Marshall to start at corner? - Page 2 -

pstall · 08-15-2008, 11:35 PM

Give Moneyball the starting spot.

dksmith17 · 08-18-2008, 10:47 AM

This is the NFL. and its what have you done for me lately at all times. If teams don't learn that quickly, they lose. And Gamble, Lucas just did not get it done last year. If I don't see improvement, time to shake things up a little and make it open competition. This could make Gamble and Lucas better as well. Just because players get payed more or are drafted higher, they should not be gauranteed the starting position if they are being outplayed. Great example #1: Carr vs. Moore.

Mintal · 08-18-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dksmith17

This is the NFL. and its what have you done for me lately at all times. If teams don't learn that quickly, they lose. And Gamble, Lucas just did not get it done last year. If I don't see improvement, time to shake things up a little and make it open competition. This could make Gamble and Lucas better as well. Just because players get payed more or are drafted higher, they should not be gauranteed the starting position if they are being outplayed. Great example #1: Carr vs. Moore.

Glad you're a fan and not a coach!

PowerlessDan · 08-18-2008, 11:08 AM

I remember reading some of his comments of how he had some trouble learning both corner and nickel last year, but that he was a lot more comfortable. I look for him to make some improvements in consistency. When he is the best than I think he should play. But then the question is who will play nickel?

dksmith17 · 08-18-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mintal

Glad you're a fan and not a coach!

With that mentality, we would still have David Carr on our roster with the kind of money we are still paying him.

Glad your a critic without an opinion and not a coach!

Mintal · 08-18-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dksmith17

With that mentality, we would still have David Carr on our roster with the kind of money we are still paying him.

Glad your a critic without an opinion and not a coach!

Where did you get that I would still have David Carr on the roster? Talking out of your ass is not productive to anyone, yourself included...

Marshall is a fairly decent CB. He may develop into an extraordinary CB eventually, but has not been able to work his way into the lineup for a reason. He looks outstanding against the number 3 receivers on other teams. Your love for Marshall at any expense is what I don't get. You don't care what's best for the team as long as your guy is the man?...

Cyberjag · 08-18-2008, 11:39 AM

Does anyone here seriously think that Fox wouldn't play the team that gave him the best chance to win? Marshall's third on the depth chart because the coaches think that the nickel is where he will make the best contribution to the team. If he was better than Lucas or Gamble, they would start him. If he gets better this year, then he'll earn the starting job.

The best defense is the one that never has to be used. Maybe one reason Marshall has more passes defensed than either of our starters is because opposing QBs tend to pick on him more often than they do Gamble or Lucas. I don't know myself, but I bet that Tim Lewis knows exactly who gives up what, how often they're tested, who they're the most effective against, and how they do against the other teams' first, second, and third receivers. I bet he's shared that with Fox too, and that's why we see the lineup we do.

Scrumtrilescent · 08-18-2008, 11:41 AM

This isn't HS, who starts and doesn't at positions like RB and CB are really irrelevant to me because more players than the starters will get PT and plenty of it. 3 WRs is becoming more of the norm now, as is RB tandems.

But this is like arguing with a brick wall, so I'll just move on.

Cyberjag · 08-18-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrumtrilescent

But this is like arguing with a brick wall, so I'll just move on.

Actually, you can gradually chip away at a brick wall...

outlaw4 · 08-18-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyberjag

Actually, you can gradually chip away at a brick wall...

You can chip away at a brick wall by just arguing with it?

Me don't think so.

For some reason, Marshall reminds me of Ricky Manning, at least, a better version of him anyways.

dksmith17 · 08-18-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mintal

Where did you get that I would still have David Carr on the roster? Talking out of your ass is not productive to anyone, yourself included...

Marshall is a fairly decent CB. He may develop into an extraordinary CB eventually, but has not been able to work his way into the lineup for a reason. He looks outstanding against the number 3 receivers on other teams. Your love for Marshall at any expense is what I don't get. You don't care what's best for the team as long as your guy is the man?...

haha. do you even read what you quote?
all I suggested was make it open competition, I don't have any more love for Marshall than I do for Gamble or Lucas, I just want to win.
That was my point, don't ride Gamble just because he was our #1 pick. Sort of like Carr getting the contract we gave him because he was a former #1 overall pick. We are still paying for that mistake!

Mintal · 08-18-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dksmith17

haha. do you even read what you quote?
all I suggested was make it open competition, I don't have any more love for Marshall than I do for Gamble or Lucas, I just want to win.
That was my point, don't ride Gamble just because he was our #1 pick. Sort of like Carr getting the contract we gave him because he was a former #1 overall pick. We are still paying for that mistake!

You need a little more than that if you're going to ridicule, that was some weak shit. I'm not riding anybody, I want what's best for the team and right now, that means Marshall is the nickel, period, end of discussion, cannot be denied. You don't care about that and want Marshall to be the starter whether it helps or hurts the team, doesn't matter to you, I get it, doesn't make sense but I get it...

Plewis · 08-18-2008, 12:32 PM

Start him if Gamble or Lucas gets hurt... or if he plays better than him. He's shown that he can make some great plays, but also is a bonehead sometimes and doesn't time hits well enough/can get beat deep and have to PI so the other team doesn't TD.

Who cares anyways? He'll see plenty of time in the nickel and on ST.

This thread is kinda stoopid. The only thing perpetuating the thread is Mintal and dk arguing about who has the bigger dick.

Mintal · 08-18-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Plewis

Start him if Gamble or Lucas gets hurt... or if he plays better than him. He's shown that he can make some great plays, but also is a bonehead sometimes and doesn't time hits well enough/can get beat deep and have to PI so the other team doesn't TD.

Who cares anyways? He'll see plenty of time in the nickel and on ST.

This thread is kinda stoopid. The only thing perpetuating the thread is Mintal and dk arguing about who has the bigger dick.

Apparently you do, or are, whichever the case may be...

j/k

dksmith17 · 08-18-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mintal

You need a little more than that if you're going to ridicule, that was some weak shit. I'm not riding anybody, I want what's best for the team and right now, that means Marshall is the nickel, period, end of discussion, cannot be denied. You don't care about that and want Marshall to be the starter whether it helps or hurts the team, doesn't matter to you, I get it, doesn't make sense but I get it...

not trying to ridicule. Just wondering if you actually read my quote? I want whats best for the team too.... And if that means let Marshall compete for the starting job so be it. I never mentioned anything about handing Marshall the starting job, only competing for it. Ive stated that 3 or 4 times now, is it clear enough for you?

mofo112 · 08-18-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SorthNarolina

WOW

in 04 he had 6 INTs, two of which came in our amazing game against atlanta, he kept us in that game
he also iced kansas city in 04

in 05 he also had a critical INT against tampa bay that really changed the pace at that moment

he iced buffalo that year

also had a critical INT to help us get our first win in 06

he has 17 INTs so far(leads the team since he's been here), seriously where did that opinion come from

I think he just gets burnt so much that when he does make a critical play it evens it self out, and people dont remember. Gamble has never had a season and impact like 05 lucas. Hell even the year he was hurt alot when he played he still had more impact.

08-15-2008, 11:35 PM	#26 (permalink)
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dksmith17 Rookie League Vet Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: bfe Posts: 333 Rep Power: 14	Re: Marshall to start at corner? This is the NFL. and its what have you done for me lately at all times. If teams don't learn that quickly, they lose. And Gamble, Lucas just did not get it done last year. If I don't see improvement, time to shake things up a little and make it open competition. This could make Gamble and Lucas better as well. Just because players get payed more or are drafted higher, they should not be gauranteed the starting position if they are being outplayed. Great example #1: Carr vs. Moore.

08-18-2008, 11:08 AM	#29 (permalink)
PowerlessDan Yiazmat Conqueror Forum Legend Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Back giving Life hell Age: 34 Posts: 7,375 Rep Power: 1069	Re: Marshall to start at corner? I remember reading some of his comments of how he had some trouble learning both corner and nickel last year, but that he was a lot more comfortable. I look for him to make some improvements in consistency. When he is the best than I think he should play. But then the question is who will play nickel? __________________ "People are lonely because they build walls instead of bridges" --Joseph Newton

08-18-2008, 11:39 AM	#32 (permalink)
Cyberjag Huddle Handyman Forum Legend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Concord Posts: 13,275 Rep Power: 1266	Re: Marshall to start at corner? Does anyone here seriously think that Fox wouldn't play the team that gave him the best chance to win? Marshall's third on the depth chart because the coaches think that the nickel is where he will make the best contribution to the team. If he was better than Lucas or Gamble, they would start him. If he gets better this year, then he'll earn the starting job. The best defense is the one that never has to be used. Maybe one reason Marshall has more passes defensed than either of our starters is because opposing QBs tend to pick on him more often than they do Gamble or Lucas. I don't know myself, but I bet that Tim Lewis knows exactly who gives up what, how often they're tested, who they're the most effective against, and how they do against the other teams' first, second, and third receivers. I bet he's shared that with Fox too, and that's why we see the lineup we do. __________________ Pain is temporary, quitting is forever. - Lance Armstrong "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

08-18-2008, 11:41 AM	#33 (permalink)
Scrumtrilescent Huddle Carrottop Forum Legend Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: The fine line between genius and insanity Age: 27 Posts: 21,836 Rep Power: 5000	Re: Marshall to start at corner? This isn't HS, who starts and doesn't at positions like RB and CB are really irrelevant to me because more players than the starters will get PT and plenty of it. 3 WRs is becoming more of the norm now, as is RB tandems. But this is like arguing with a brick wall, so I'll just move on. __________________ Oh, good. For a moment there I thought we were in trouble. --RIP Paul Newman

08-18-2008, 12:32 PM	#38 (permalink)
Plewis Rookie Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlotte Age: 22 Posts: 191 Rep Power: 11	Re: Marshall to start at corner? Start him if Gamble or Lucas gets hurt... or if he plays better than him. He's shown that he can make some great plays, but also is a bonehead sometimes and doesn't time hits well enough/can get beat deep and have to PI so the other team doesn't TD. Who cares anyways? He'll see plenty of time in the nickel and on ST. This thread is kinda stoopid. The only thing perpetuating the thread is Mintal and dk arguing about who has the bigger dick.