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Shifting the Line

Aug 26 2013 05:51 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
Yes, Travelle Wharton is back in Carolina. This could be great news, depending on his conditioning. Missing over a year of football can be a difficult thing to overcome. Ask Panthers current right guard Garry Williams. Williams was an exciting prospect before sitting the 2011 season with an injury. It has taken him over a year just to get back into playing shape and being able to compete for a starting position.

But lets assume Wharton is in prime football condition. Where do you put him?

In his previous stint in Carolina, he played mostly at left guard next to Jordan Gross. Putting him back in that same spot next to Gross would mean a quicker acclimation period. Gross and Wharton were very close as Panthers, even carpooling to practice together. You cannot overstate the importance of chemistry between a right tackle and right guard. I suspect the Wharton-Gross tandem could look solid again within a couple of weeks.

Putting Wharton on the left would shift Amini Silatolu over to the right guard position. Amini has always played on the left side, in college he was a left tackle. For a second year player, there will be a significant adjustment period going from left to right in the guard position.

Or do you put Wharton in the right guard position and allow continuity for Amini now that he seems to be coming into his own? Amini currently has an injured hamstring and won't be getting any playing time on Thursday. This decreases the chances of him being reads for a right guard start come week 1.

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I'll make my mind up after we sign a few more OL cuts next week.

Put Wharton at RG
I say put him on the right side for now. Would not move Amini.


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If Fox was here Wharton would play LT and Gross would move over to RT.

I think you have to put the stronger player next to bell. Whoever that is. Best case scenario bell isn't starting week one

unless it's someone that is to replace gross, i don't really want the left side messed with.

 

the right side is what needs the help. i don't really know where wharton would be best suited, but i think he'd be an upgrade over anyone there. him just getting over ACL issues might mean that the more limited mobility needed for RG might make that the best place.

 

one thing i do wonder, tho, is has he played on the right side before? i'm sure he'd be able to adjust but i just don't know how well suited he is for run blocking on that side. it's not easy moving a guy from one side to the other. it's almost like telling a nascar driver to start turning right.

I think scrambling the OL, which is already struggling, 2 weeks before the games start to count, is a bad idea... 

 

Who knows what kind of playing shape Wharton will be in, but the last thing I want to do is see someone who is struggling at RT, moved to LT...  Or someone who is struggling at LG moved to RG...  Or worse as some have suggested...  I think you put him in at RG, and hope the light comes on for Silatolu, and that Edmund gets healthy and can contribute quickly...  I also think we have to entertain the idea of bringing in one more lineman for depth...  Assuming someone gets cut who can help us...

 

 

RG. Dont wanna move Amini since he is starting to get it. Wharton singed a one year so we may not hav him next year, so I wouldn't mess up Amini who we will prob have for quite a while. Wouldn't put Amini and Bell on one side. But we could sign someone before the season begins. But if we don't, RG.

very much agreeing with nance about it being a bad idea to shake up the line anymore than it is.

 

probably the #1 thing i wanted even before TC started was to have the OL set personnel-wise so rather than tinkering around with what combos/bodies work well enough for those couple weeks in spartanburg they could have been gelling as a unit.

 

that didn't happen.

 

we always start out slow on the OL. thats been going on for years. that needs to change because it effects the overall start for the team.

 

chemistry needs to form between the guys on the line and the least amount of shuffling we can do, the better. leave the right side alone and then upgrade RG and after that, if possible, upgrade RT. RG is where we have the least amount of experience with the line.

At this point, RG. Inserting him there for the time being ensures the least amount of disruption. You start moving too many pieces and the chemistry, what little there seems to be, is gone for the short term.

I'd say you always put the 9 year Veteran on the slightly different position to help your young DII guy keep a sense of continuity, Gross-Silatolu-Kalil-Wharton-Williams would be my preferred O-Line right now

At this point in the preseason, it's pretty much pointless to play musical chairs with the lineman, with the exception of shifting Gross to RT if we find a true stopgap LT (which probably won't happen but I can always hope).

 

Put Travelle at RG. He will help out Bell or whoever plays RT. Amini needs to stay at LG

I really dont like the idea of moving Amini. i like the idea of amini and bell on the same side even less....I am guessing wharton gets plugged in a RG

In my infinite stupidity I would place Wharton at RT and move Bell into RG while Kubby heals up.  Leaving Bell on the outside scares me and book-ending him with Kalil and Wharton seems the lesser of 2 evils. 

 

If Kugbila returns do you want him replacing Bell or Wharton in week 3?

In my infinite stupidity I would place Wharton at RT and move Bell into RG while Kubby heals up.  Leaving Bell on the outside scares me and book-ending him with Kalil and Wharton seems the lesser of 2 evils. 

 

If Kugbila returns do you want him replacing Bell or Wharton in week 3?

 

you rotate kug in while he learns to take the skates off his feet.

 

i don't like starting rookies on the OL, regardless of what division they played in college or where they were drafted. bring them along slowly. throwing them in the fire might be good for their development, but it could effect the team in a really bad way.

 

bring kug along slowly this year. use him situationally when he's healthy again (rushing downs) and then go from there.

 

that's what i'd do, anyway.

Gross - Amini - Kalil - Wharton - Bell

Um you guys do realize Amini is only slightly better than Williams right?  So basically he sucks right now.

 

All this :

 

Amini is coming into his own

Amini is starting to get it.

 

We need another guard to replace him.

 

Call me crazy but I kinda like the idea of putting gross and wharton back together.  The left side of the line would actually be average to above average while the right side would stay the same.  With one side of the line solid and the other a little shaky we could keep a RB back to block or have a tightend help out.  Wharton could definitely help at right guard but bell is still gonna get beat regardless.

 

It would also make me feel good about running behind that stronger left side that could actually get some push.

 

But I don't think I'd be upset either way.  Not to mention with Amini's injury he may miss week one anyway.

I think you put Wharton where he gives Cam the most protection. if that is LG then you put him at LG where he's already familiar with Kalil and Gross. You can't put Amini's development as priority over Cam's protection if it means he can't step up and he's still getting hit all the time. The function of the offense as a whole is more important Amini's growing pains.

Depends how injured Amini is....

Maybe Wharton goes home to LG while Amini heals and they see what Kug looks like at RG if be can get back and evaluate from there....

Maybe hope you can pick up one more vet that has spend his career on the right

I bet they plug him back in at LG where he has always played. With Gross-Wharton-Kalil-Silatolu-Bell it will be like putting on an old pair of slippers. He has good chemistry with the left side. He will be protecting Cam's backside, and hopefully giving him more time to set his feet and make solid throws. Scheme an extra blocker with a TE or RB to help Silatolu and Bell. Armini can move over. I would rather have one weak spot in my offensive line than two.

I think you put Wharton where he gives Cam the most protection. if that is LG then you put him at LG where he's already familiar with Kalil and Gross. You can't put Amini's development as priority over Cam's protection if it means he can't step up and he's still getting hit all the time. The function of the offense as a whole is more important Amini's growing pains.

 

agreed, but he's needed more on the right. silatolu may not be a stud, but he's better than the guys on the right side. we need more experience and talent on the right. cam needs more help from that side as does the run game.
 

I bet they plug him back in at LG where he has always played. With Gross-Wharton-Kalil-Silatolu-Bell it will be like putting on an old pair of slippers. He has good chemistry with the left side. He will be protecting Cam's backside, and hopefully giving him more time to set his feet and make solid throws. Scheme an extra blocker with a TE or RB to help Silatolu and Bell. Armini can move over. I would rather have one weak spot in my offensive line than two.

 

Not to argue for the sake of arguing but the entire right side caves almost immediately on every snap.  I won't complain if there is any improvement but for the life of me I cannot see us not trying to shore up the right side before the left.  JMO.
 

Interesting note in today's Observor article about Wharton:

 

The 6-foot-4, 315-pound Wharton likely will play left guard, where he played almost exclusively during his Carolina tenure, next to left tackle Jordan Gross, his friend and neighbor. That would move second-year guard Amini Silatolu to the right side and could bump Garry Williams to a reserve role.

 

 

Wonder if this is based on something from team sources or just pulled out of their ass...

Not to argue for the sake of arguing but the entire right side caves almost immediately on every snap.  I won't complain if there is any improvement but for the life of me I cannot see us not trying to shore up the right side before the left.  JMO.
 

I can't argue this point except if you put an extra blocker over there it would help alot. I think Gettleman still needs to bring in another O line player for the right side. I'm not sure if a RT will be cut that is better than Bell, but if so I would sign them. Silatolu isn't too bad to have come from a division II school and to be in his second year.