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Round 2: Panthers select Kawann Short

Apr 26 2013 06:32 PM Kuech the Sneak Carolina Panthers
Strengths:
  • Good pass-rusher
  • Fast, quick
  • Capable of taking games over
  • Can be dominant
  • Plays with good pad level
  • Good feet
  • Quick get-off
  • Good use of hands
  • Repertoire of moves
  • Able to use hands and feet at same time
  • Has the ability to shed blocks
  • Can beat double-teams
  • Plays with good strength
  • Athletic
  • Can be extremely disruptive
  • Splash plays
  • Instinctive
  • Capable run-defender


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That's swell but out of all of the players you listed, Ross and Webster were the only ones who played in their first Super Bowl victory. And Webster was hurt for most of the season.


That is true they are the only ones who contributed to the first Superbowl victory. But Ross, Webster, Amukamara, and Phillips contributed to the second Super Bowl victory. If you look at the timeline Jones is the only one who didn't participate in a Super Bowl that occurred after he drafted.

http://sports.espn.g...ameId=280203017
http://scores.espn.g...ameId=320205017

Also, other than Jones and Hosley they all would start for us. Rolle and Grant(that year) who were FA, would also start for us.

It looks like I'm arguing against the pick which I am not. But I disagree with spin that says the Giants are content with/ have subpar talent back there.

Gettleman's confidence is starting to more closely resemble arrogance.


As are your posts.
The Giants can't draft very good DBs. Isn't this already a known fact? The ONLY one that they have drafted that look that he might be worth the pick is Hosley. That was last year. They draft guys that have a good season or two and then fizzle out. See Webster, Ross, Thomas (injury plagued), Phillips (injuries), and Amukamara has done jack poo to suggest he was worthy of a 1st round pick.
This team was going to have holes no matter who was picked. We needed to many players and had too few picks. Nice to shore up the middle of the dline. Everyeone complaining about the other needs is correct. There was no way to solve all the problems with this draft. It is time for this team to hit on a few players that were not picked at the top of the draft.
The way I see it, we have had massive holes on the D-line for years. This just fixed it for the next 5. I'm sold.
Gettleman said that as part of their evaluation process, a couple of coaches took him to dinner.

Wonder how much that cost :lol:
You guys complain about anything. Dave said that free agency will allow BPA so there you have it. That's why none of you including myself are in the front office.
The problem with the whole "shoring up the line" theory with going with another DT in the 2nd is that very few rookie DTs come in tearing it up year one. With glaring holes in the secondary and guys that could come in and be the best at their respective positions immediately as rookies still available to be drafted, this seemed extremely stubborn and foolhardy.

This is Gettleman's first year, so it's hard to go all hater on him, but if the results don't show early, this move won't bode well for his reputation with fans. Then again, if he just drafted Dwan's successor with no drop off in production in Short and a core team guy in Star, we just amassed our greatest DL ever (outside of 2003).

Summary: I'm not a fan of the move, as-is, right now, b/c of the holes we had elsewhere and the potential we had to trade back and get more picks. I also think it was extremely arrogant of Gettleman to rule out trades yesterday. If this guy turns out to be a worthy 2nd round pick, we will be forever thankful to Gettleman. Time will tell so I'm reserving final judgement, but I'm skeptical while still holding out hope he got it right. After Hurney, there is one thing I don't have much patience for, and that is front office personnel who refuse to adapt or adjust on the fly.

Again, I hope he's right.
the first time I agree with you. The offense is good enough since they have explosive tendencies in all phases.

DWill, Stew, Tolbert, Cam, Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Olsen.....the offense has plenty of weapons.

If the OLine stays healthy we will be a very good team.

DTs taking a long time to develop is exactly why we should be drafting them. get them now, then by the time the rest of the holes are fixed the DTs will be ready. this stuff is elementary, guys.

Cam has to be a little pissed off, they have done very little to help him.

putting points on the board hasn't been the suggest issue.

Keep crying though.

putting points on the board hasn't been the suggest issue.

Keep crying though.

Pretty sure his line was one of the worst last year, but keep talking out of your ass. Cam came up gimpy more times than once, ask Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick how much a line helps the offense. It all starts upfront on BOTH sides of the ball.
Our DB's will only have to cover for like two seconds. Too many holes, not enough picks? make a pick that will not only improve that position, but will aid others as well, in a big way. Good pick IMO. Great pick.

If we missed out on Star and got Richardson, i would be pretty damn excited thinking about the pass rush with dwan. In hindsight, we landed a dude in the 2nd who could very possibly be a better passrusher than Richardson.

We are one Dwan Injury away from having Sione Pooa in there. People are saying that Short will be a back up, only a rotational player. ehh, think about this for a second..
.... yes rookie Defensive tackles usually struggle as a rookie. i would imagine most rookie defensive tackle go into a situation where there isn't much help around them..
..... Short is gunna be next to two(2) 10+ sack Defensive ends, and Star fuggin Lotulelei. He will have help!

TLDR;!! Think of the best young pashrushers who have broke out in almost immediately . Who were their supporting casts? JPP ( New York Stud DLINE) and Aldon Smith ( SF stout D line )

Short wont have that rookie wall that other players at his position will go through due to having to dominate by themselves.
I love this pick.

A great pass rushing dtone prospect.
We finally take care our out biggest needs, and fans are complaining.

Go ahead...cry.

I'll continue to rejoice.

Pretty sure his line was one of the worst last year, but keep talking out of your ass. Cam came up gimpy more times than once, ask Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick how much a line helps the offense. It all starts upfront on BOTH sides of the ball.

you are an idiot to think i don't know the value of both lines. Thanks for playing though.

Come again.

you are an idiot to think i don't know the value of both lines. Thanks for playing though.

Come again.


Ah man. Pantherclaw butchering the English language again. Can anyone comprehend what was just said?
People complaining about "more pressing needs" Levi brown and Sam Bowie say hi

I love this pick.

A great pass rushing dtone prospect.
We finally take care our out biggest needs, and fans are complaining.

Go ahead...cry.

I'll continue to rejoice.

Im right there with you man. I feel most fans are coming around and realizing what we got though.. except the occasional tard that claims we should have "filled a "hole"
Gettleman is cleaning up Marty's mess (McClain,Fua). This is what Jerry Richardson meant when he said we needed a GM who could "fix things".
Great pick btw. did not expect 2 DT's
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Apr 27 2013 12:03 AM

The problem with the whole "shoring up the line" theory with going with another DT in the 2nd is that very few rookie DTs come in tearing it up year one. With glaring holes in the secondary and guys that could come in and be the best at their respective positions immediately as rookies still available to be drafted, this seemed extremely stubborn and foolhardy.

This is Gettleman's first year, so it's hard to go all hater on him, but if the results don't show early, this move won't bode well for his reputation with fans. Then again, if he just drafted Dwan's successor with no drop off in production in Short and a core team guy in Star, we just amassed our greatest DL ever (outside of 2003).

Summary: I'm not a fan of the move, as-is, right now, b/c of the holes we had elsewhere and the potential we had to trade back and get more picks. I also think it was extremely arrogant of Gettleman to rule out trades yesterday. If this guy turns out to be a worthy 2nd round pick, we will be forever thankful to Gettleman. Time will tell so I'm reserving final judgement, but I'm skeptical while still holding out hope he got it right. After Hurney, there is one thing I don't have much patience for, and that is front office personnel who refuse to adapt or adjust on the fly.

Again, I hope he's right.


Very few defensive backs come in and tear it up in year one. Patrick Peterson, Kenny Phillips, Dre Kirkpatrick, Leon Hall, Prince A, and Malcolm Jenkins played looked terrible just to name a few. I thought Panther's fans were tired of Hurney trading our picks away.

There are zero players in the mid-rounds of this draft worth mortgaging future picks over. Being too rigid is one thing, and following a winning blue-print is another. We have to solidify our interior defensive line.

We had numerous games in hand that our defense lost for us, and yes a big part of that was the terrible run defense. During the Giants game, we could not get off of the field because they were gashing our DTs. This helps solidify a glaring need. Its apples and oranges. To me, defensive tackle was way more of an issue than defensive back. Our GM was right on this one as we have one plus thirty DT on a one year rental. Now we have two rookies who were extremely productive in college. What is so bad about that?
With Short and Star, their (nfcs) road to the Superbowl is now closed, our is wide open.
Really if there ever was a draft to double up at DT it's this one.
I was surprised with the pick. Gettleman is planing on having a devastating DL.

Very few defensive backs come in and tear it up in year one. Patrick Peterson, Kenny Phillips, Dre Kirkpatrick, Leon Hall, Prince A, and Malcolm Jenkins played looked terrible just to name a few. I thought Panther's fans were tired of Hurney trading our picks away.

There are zero players in the mid-rounds of this draft worth mortgaging future picks over. Being too rigid is one thing, and following a winning blue-print is another. We have to solidify our interior defensive line.

We had numerous games in hand that our defense lost for us, and yes a big part of that was the terrible run defense. During the Giants game, we could not get off of the field because they were gashing our DTs. This helps solidify a glaring need. Its apples and oranges. To me, defensive tackle was way more of an issue than defensive back. Our GM was right on this one as we have one plus thirty DT on a one year rental. Now we have two rookies who were extremely productive in college. What is so bad about that?

Perhaps I should have said 'it has to grow on me.' It hasn't sat well with me initially, but I hope I conveyed in my original post that it's possible that we just assembled our best DL ever wih these two picks. If that is the case, the bargain bin shopping we did for DBs in FA may prove to be genius.

To be clear though, I was suggesting to trade back so we could acquire more picks, not give any futures away. Gettleman basically said he would not trade after we drafted Star. And while it's possible we just completely plugged the middle up, freed our LBs to run like mad, and just shortened opposing QBs time standing in the pocket by seconds at a time, I'm still troubled by our patchwork secondary... That was my concern. If this assembly of talent on the DL pans out though, it could negate the need for huge talent in the secondary.
Remember the last time we took a guy they described as having 1st round ability, but there were motor concerns?

Yeah, Greg Hardy says hello.