Why do people hate Kyle Busch - Page 3

Davidson Deac II · 06-03-2009, 07:12 AM

People hate him because of incidents such as this one.

He drives like Earnhardt senior did, and Earnhardt senior was both the most well liked and hated driver in Nascar when he was at the top of his game.

Tweeder · 06-03-2009, 12:11 PM

ugh I will have to disagree with you somewhat on that one DD.....I would say Busch drives a lot like Earnhardt Sr did at the beginning of his career then he did in the late 80's and forward. I cannot argue with you at all at the beginning of Earnhardt's career, he was wreckless and not a care in the world except winning and it did not matter who he took out(which led to the Earnhardt/Waltrip rivalry)

I would still say Busch is still very wreckless in the way he drives, but you do have a point of him being like Earnhardt....He is more like him then JR has been, because JR would settle for a top 5 where both SR and Busch thought/thinks nothing but 1st place.

Scrumtrilescent · 06-03-2009, 12:41 PM

I have a theory as to Juniors early 2000 success. More about the lack of other top flight talent (it was sorta the time period where the "old guys" were going away. Terry, Jarrett, Elliott, etc. and before the new wave really got established) than just how awesomeo Junya was.

Tweeder · 06-03-2009, 01:16 PM

ehh we will see if this new crew chief thing works out....It is amazing how much a good crew chief will improve a driver

Also, you have to look at JR's involvement, in the early 2000's all he had to do was race......now he owns his own Busch team, he still has dealings with DEI and he did not have to worry about somebody else getting more money then him in his car.

He might turn things around and be successful or he might be this generation's version of Kyle Petty

Davidson Deac II · 06-03-2009, 04:36 PM

Tweeder, remember the infamous pass in the grass race. Earnhardt was one of the most hated men in Nascar after that race. Not because of the pass, but because of the way he beat on Elliot's car for much of the race. Bill was faster for most of the race, but Earnhardt would hit bill's car at the beginning of each segment and caution, finally messing it up enough to slow it down. That was in 1987. And the youtube video I linked which isn't working now was from 1999 when he wrecked Terry Labonte because he couldn't pass Terry. Yea, Earnhardt did calm down some when he got older, but he was every bit as wreckless as Busch is when he was younger.

Fwiw though, I think that Nascar doesn't need to reign Busch in, they need about 10 more just like him to make it more interesting.

Cuttinedge · 06-03-2009, 06:36 PM

They may have similar driving styles. But Busch is a punk . The difference is their personalities. I think about every driver in Nascar could whoop Busch's a$$.
The Intimidator on the other hand didn't take crap from anyone.
Busch is a very talented driver though. He's just got a prima donna attitude

Dang I miss ol Dale

Tweeder · 06-03-2009, 06:45 PM

watching tapes and live from 80-87/88 he was just like Busch, the only really time he got wreckless was the Dega race where he and Rusty got into it, but other than that I do not remember him being wreckless like he was in the beginning of his career until the late 80s. Everything you mentioned except the Labonte thing happened 87 and before. Then in 96 sombody wrecked Earnhardt and he broke a few ribs, a shoulderbone and his ankle. That Bristol race which I was at he tried to pass Labonte 4 or 5 times near the end of the race, and I remmeber hearing Earnhardt said that if Labonte tried blocking him again he would wreck him, because he said it was ridiculous the fact that Labonte would try and hold him up.

That and Busch tries too hard to be the "Bad Guy," where Earnhardt was the Intimadator and really wasn't considered the "Bad Guy" especially throughout the 90's to the end of his life

If I compared anybody overall to Earnhardt it would be Gordon or Stewart (more stewart)unfornately

outlaw4 · 06-03-2009, 08:41 PM

Oh, another reason people hate Kyle Busch...

Every time I pick him for Yahoo fantasy, I always lose a lot of points!

Jackofalltrades · 06-03-2009, 08:46 PM

Most talented driver in NASCAR, unfortunately. He needs to grow up and learn what sportsmanship and accountability are- then I might now wish him to wreck in every race.

Davidson Deac II · 06-03-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuttinedge

They may have similar driving styles. But Busch is a punk . The difference is their personalities. I think about every driver in Nascar could whoop Busch's a$$.
The Intimidator on the other hand didn't take crap from anyone.
Busch is a very talented driver though. He's just got a prima donna attitude

Dang I miss ol Dale

In 87, I thought Earnhardt was a punk. And in some ways, he was. He had his fans, but more disliked him than liked him, at least at that time.

06-03-2009, 07:12 AM	#21
Davidson Deac II Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,381 Pie Slices: 1 Given Pie 7 Times in 7 Posts Rep Power: 12	People hate him because of incidents such as this one. He drives like Earnhardt senior did, and Earnhardt senior was both the most well liked and hated driver in Nascar when he was at the top of his game. Last edited by Davidson Deac II; 06-03-2009 at 07:15 AM.

06-03-2009, 12:41 PM	#23
Scrumtrilescent I aim to misbehave. Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,898,972 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 28 Times in 21 Posts Rep Power: 200	I have a theory as to Juniors early 2000 success. More about the lack of other top flight talent (it was sorta the time period where the "old guys" were going away. Terry, Jarrett, Elliott, etc. and before the new wave really got established) than just how awesomeo Junya was. __________________ Your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

06-03-2009, 06:45 PM	#27
Tweeder Hark the Sound Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 1,722 Pie Slices: 4 Given Pie 3 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 6	watching tapes and live from 80-87/88 he was just like Busch, the only really time he got wreckless was the Dega race where he and Rusty got into it, but other than that I do not remember him being wreckless like he was in the beginning of his career until the late 80s. Everything you mentioned except the Labonte thing happened 87 and before. Then in 96 sombody wrecked Earnhardt and he broke a few ribs, a shoulderbone and his ankle. That Bristol race which I was at he tried to pass Labonte 4 or 5 times near the end of the race, and I remmeber hearing Earnhardt said that if Labonte tried blocking him again he would wreck him, because he said it was ridiculous the fact that Labonte would try and hold him up. That and Busch tries too hard to be the "Bad Guy," where Earnhardt was the Intimadator and really wasn't considered the "Bad Guy" especially throughout the 90's to the end of his life If I compared anybody overall to Earnhardt it would be Gordon or Stewart (more stewart)unfornately Last edited by Tweeder; 06-03-2009 at 06:54 PM.

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outlaw4 Winning Cures Everything Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 852 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 3	Oh, another reason people hate Kyle Busch... Every time I pick him for Yahoo fantasy, I always lose a lot of points! __________________ "Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit" Vince Lombardi Last edited by outlaw4; 06-03-2009 at 08:47 PM.

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06-03-2009, 12:11 PM	#22
Tweeder Hark the Sound Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 1,722 Pie Slices: 4 Given Pie 3 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 6	ugh I will have to disagree with you somewhat on that one DD.....I would say Busch drives a lot like Earnhardt Sr did at the beginning of his career then he did in the late 80's and forward. I cannot argue with you at all at the beginning of Earnhardt's career, he was wreckless and not a care in the world except winning and it did not matter who he took out(which led to the Earnhardt/Waltrip rivalry) I would still say Busch is still very wreckless in the way he drives, but you do have a point of him being like Earnhardt....He is more like him then JR has been, because JR would settle for a top 5 where both SR and Busch thought/thinks nothing but 1st place.

06-03-2009, 01:16 PM	#24
Tweeder Hark the Sound Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 1,722 Pie Slices: 4 Given Pie 3 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 6	ehh we will see if this new crew chief thing works out....It is amazing how much a good crew chief will improve a driver Also, you have to look at JR's involvement, in the early 2000's all he had to do was race......now he owns his own Busch team, he still has dealings with DEI and he did not have to worry about somebody else getting more money then him in his car. He might turn things around and be successful or he might be this generation's version of Kyle Petty

06-03-2009, 04:36 PM	#25
Davidson Deac II Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,381 Pie Slices: 1 Given Pie 7 Times in 7 Posts Rep Power: 12	Tweeder, remember the infamous pass in the grass race. Earnhardt was one of the most hated men in Nascar after that race. Not because of the pass, but because of the way he beat on Elliot's car for much of the race. Bill was faster for most of the race, but Earnhardt would hit bill's car at the beginning of each segment and caution, finally messing it up enough to slow it down. That was in 1987. And the youtube video I linked which isn't working now was from 1999 when he wrecked Terry Labonte because he couldn't pass Terry. Yea, Earnhardt did calm down some when he got older, but he was every bit as wreckless as Busch is when he was younger. Fwiw though, I think that Nascar doesn't need to reign Busch in, they need about 10 more just like him to make it more interesting.

06-03-2009, 06:36 PM	#26
Cuttinedge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 107 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 2	They may have similar driving styles. But Busch is a punk . The difference is their personalities. I think about every driver in Nascar could whoop Busch's a$$. The Intimidator on the other hand didn't take crap from anyone. Busch is a very talented driver though. He's just got a prima donna attitude Dang I miss ol Dale

06-03-2009, 08:46 PM	#29
Jackofalltrades Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 656 Pie Slices: 9 Given Pie 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 3	Most talented driver in NASCAR, unfortunately. He needs to grow up and learn what sportsmanship and accountability are- then I might now wish him to wreck in every race.