D-Will's 2009 production to drop? - Page 3

number28 · 07-03-2009, 02:50 PM

williams's production will depend on stewart's health.

if stewart gets as knicked and banged up as he did last season, fox will be cautious again giving williams the bigger half of the load.

if stewart stays healthy and produces just like last season (or better), expect the load to be closer to 50/50.

with less touches, williams will have to have more consistent (and better) production in order to duplicate/best last season's numbers. if he has a slow period like the beginning of last season, his stats will drop big time.

personally, i see both backs around the 1200 yard mark next season.

Mintal · 07-03-2009, 03:40 PM

Doesn't look like it will drop to me...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...s:-RB-packages

number28 · 07-03-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mintal

Doesn't look like it will drop to me...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...s:-RB-packages

i'm not sure what a RB by committee ranking has to do with how many carries he'll get.

there are even more factors to weigh in outside what i've mentioned and the author of the link the OP put up.

the problem is it's tough to give an honest critique of williams on the huddle without people getting butt hurt...

Mintal · 07-03-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by number28

i'm not sure what a RB by committee ranking has to do with how many carries he'll get.

there are even more factors to weigh in outside what i've mentioned and the author of the link the OP put up.

the problem is it's tough to give an honest critique of williams on the huddle without people getting butt hurt...

Look, if you want to call fail, call it, no skin off my nose. I just know my thinking is that Stewart is just fine, Williams feels great and a young veteran line is standing in front of him. If you think he will fail, then that's on you...

number28 · 07-03-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mintal

Look, if you want to call fail, call it, no skin off my nose. I just know my thinking is that Stewart is just fine, Williams feels great and a young veteran line is standing in front of him. If you think he will fail, then that's on you...

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Originally Posted by number28

personally, i see both backs around the 1200 yard mark next season.

i don't consider rushing for 1200 yards a failure. he simply won't reproduce or best last season's numbers.

Mintal · 07-03-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by number28

i don't consider rushing for 1200 yards a failure. he simply won't reproduce or best last season's numbers.

Neither will I to tell the truth, I just don't anticipate him having a worse season than last year, I expect better. Is it realistic? Maybe not, but it does have precedence, He was the number one running back in the history of the NCAA. He did have an awesome line which is coming back intact with experience. He still has an awesome back spelling him and another in the wings. I think he'll do as much or better this year, but that's just me...

ItsNotGonnaBeAlright · 07-03-2009, 10:04 PM

I'd like to point to Williams' first two seasons. Playing behind a line plagued with injuries and playing second fiddle to DeShaun Foster, he still managed to put up these numbers.

2006 - 121 carries, 501 yds, 4.1 ypc, 2 TD's (1 recieving)
2007 - 144 carries, 717 yrds, 5.0 ypc, 5 TD's (1 recieving)

Now, given that he was a backup and that the offense as a whole was decisively weak, and he still manages to improve every one of his rushing stats from an 8-8 season to a 7-9 season? No, he will not suddenly stop improving this year, and if his production falls any it will not be the dramatic numbers that everyone is proposing. Split time with Stewart or not, tougher defense or not, injured line or not, DeAngelo is gonna get his and in a big way.

King Taharqa · 07-03-2009, 10:36 PM

Teams will be paying close attention to #34 next season. If he posts better #'s than he did last year he will solidify himself as the best back in the league. It will be hard to even duplicate what he did last season. Look at #89 in 05. He had a nice year in 06, but it didnt match up to 05 because teams really focused on him and understood how big a threat he was after his triple crown year. I think the same is gonna happen to #34 this year. Teams are gonna really focus on shutting down our running game and beating us on 1st and 2nd down. We need to be prepared for that and make them pay with the passing game.

number28 · 07-03-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsNotGonnaBeAlright

I'd like to point to Williams' first two seasons. Playing behind a line plagued with injuries and playing second fiddle to DeShaun Foster, he still managed to put up these numbers.

2006 - 121 carries, 501 yds, 4.1 ypc, 2 TD's (1 recieving)
2007 - 144 carries, 717 yrds, 5.0 ypc, 5 TD's (1 recieving)

Now, given that he was a backup and that the offense as a whole was decisively weak, and he still manages to improve every one of his rushing stats from an 8-8 season to a 7-9 season? No, he will not suddenly stop improving this year, and if his production falls any it will not be the dramatic numbers that everyone is proposing. Split time with Stewart or not, tougher defense or not, injured line or not, DeAngelo is gonna get his and in a big way.

your post brings up another possible knock as to why fantasy players are hesitant to pick williams too high in a draft.

are his stats padded? did he really improve?

williams is a playmaker no doubt, but one run can mask an otherwise poor performance.

the second half of last season williams ran against some of the worst run defenses in the league right when the o-line got healthy and starting to gel.

in the first half, he was only average. the defenses were a little tougher and the o-line was beat up. even though the o-line backups were starter quality, he still couldn't excel. his only 2 notable games being kansas city and arizona. kansas city is in shambles, and williams is making a habit of running over the cardinals like foster did the falcons.

the first half of last season is a reflection of his first 2 seasons. the second half could quite possibly be the result of a combination of his playmaking ability along with certain pieces falling in place.

SorthNarolina · 07-03-2009, 10:45 PM

Just thinking about all this is so much fun, we have so much talent right now I'm drooling.

I think fox's favorism towards vets doesn't really apply here since stewart got a lot of carries even though he fumbled a couple times and didn't really run with the same mentality as williams.

As long as williams and stewart are here we should just focus more on their total performance rather than their induvidual stats.

Even with the defenses we are going up against this year I think our run game will be effective and consistent. I don't see the huge stats we had this year though but it's a small possibility.

I see a decent reduction in williams yards and TDs, and a small increase in stewarts yards but a large increase in TDs. What little stats are left will probably be taken by fiametta and goodson.

Speaking of the other guys, i see hoover getting about as much stats as karl hankton did when he got here. I think he goes totally into bulldozer mode for the rest of his career here.

07-03-2009, 02:50 PM	#21
number28 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Age: 35 Posts: 576 Pie Slices: 2 Given Pie 2 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 3	williams's production will depend on stewart's health. if stewart gets as knicked and banged up as he did last season, fox will be cautious again giving williams the bigger half of the load. if stewart stays healthy and produces just like last season (or better), expect the load to be closer to 50/50. with less touches, williams will have to have more consistent (and better) production in order to duplicate/best last season's numbers. if he has a slow period like the beginning of last season, his stats will drop big time. personally, i see both backs around the 1200 yard mark next season. __________________ the enemy of excellence is satisfaction. Last edited by number28; 07-03-2009 at 03:02 PM.

07-03-2009, 03:40 PM	#22
Mintal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 9 Posts: 5,095 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 12	Doesn't look like it will drop to me... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...s:-RB-packages __________________ "Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither." - Ben Franklin

07-03-2009, 10:04 PM	#27
ItsNotGonnaBeAlright Dore mifala dosifare Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 25 Posts: 2,620 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 9 Times in 9 Posts Rep Power: 8	I'd like to point to Williams' first two seasons. Playing behind a line plagued with injuries and playing second fiddle to DeShaun Foster, he still managed to put up these numbers. 2006 - 121 carries, 501 yds, 4.1 ypc, 2 TD's (1 recieving) 2007 - 144 carries, 717 yrds, 5.0 ypc, 5 TD's (1 recieving) Now, given that he was a backup and that the offense as a whole was decisively weak, and he still manages to improve every one of his rushing stats from an 8-8 season to a 7-9 season? No, he will not suddenly stop improving this year, and if his production falls any it will not be the dramatic numbers that everyone is proposing. Split time with Stewart or not, tougher defense or not, injured line or not, DeAngelo is gonna get his and in a big way. __________________ Mankas difinon de la universo ne arbitra kaj plena de konjekto. La kialo de ĉi tiu estas simpla: ni ne scias, kion afero la universo estas

07-03-2009, 10:36 PM	#28
King Taharqa The Black Quarterback Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,422 Pie Slices: 0 Given Pie 14 Times in 10 Posts Rep Power: 11	Teams will be paying close attention to #34 next season. If he posts better #'s than he did last year he will solidify himself as the best back in the league. It will be hard to even duplicate what he did last season. Look at #89 in 05. He had a nice year in 06, but it didnt match up to 05 because teams really focused on him and understood how big a threat he was after his triple crown year. I think the same is gonna happen to #34 this year. Teams are gonna really focus on shutting down our running game and beating us on 1st and 2nd down. We need to be prepared for that and make them pay with the passing game. __________________ "“if you could choose any team in the league to play for, which team would you choose?" Vick replied “The Carolina Panthers.” Crown Town History: Linking Charlotte's Past With Its Present

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07-03-2009, 10:45 PM	#30
SorthNarolina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,769 Pie Slices: 29 Given Pie 15 Times in 11 Posts Rep Power: 7	Just thinking about all this is so much fun, we have so much talent right now I'm drooling. I think fox's favorism towards vets doesn't really apply here since stewart got a lot of carries even though he fumbled a couple times and didn't really run with the same mentality as williams. As long as williams and stewart are here we should just focus more on their total performance rather than their induvidual stats. Even with the defenses we are going up against this year I think our run game will be effective and consistent. I don't see the huge stats we had this year though but it's a small possibility. I see a decent reduction in williams yards and TDs, and a small increase in stewarts yards but a large increase in TDs. What little stats are left will probably be taken by fiametta and goodson. Speaking of the other guys, i see hoover getting about as much stats as karl hankton did when he got here. I think he goes totally into bulldozer mode for the rest of his career here.