Things we don't know about

[Fiz]

Originally Posted by Jangler

I bet you are a hoot on Memorial and Veterans day.

even better at weddings

Originally Posted by Fiz talking to groom

you see her mother's thighs? yeah that's where that great ass of hers is going after she stops working out

/smokes cigarette

[ncbobcat]

All you assumptions are based on the outcomes that we know today. You can not say that these outcomes would have happened they way you say because we DID get involved and the outcomes are FACT.

You can't say even a cease-fire would have kept a power hunger Hitler from coming to power. With a stalemate, no country will negoitate a lasting peace. Even then, Germany's econmic woes still would have been encountered as the most of the industrialized world experienced some hardships in the 1930s. It doesn't take much malcontent to start a popular uprising.

Again, if the U.S. did not get involved you can not say for fact that Germany could not have defeated Russia. The lack of oil and gas is what they were after in Stalingrad.

What coutries besides Korea and Vietnam did we lauch full-scale invasions into? We did some covert activities and propaganda. We did not lauch full scale wars against all the various communist countries. Again had Vietnam went pro-communist in the 1950s, who know if teh Vietnam war at the scale it actually happened would have occured.


Lastly, I loathe France and it's policies...not every person in the country is horrible. Actually it seems that a pro-American Prime minister can turn the sentiment a little.

[ncbobcat]

I bet you are a peacenik Fiz...you definitely come off that way. So what do you think of the President that has yet to get us out of Iraq and Afgahnistan? That's probably eating at you isn't it? Yeah, he's lied about more than that too.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Originally Posted by ncbobcat

Again, if the U.S. did not get involved you can not say for fact that Germany could not have defeated Russia. The lack of oil and gas is what they were after in Stalingrad.

lol by 1943 Russia had almost twice as many divisions deployed on the Eastern front as Germany did. How exactly was Germany going to win?

[pstall]

Originally Posted by Meat

Was talking to an Englishman yesterday and we got to talking about Bush going into Iraq with England the only country by his side. This guy was in the English Navy and he told me something very surprising. England, France and Israel were once aligned to go to war with Egypt over the Suez Canal, and America stepped in and said 'No you don't.' This was 1971, so it had to be Nixon.

He was telling me this because I was all over France for never backing us the way England does. He said America has done the same to France a time or two back in the day.

It's all about this.

After the Second World War, a system similar to the Gold Standard was established by the Bretton Woods Agreements. Under this system, many countries fixed their exchange rates relative to the U.S. dollar. The U.S. promised to fix the price of gold at $35 per ounce. Implicitly, then, all currencies pegged to the dollar also had a fixed value in terms of gold. Under the regime of the French President Charles de Gaulle up to 1970, France reduced its dollar reserves, trading them for gold from the U.S. government, thereby reducing U.S. economic influence abroad. This, along with the fiscal strain of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society expenditures and the Vietnam War, led President Richard Nixon to eliminate the fixed gold price in 1971, causing the system to break down.

Later comes Petrol dollars and Iraq/Saddam. WMD is the ruse both parties throw out to the masses.
Leverage. Everything we do is about Anglo leverage.
I have said it a million times, the US is the ultimate booty call. In public most countries want to appear to be aloof with the US but when they are in a pinch they call us.
Now with O in office it might appear to be the opposite.

The leverage game is back on with this: http://www.commodityonline.com/news/...15363-3-1.html

China has been the world’s second-largest gold consumer after India till now. But if the present trend in China continues, it may leave India far behind soon. China consumed 395.6 tonnes of bullion in 2008 for jewellery and investment, or around 14 per cent of global demand, up from 327.8 tonnes in 2007.

Investment demand in China jumped to 68.9 tonnes last year from 25.6 tonnes in 2007. India’s total bullion consumption dropped 14 per cent to 660.2 tonnes in 2008, of which net retail investment slipped to 190.5 tonnes from 217.5 tonnes in 2007.

[rodeo]

without France's help in the Revolutionary War, we would not have a country to be celebrating this Independence Day.

[pstall]

Originally Posted by rodeo

without France's help in the Revolutionary War, we would not have a country to be celebrating this Independence Day.

Which is why France and the US have holidays in the same month.

[Fiz]

Originally Posted by ncbobcat

All you assumptions are based on the outcomes that we know today. You can not say that these outcomes would have happened they way you say because we DID get involved and the outcomes are FACT.

i wasn't aware we were role playing

okay, i'll be kaiser wilhelm getting the phone call that germany went to war while he was on vacation, and you be the disgraced winston churchill who was forced to resign after he got the entire anzac army slaughtered.

You can't say even a cease-fire would have kept a power hunger Hitler from coming to power. With a stalemate, no country will negoitate a lasting peace. Even then, Germany's econmic woes still would have been encountered as the most of the industrialized world experienced some hardships in the 1930s. It doesn't take much malcontent to start a popular uprising.

lol

Again, if the U.S. did not get involved you can not say for fact that Germany could not have defeated Russia. The lack of oil and gas is what they were after in Stalingrad.

which they lost, without any substantial US aid. it wasn't until after stalingrad and the push back of the red army that the lion's share of american material wealth started pouring in. they won stalingrad due to the number of bodies they were willing to throw at the wehrmacht.

What coutries besides Korea and Vietnam did we lauch full-scale invasions into? We did some covert activities and propaganda. We did not lauch full scale wars against all the various communist countries. Again had Vietnam went pro-communist in the 1950s, who know if teh Vietnam war at the scale it actually happened would have occured.

vietnam was fully pro communist in the 1950s. and full scale invasions? do us backed dictators with american weapons and american trained soldiers count? do soldiers trained at fort benning, georgia count? do american trained death squads count? if the only thing that counts is the complete commitment of the united states ground forces, then it would just be iraq twice, vietnam, korea, cambodia, italy, grenada, afghanistan, and now pakistan.

Lastly, I loathe France and it's policies...not every person in the country is horrible. Actually it seems that a pro-American Prime minister can turn the sentiment a little.

which policies of france's do you loathe?

Originally Posted by ncbobcat

I bet you are a peacenik Fiz...you definitely come off that way. So what do you think of the President that has yet to get us out of Iraq and Afgahnistan? That's probably eating at you isn't it? Yeah, he's lied about more than that too.

i didn't vote for obama and i think his foreign and domestic policies, with few exceptions, are disgusting.

[Davidson Deac II]

Originally Posted by SmootsDaddy89

lol by 1943 Russia had almost twice as many divisions deployed on the Eastern front as Germany did. How exactly was Germany going to win?

Number of divisions is irrelevant, since divisional strength was different for each country. And fwiw, conventional military wisdom states that an attacker needs a 2.5-1 advantage in numbers to ensure success.

That being said, by 1943, the issue was no longer in doubt, unless germany and japan came up with a miracle.

But in 1941, the issue was definitely in doubt. There were no guarantees of a soviet victory then. The Russians and British might have won against Germany alone, but it not a sure thing.

And fwiw, the United States contributed greatly to Russia's war in the Eastern Front. How many german divisions were in Italy and France in 1943 because of the US presence. How many german aircraft were in Germany instead of on the Russian front because of round the clock bombing. How much of Germany's infrastructure was destroyed due to US bombing. And there were also large material contributions. 80% of Russian trucks in WWII were made in the USA. This allowed the Russians to concentrate on building tanks and other weapons of war. And the Russians bought many US aircraft, in the neighborhood of 20,000.

[Davidson Deac II]

Originally Posted by rodeo

without France's help in the Revolutionary War, we would not have a country to be celebrating this Independence Day.

Ironically, had Louis not helped us, he might not have lost his head.