Things we don't know about

[rodeo]

Originally Posted by Mintal

A lot of people, who have never spent a minute in the military are stepping up on a high horse here and they need to crawl the fvck off and apologize for it., period. I lost a great grandfather in WWI, do you have any idea what went on there? The Mustard Gas, the fences, the trenches, the firearms? Get off the horse and remember the sacrifice that allows you to live today. Try to get over the problems of fighting on Omaha Beach. Try to get over the thought of crawling up a squirrel hole chasing Charlie and just admit that you don't have a clue, not a fvcking clue, because you don't, you just don't...

this has nothing to do with anything, really. nothing you described is foreign policy, which is what's being discussed in this thread (in the parts i read at least.) criticizing policy is not criticizing soldiers. this post sounds exactly like the 'you don't support the troops' bullpoo that the chickenhawks who supported Bush tried to pull on people against the Iraq war.

[Meat]

Originally Posted by rodeo

this has nothing to do with anything, really. nothing you described is foreign policy, which is what's being discussed in this thread (in the parts i read at least.) criticizing policy is not criticizing soldiers. this post sounds exactly like the 'you don't support the troops' bullpoo that the chickenhawks who supported Bush tried to pull on people against the Iraq war.

Shut up, buttface.

(gives self a high five)

[rodeo]

i'd appreciate if you addressed me as Colonel or sir, i believe i've earned it.

[Raging Bull]

Originally Posted by Mintal

A lot of people, who have never spent a minute in the military are stepping up on a high horse here and they need to crawl the fvck off and apologize for it., period. I lost a great grandfather in WWI, do you have any idea what went on there? The Mustard Gas, the fences, the trenches, the firearms? Get off the horse and remember the sacrifice that allows you to live today. Try to get over the problems of fighting on Omaha Beach. Try to get over the thought of crawling up a squirrel hole chasing Charlie and just admit that you don't have a clue, not a fvcking clue, because you don't, you just don't...

I wish my grandfather could've lived longer since he basically had first person experience in Germany in WWII, but cancer got him in '04. There's a ring somewhere in my house he took off a Nazi soldier.

Then I had a great-grandfather who served in the Italian army in WWI, before coming over in 1923.

[Meat]

Originally Posted by rodeo

i'd appreciate if you addressed me as Colonel or sir, i believe i've earned it.

Who gave the code red?

[dimbee]

Originally Posted by Mintal

A lot of people, who have never spent a minute in the military are stepping up on a high horse here and they need to crawl the fvck off and apologize for it., period. I lost a great grandfather in WWI, do you have any idea what went on there? The Mustard Gas, the fences, the trenches, the firearms? Get off the horse and remember the sacrifice that allows you to live today. Try to get over the problems of fighting on Omaha Beach. Try to get over the thought of crawling up a squirrel hole chasing Charlie and just admit that you don't have a clue, not a fvcking clue, because you don't, you just don't...

I'm sorry for the loss of your great grandfather, Mintal. How old were you when he died? I know a lot of horrible things happened in that war, and I know a lot of horrible things have happened in the wars since then... And if you don't mind, I'll reserve the right to speak my mind no matter whether I've served or not.

[Meat]

Originally Posted by dimbee

I'm sorry for the loss of your great grandfather, Mintal. How old were you when he died? I know a lot of horrible things happened in that war, and I know a lot of horrible things have happened in the wars since then... And if you don't mind, I'll reserve the right to speak my mind no matter whether I've served or not.

I think he's talking about some people on here who say things like "World War I was already over." If you lost your grandfather in a war, it wasn't already over.

[SmootsDaddy89]

If you disagree with the United States' involvement in World War I, then you can GET OUT.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Originally Posted by Meat

I think he's talking about some people on here who say things like "World War I was already over." If you lost your grandfather in a war, it wasn't already over.

It's not so much that it was already over in the literal sense, but the fact is that World War I was almost certainly going to end around the same time it did regardless of our involvement.


Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, and the Ottoman Empire all surrendered before Germany did, and they surrendered without a large contingency of American soldiers that, according to other people in this thread, should have been necessary to force their hand. Now maybe just our entry into the war lead to a psychological impact that caused Germany's allies to surrender, but it's debatable.


Either way, the real reason Germany surrendered was because of social and economic problems that sparked a revolution in November 1918 and ousted the Kaiser. With no Kaiser, Germany almost immediately began suing for peace. Whether or not the United States entered World War I, this timeline of events likely would have remained almost unchanged.

But we're such egomaniacs that we really believe that OF COURSE Europe would be speaking German if it weren't for the mighty United States coming in at the end of the war to take all the glory, pissing off the Italians and helping Mussolini come to power!

[Meat]

Originally Posted by SmootsDaddy89

It's not so much that it was already over in the literal sense, but the fact is that World War I was almost certainly going to end around the same time it did regardless of our involvement.


Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, and the Ottoman Empire all surrendered before Germany did, and they surrendered without a large contingency of American soldiers that, according to other people in this thread, should have been necessary to force their hand. Now maybe just our entry into the war lead to a psychological impact that caused Germany's allies to surrender, but it's debatable.


Either way, the real reason Germany surrendered was because of social and economic problems that sparked a revolution in November 1918 and ousted the Kaiser. With no Kaiser, Germany almost immediately began suing for peace. Whether or not the United States entered World War I, this timeline of events likely would have remained almost unchanged.

But we're such egomaniacs that we really believe that OF COURSE Europe would be speaking German if it weren't for the mighty United States coming in at the end of the war to take all the glory, pissing off the Italians and helping Mussolini come to power!

America sealed the deal both times. Maybe we didn't get our noses bloodied like the major participants, although Normany and Pearl Harbor survivors would like to argue with you, but we were the decisive force in both world wars. If you want to argue that we should have entered the fray earlier both times, then hand in your peace-loving liberal card as you do so.