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2 Key Things Regarding Kony Ealy

May 10 2014 04:47 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
I had a feeling the Panthers would be going defense with their second round pick, but I was thinking cornerback. Instead, the Panthers draft a defensive end which is probably one of the areas least in need, until you scratch the surface. How did the guy that many labeled as the second best defensive end in the draft fall to the Panthers in round 2? Why would the Panthers select him? Well, it is fairly simple.

It begins with "unnamed NFL scouts" who questioned his attitude. .

He thinks he's already an Aldon Smith-type player," a third scout said. "Classic con man. I don't trust this kid. He will be just a big pain in the (expletive). He's one of those 'let somebody else draft him' guys." From New Madrid, Mo. Added a fourth scout: "There's no outstanding traits about him other than he gives you some versatility in a bad (defensive-line) draft. He's a mess. Somebody's going to draft him because they need a defensive end and overdraft him."


Con man... Con man... seems like I have heard that somewhere before. Oh, that's right, Cam Newton was called a con artistbefore the NFL draft as well. Remind me how that turned out for the Panthers.

When it comes to such strong terminology against a player, it is obviously personal. And when scouts leave the business mindset and get personal, it is time to ignore them. Clearly Gettleman saw past the rhetoric.

But is defensive end a need for the Panthers? Obviously, David Gettleman thinks so. This pick could be the biggest indicator yet on how long term contract talks are going with Greg Hardy. If Hardy is no longer with the Panthers next season, which is looking more and more likely, Ealy could possibly step in with solid production.

In Carolina, Ealy has the best case scenario. He does not have to come in and be the number one guy. He doesn't even need to be the number two guy. He can come in and learn from one of the best defensive line coaches in the game, Eric Washington. Washington has proven he can get production out of just about any defensive marginal talent given to him. I would expect big returns from a physical talent like Kony Ealy.

A realistic projection this season for Ealy would be as a situational pass rusher and in the rotation to spell Hardy and Johnson. While I would have preferred a starter in round 2, I really cannot fault Gettleman for looking to the future here and taking not only the best player available, but also a position of need.

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You can rationalize it however you want, nothing changes the fact that we drafted a backup in the second round when we need starters.

You can rationalize it however you want, nothing changes the fact that we drafted a backup in the second round when we need starters.

 

We drafted a starter for the 2015 season.   

We drafted a starter for the 2015 season.


Maybe, who's to say we won't still have CJ and Hardy next season? Too bad he's not a starter for the 2014 season, which is what we need.

Maybe, who's to say we won't still have CJ and Hardy next season? Too bad he's not a starter for the 2014 season, which is what we need.

 

Has there ever been a rookie DE that was a starter in there first year?  I know what you are getting at you would rather have a starting rookie WR or OT.

Has there ever been a rookie DE that was a starter in there first year? I know what you are getting at you would rather have a starting rookie WR or OT.


He won't start on our line unless some crazy poo goes down. OT would be nice, but heck ANY position with a chance to even push for a starting job.

I dont think so.  Cap savings is to big not to cut him after this season.  Hardy will get his deal any way after the season. 

 

True, it will be a huge cap savings if we cut CJ. But I think that depends on Hardy signing an LTC. Although you said that you don't agree but you also said that Hardy will get his deal any way after the season.
 

i understood that was too much talent to pass up, but how many teams passed on him twice?

 

i understand that it gives us leverage and options in dealing with DEs that take up WAAAAAAYYYY too much cap space, but we still have old and slow DBs and poo at OT on either side. i want to know what he plans on doing there that doesn't end up with JAG scrubs starting for us, esp. at OT that is kinda important.

I'm OK with the pick. In my simple mind at least, it's a franchise building pick but not necessarily a 2014 team pick. If all goes well, it's the type of pick that leads to multiple winning seasons even when you lose players due to cap savings and fa.
If this was a Marty Hurney draft/offseason I'd be more worried than I am. First of all Hurney would pick "BPA" over need outsmarting the fans, experts and himself. Gettleman has addressed the historic Panther weaknesses, or at least he's trying.

I see this roster shaping up and I'm starting to like what I see. We now have a little cash for a free agent or two on OL or secondary. Not worried at all. I understand the concern though.
Moses plays to high for a guy his size. I don't see him doing much in the league, I'm glad we passed in him, was never a fan

If Easy pans out it will be the best pick of the draft just because pass rushers are so valuable.


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He won't start on our line unless some crazy poo goes down. OT would be nice, but heck ANY position with a chance to even push for a starting job.


Do u even watch the panthers? Do u not notice how frequently we rotate guys on the dl? He may not be depthed as a starter but he will play plenty of snaps.

Its also possible hes actually better than cj and hardy and earns a starting spot. (As unlikely that sounds, the possibility exists).

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If this was a Marty Hurney draft/offseason I'd be more worried than I am. First of all Hurney would pick "BPA" over need outsmarting the fans, experts and himself. Gettleman has addressed the historic Panther weaknesses, or at least he's trying.

I see this roster shaping up and I'm starting to like what I see. We now have a little cash for a free agent or two on OL or secondary. Not worried at all. I understand the concern though.


I think ur confusing gms. Our hurney drafts were always highly coveted by the media and we always went for need. Keary colbert, corvey irvin, terrell mcclain, ae, fua, josh norman.. all were picks to address needs and all were pretty darn worthless.

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Mizzou has been pumping out some NFL talent on the Dline of late too, so he has that going for him.

 

Not the fastest guy in the 40 but he's quicker over a shorter area with a great 3 cone. Which one is more indicative of a DE?

Do u even watch the panthers? Do u not notice how frequently we rotate guys on the dl? He may not be depthed as a starter but he will play plenty of snaps.

Its also possible hes actually better than cj and hardy and earns a starting spot. (As unlikely that sounds, the possibility exists).

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No, that's really not possible because 1. CJ and Hardy are both very very good and I can say with supreme confidence they're way better than any second round rookie, and 2. We're paying them both a boatload of money.

But I guess since I don't believe in drafting rotational backups in the second round when our franchise QB has been all but neglected for 3 years, that means I don't watch.

Again, you can rationalize it however you want, I never said he wouldn't see snaps. We drafted a backup with no chance to push for a starting job in the second round.
Considering Kony Ealy is the most badass name we've had on this team for a while, I can accept this pick.

Has there ever been a rookie DE that was a starter in there first year? I know what you are getting at you would rather have a starting rookie WR or OT.



Yes. Usually you need to draft them top two picks though.

Moses plays to high for a guy his size. I don't see him doing much in the league, I'm glad we passed in him, was never a fan

If Easy pans out it will be the best pick of the draft just because pass rushers are so valuable.


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I still like Moses, it'll be interesting to see how these picks pan out. Polian did note he had 2 major flaws, played high in the run game and he was a waist bender in the passing game, he called them serious flaws that needed to be fixed for him to succeed.

 

However, Polian also drafted Collins, Biakabatuka and Carruth as 1st rounders for Carolina so its not like he never gets it wrong.
 

I still like Moses, it'll be interesting to see how these picks pan out. Polian did note he had 2 major flaws, played high in the run game and he was a waist bender in the passing game, he called them serious flaws that needed to be fixed for him to succeed.

However, Polian also drafted Collins, Biakabatuka and Carruth as 1st rounders for Carolina so its not like he never gets it wrong.

True, but there has to be a major reason why a guy of his size fell that far when some regarded him as a late 1st rounder. I even heard we had 0 interest in Moses, sort of a red flag since you know we evaluated him thoroughly. Like you said, it'll be interesting to see how these picks pan out in the near future. Hopefully We'll be on the better end.


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Since I cant edit.

 

 

CJ contract next year is 17.4

If we cut him dead money is 6 million

saves us 11.4 million  to cut him.

 

Like someone said. He might as well put his home for sale. Unless he takes a huge pay cut.

True, but there has to be a major reason why a guy of his size fell that far when some regarded him as a late 1st rounder. I even heard we had 0 interest in Moses, sort of a red flag since you know we evaluated him thoroughly. Like you said, it'll be interesting to see how these picks pan out in the near future. Hopefully We'll be on the better end.


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You could say the same think about Ealy tho. Many questioned taking him at 28 when the whole Blue Goose thing started, he fell to 60. Why?

 

Moses only went 6 picks later.

No, that's really not possible because 1. CJ and Hardy are both very very good and I can say with supreme confidence they're way better than any second round rookie, and 2. We're paying them both a boatload of money.

But I guess since I don't believe in drafting rotational backups in the second round when our franchise QB has been all but neglected for 3 years, that means I don't watch.

Again, you can rationalize it however you want, I never said he wouldn't see snaps. We drafted a backup with no chance to push for a starting job in the second round.

 

Ealy could be the greatest DE in the history of the NFL, he could also be so bad he's cut before preseason.  Fact is nobody knows. No such thing as it being "impossible" to win a starting position.

 

KK was a rotational backup last year.  He played a ton of snaps and facerolled people.  I have no problem with another second rounder doing the exact same thing.  The term "starter" in the NFL means less the better your depth is.  Who is our starting runningback when both are healthy?  Does it really matter when they get equal carries?

 

Sure Cam has poor options as tackles, but pressure coming up the middle is generally where Cam is getting killed, not from the edges.  It is going to be risky for teams to constantly stack 8 in the box against us with KB in the mix, despite his inconsistencies he is not someone you want to leave in one on one coverage.

You can never, ever, never, ever, ever, ever have enough pass rushers.  It's impossible.

 

Paraphrasing G-man.

 

 

Some people were surprised when KC took the best pure pass rusher remaining with their 1st round pick (#23 overall) because (they said) KC didn't "need" him.

 

But KC took Dee Ford for the same reasons we picked Kony Ealy: future salary cap considerations and leverage.  And because, as Fan01 says above, you can never, ever, ever, ever, ever have enough pass rushers.  (Plus, additionally for KC, Tamba Hali is getting up there in years and has had recent health problems.)

Maybe, who's to say we won't still have CJ and Hardy next season? Too bad he's not a starter for the 2014 season, which is what we need.

 

 

Who's to say whatever OT we draft would automatically be a starter?

He's a great luxury we cannot afford because of our two crucial need in OL and WR. Yes we'll have depth at the DL just in case we can't sign Hardy, but we do have him for a whole season no matter. That need could have been addressed in future drafts. We're still in the same position we were in before entering the draft. Unless 2014 is a wash and we're building for the 2015 season then that's a great pick.

Maybe, who's to say we won't still have CJ and Hardy next season? Too bad he's not a starter for the 2014 season, which is what we need.

People still can't grasp the idea that we still have those two guys for at least an entire season and we don't have a starting LT or WR this coming season. Everyone's thinking 2015 and I don't get why.