the game.

it just makes sense, but the level of irrational hate towards Goodell and/or the owners (who provide an opportunity for the game to be played at all) keeps them from being able to see anything that might make the game better.

#2045637 Goodell wants to expand playoffs?

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 09:00 AM

again, what's so special about the current play-off model...what makes it perfect?

what is so great about it that it should be left alone?

watered down...meh. what waters it down more, a 7-9 team that makes it into the playoffs because it has the benefit of being in a sucky division or one that brings more quality competition by allowing in another team with a winning record?

what's so bad about bringing in more competition for weaker teams who shouldn't be in there to begin with or presenting more of a way for a championship team to prove itself?

#2045505 Overlooked stat for Cam

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 01:23 AM

chargers have given up 9 passing TDs in the last 4 games.

raiders have given up 8 in that same time and so have the saints.

i like cam's chances.

#2045485 Overlooked stat for Cam

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 12:49 AM

I wouldn't trade Cam for Andy in any scenario. AJ is awesome, but I don't think you're giving their very good defense much credit.

consider who it is you' re talking to.

#2045467 Overlooked stat for Cam

Posted by rayzor on 14 December 2012 - 12:21 AM

i think the next few weeks that cam could catch up with dalton.

next week they've got the TD stingy steelers and the ravens aren't exactly loose with passing TDs (even tho they're giving up the yardage.)'.

meanwhile, we've got the 25th, 27th, and 31st worst passing D' s at giving up TDs.

#2044934 Camolina Camthers?

Posted by rayzor on 13 December 2012 - 04:19 PM

thought this was necessary....

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