D-Will's 2009 production to drop? - Page 2

ncbobcat · 07-03-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainpantherfan

If the following players all play 16 games each, then Williams' numbers will be UP from last year: Gross, Otah, Vincent, Wharton, Kalil. For every game one of those guys miss you can take 50 yards off of his total.

No other variables factor in? A healthy Williams and O-line mean better numbers for DeAngelo than last season. That's some high expectations.

CarolinaPanthers8789 · 07-03-2009, 12:34 PM

PLEASE HELP

I was able to draft both Stewart and Williams, but I have a question should I consider dropping Dominic Rhodes and adding Mike Goodson?

holderoftruth · 07-03-2009, 12:51 PM

Here's my reasoning for why I think Williams and Stewart’s numbers will be less than they were last season.

1. Health- Last season the Panthers stayed relatively healthily. Yes, the panthers had some injuries that had some players sit out for one/two games but we had no Tom Brady impact injury. The past 3-4 seasons injuries have plagued the Panthers. I am not saying that this year we will have the injury bug but based on our past it seems like we will have some injuries to the O-line, and with the lack of experience there it could make it hard to run the football. Even major injuries on defense will hurt the offense.

2. Jake Delhomme- First off I am not bashing Jake in this paragraph. The truth is though that Jake is the weakest part of our offense. No one can deny that. We have one of the best Running back tandem in the NFL, A top 5 Offensive line, and a pro bowl receiver in Smith. Teams understand this and will make Jake beat them, not William/Stewart. The running game will rest on Jakes arm because if he can throw the ball deep and make the safeties not cheat up then their will be room to run the football.

3. Surprise no more- Going into last season, outside of the Carolinas, people had no respect/faith in Our two running backs. Williams never ran the ball more than 150 times a season and was considered to be on the hot seat with the drafting of Stewart. Our two back system surprised everyone including Carolina Fans. Coming into this season defenses will respect our running backs and put 8 guys in the box. This kinda fits in with Jake's ability to throw the football.

With all that being said I don’t think that production will drop by 1,000 yards but I see something like:

Williams- 260 carries 1200 yards 14 TDs
Stewart- 200 carries 860 yards 8 TDs

I also think that Carolina will use Williams in more passing plays/screens and his total yards won’t be far off from last season. I think people are putting too much emphasize on the Schedule. Every year there are teams that surprise people (Falcons/Dolphins) and every year there are teams that disappoint. (Cowboys)

ncbobcat · 07-03-2009, 12:57 PM

That's not unrealistic and still pretty darn good numbers. With the schedule this season and all the things indicated above: health, the Jake question and surprise factor--I highly doubt D-Will can duplicate or improve his last season's numbers. If so, that man should be the NFC starting RB in the Pro Bowl!!!

holderoftruth · 07-03-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaPanthers8789

PLEASE HELP

I was able to draft both Stewart and Williams, but I have a question should I consider dropping Dominic Rhodes and adding Mike Goodson?

Well, you have Rhodes, who for the first 4 games will spilt carries with Fred Jackson due to the suspension of Marshawn Lynch. The bills should be able to run the football better with the addition of TO. As of now Goodson is the third running back for Carolina. I am pretty sure that no one will pick him up so I would keep Rhodes for now.

Just my blurb

bleys · 07-03-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by holderoftruth

Well, you have Rhodes, who for the first 4 games will spilt carries with Fred Jackson due to the suspension of Marshawn Lynch. The bills should be able to run the football better with the addition of TO. As of now Goodson is the third running back for Carolina. I am pretty sure that no one will pick him up so I would keep Rhodes for now.

Just my blurb

call me crazy, but I don't think TO is going to make much of a difference. We'll have to see, but by week4 I think it'll be evident.

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I don't know if I'd take Goodson in this situation. You already have 2 RB's on your fantasy team who are on the same team, which is great out on the field, but fantasy you're going to want more of a contributor than a 3rd RB who may not see as much time as you would like from a FF player...

For that pickup to be beneficial, you're going to have to see DWill or Stew get injured so Goodson sees more time. At this point, it's a major risk...

If you want him for WR purposes, I'd go for a WR who has more of a chance to actually get the ball. Over the years have proven, Goodson may not be as big of a contributor as his potential would appear.

mountainpantherfan · 07-03-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ncbobcat

No other variables factor in? A healthy Williams and O-line mean better numbers for DeAngelo than last season. That's some high expectations.

The only factor that could change things would be the play calling. But I really don't see Fox allowing Davidson to go air attach after the playoff game. If all are healthy then his numbers should go up.

Mintal · 07-03-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainpantherfan

The only factor that could change things would be the play calling. But I really don't see Fox allowing Davidson to go air attach after the playoff game. If all are healthy then his numbers should go up.

We're in the minority it seems. I know it's safe to say his numbers will go down, but with the same line having a year together, even with a tougher schedule I think his numbers will be consistent or go up, slightly. He did set a high bar last year...

bleys · 07-03-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mintal

We're in the minority it seems. I know it's safe to say his numbers will go down, but with the same line having a year together, even with a tougher schedule I think his numbers will be consistent or go up, slightly. He did set a high bar last year...

I think these group of guys being together for a 2nd year on the oline is going to be huge, and to think we won't contend with this years schedule is simply ignoring that fact.

natty · 07-03-2009, 02:49 PM

I think he'll drop a little bit in production, but will still be very effective. Remember, this time last year everyone just wanted a RB that could crack 1000 yards. I think he can come close to the same yardage, but it'll be damn hard to repeat 20 TDs. Defense are going to play us a lot safer than last year. It's no secret that we have a big play offense so expect us to see bend-but-don't-break type defenses to force us into long drives.

07-03-2009, 12:34 PM	#12
CarolinaPanthers8789 Big Things Poppin Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,610 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 5	PLEASE HELP I was able to draft both Stewart and Williams, but I have a question should I consider dropping Dominic Rhodes and adding Mike Goodson? __________________ “I don't make excuses. If you lined my mama up out there, I'd have to catch it over her, too.”- STEVE SMITH

07-03-2009, 12:57 PM	#14
ncbobcat Beer Enthusiast Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 628 Pie Slices: 5 Given Pie 2 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 3	That's not unrealistic and still pretty darn good numbers. With the schedule this season and all the things indicated above: health, the Jake question and surprise factor--I highly doubt D-Will can duplicate or improve his last season's numbers. If so, that man should be the NFC starting RB in the Pro Bowl!!! __________________ Mum until the 2010 season.

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07-03-2009, 12:51 PM	#13
holderoftruth Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 306 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 2	Here's my reasoning for why I think Williams and Stewart’s numbers will be less than they were last season. 1. Health- Last season the Panthers stayed relatively healthily. Yes, the panthers had some injuries that had some players sit out for one/two games but we had no Tom Brady impact injury. The past 3-4 seasons injuries have plagued the Panthers. I am not saying that this year we will have the injury bug but based on our past it seems like we will have some injuries to the O-line, and with the lack of experience there it could make it hard to run the football. Even major injuries on defense will hurt the offense. 2. Jake Delhomme- First off I am not bashing Jake in this paragraph. The truth is though that Jake is the weakest part of our offense. No one can deny that. We have one of the best Running back tandem in the NFL, A top 5 Offensive line, and a pro bowl receiver in Smith. Teams understand this and will make Jake beat them, not William/Stewart. The running game will rest on Jakes arm because if he can throw the ball deep and make the safeties not cheat up then their will be room to run the football. 3. Surprise no more- Going into last season, outside of the Carolinas, people had no respect/faith in Our two running backs. Williams never ran the ball more than 150 times a season and was considered to be on the hot seat with the drafting of Stewart. Our two back system surprised everyone including Carolina Fans. Coming into this season defenses will respect our running backs and put 8 guys in the box. This kinda fits in with Jake's ability to throw the football. With all that being said I don’t think that production will drop by 1,000 yards but I see something like: Williams- 260 carries 1200 yards 14 TDs Stewart- 200 carries 860 yards 8 TDs I also think that Carolina will use Williams in more passing plays/screens and his total yards won’t be far off from last season. I think people are putting too much emphasize on the Schedule. Every year there are teams that surprise people (Falcons/Dolphins) and every year there are teams that disappoint. (Cowboys)

07-03-2009, 02:49 PM	#20
natty Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,061 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 5 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 6	I think he'll drop a little bit in production, but will still be very effective. Remember, this time last year everyone just wanted a RB that could crack 1000 yards. I think he can come close to the same yardage, but it'll be damn hard to repeat 20 TDs. Defense are going to play us a lot safer than last year. It's no secret that we have a big play offense so expect us to see bend-but-don't-break type defenses to force us into long drives.