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Wide Receiver Roundup

Apr 08 2014 05:33 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
The Carolina Panthers have made quite a few small moves at wide receiver this offseason, I think a roundup is in order for the casual fan.

Featured on their roster are nine total wide receivers.

Jason Avant, 6'0, 9 years exp

Brenton Bersin, 6'3, 1 year exp

Toney Clemmons, 6'2, 1 year exp
Jerricho Cotchery, 6'1, 11 years exp

Tavarres King, 6'1, 2 years exp

Marvin McNutt, 6'2, 2 years exp

Kealoha Pilares, 5'10, 4 years exp

Tiquan Underwood, 6'1, 6 years exp

RJ Webb, 6'2, 2 years exp

The Panthers typically keep up to 5 receivers on their regular season roster. Looking at this list, one could speculate that Bersin, Clemmons, Webb, and King are the odd men out. If the Panthers do draft one or more wide receivers in May, McNutt and Pilares are on the bubble. Yes, I know McNutt almost caught one pass against Atlanta last season. Cut it out.

This leaves the main players on the roster currently. Here is a bit on them individually.....

Jerricho Cotchery - The field general of the group. A solid number three with veteran savvy and more importantly an ability to make those around him better. A real asset in the locker room, perhaps a mentor for the younger guys (possibly drafted?).

Tiquan Underwood - A former 7th round selection that has managed to stick in the NFL and produce. You should not discount that fact, it shows real drive. He had 4 touchdowns last season and averages 18 yards a reception while being thrown to by inferior talent in Tampa Bay. Underwood could be poised to have a break out year with an actual legitimate QB for the first time in his career. Possible number 2 talent and an upgrade over Brandon Lafell depending on his ceiling.

Jason Avant - The most recent Panthers signing. Possibly a number 2 for the Panthers. Avant had a down year last year for the eagles. This was possibly due to Chip Kelly's offense spreading the ball around more. Before then, Avant had three consecutive seasons with over fifty completions.

The good news is the Panthers have not downgraded all that much from last season.

Many in the media are pointing out that the Panthers do not have a number one receiver on the roster. While this is true, one could argue they did not truly have a number one receiver last season either. A good indication of this is the fact that TE Greg Olsen led the team in receptions.

In summary, the Panthers are a draft pick or two away from actually having improved their wide receiver roster without spending much money to do so.

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still gotta see more, moves are good but there's still a lot of work to be done

Bryant would get by guys and and get fade passes thrown to him regularly...and Bryant would mostly "Drew Carter "everything....flash a huge play and drop a wide open TD.

I just do not trust the guy but that size and speed combo is hard to turn away from.

 

He sure did look good down the stretch.  A big fast target like Martavis to play opposite a true number one (Marqise Lee?) would be ideal.  Vets like Cotch and Avant as inside glue guys.

 

That could work nicely.

Sorry, Zod-RR, I have to agree with Boogie on this one. I really can't see discounting Underwood's experience playing on the Pats. I don't see it as a side note. Even if he didn't get on the field, there was a reason why he didn't get on the field and actually play with Brady. That being said, we can all still hold out hope that he has finally progressed to a point where he can take another step in reality, and within the minds of coaches.

Not trying to be funny, but King doesn't have two years of experience. He really doesn't even have a year of experience yet. He has a season of experience. His experience as a pro has been somewhat unsettled coming from Denver's practice squad to never seeing the field on a squad with a suspect receiving corps. That being said, perhaps he will make even more of a leap than Underwood or McNutt.

At this point I think that it's a bit presumptuous to discount/rank any of these guys. I believe they will all get a legitimate chance to compete for a roster spot, and a starting spot, alongside any rookies that we draft. In my opinion, we don't have the luxury to discount anyone.

I have been saying all along that Cotchery is the only lock. As for anyone else, we will see.

I have hope, but I don't feel that there's a need to blow sunshine up people's asses. We have a lot of work to do figuring out the receiving corps, and that includes the draft. I do believe that we can be better than last season though. That may not be saying too much. But we already have better hands.



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Sorry, Zod-RR, I have to agree with Boogie on this one. I really can't see discounting Underwood's experience playing on the Pats. I don't see it as a side note. Even if he didn't get on the field, there was a reason why he didn't get on the field and actually play with Brady. That being said, we can all still hold out hope that he has finally progressed to a point where he can take another step in reality, and within the minds of coaches.

Not trying to be funny, but King doesn't have two years of experience. He really doesn't even have a year of experience yet. He has a season of experience. His experience as a pro has been somewhat unsettled coming from Denver's practice squad to never seeing the field on a squad with a suspect receiving corps. That being said, perhaps he will make even more of a leap than Underwood or McNutt.

At this point I think that it's a bit presumptuous to discount/rank any of these guys. I believe they will all get a legitimate chance to compete for a roster spot, and a starting spot, alongside any rookies that we draft. In my opinion, we don't have the luxury to discount anyone.

I have been saying all along that Cotchery is the only lock. As for anyone else, we will see.

I have hope, but I don't feel that there's a need to blow sunshine up people's asses. We have a lot of work to do figuring out the receiving corps, and that includes the draft. I do believe that we can be better than last season though. That may not be saying too much. But we already have better hands.



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It's not a knock when a 3rd year 7th rounder gets little playing time behind:

 

Welker: 122 receptions

Gronkowski: 90 receptions

Hernandez: 79 receptions

Branch: 51 receptions

Woodhead: 18 receptions

I don't think Underwood is a lock but do think he gets a spot.  I think King is the one that emerges from the rest if we only get 1 receiver in the draft.  

 

Draft Pick

Cotchery

Avant

Underwood

King

 

 

 

 

You don't get invited to many parties, do you?

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Lol all the time, I'll be in Charlotte this weekend actually. I deny most invites so that I can focus on school while also working and raising a toddler approaching her terrible twos. However, I prefer travel. 

I like this guy.

Did he really PLAY a year with Brady?


Listed for 6 games, 3 receptions.

Yeah, not really sure we can count that.
Fact of the matter is Underwood put up 440 yards last year in 12 games with Mike Glennon throwing to him. The year before that he put up 425 in 14 games with Josh Freeman throwing to him. Glennon was a rookie, and last I checked, Freeman was still looking for a team.

Give the guy a chance with Cam.

I like this guy.

 

i like him too! there's a reason denver was pissed that we snagged him from their practice squad. very promising. and before anybody takes a shot about him being on the practice squad...when Von Miller returned from IR --- King was placed on the practice squad to make room on the 53 man roster for Miller.

Wow way to put words in my mouth.

I've said many times if any of the top 4 OT (Robinson, Matthews, Lewan, or Martin) drop in our laps they are the pick reregardless of what WR'S is there. But after that there will be at least 5 to 6 Wr rated higher then the next OT's imo.
Plus add in the fact that after the top 4 you're getting a guy that will play RT for at least 1 year before he moves to the left side. Those guys can be had in the 2nd and 3rd round with more value then taking them in the 1st.

Again this is just my opinion.

But you know none of those will not drop in our laps unless one tears their ACL sometime soon (hardly gonna happen) or Lewan drops.  We need offensive linemen badly dude, I do not want Byron Bell protecting Cam's blind side.  fug no, fug that, fuging fug no.  

But you know none of those will drop in our laps unless one tears their ACL sometime soon (hardly gonna happen) or Lewan drops. We need offensive linemen badly dude, I do not want Byron Bell protecting Cam's blind side. fug no, fug that, fuging fug no.


What you want and what's going to happen is 2 different things. You might want to prepare yourself for Bell being the LT this season. Unless 1 of the top 4 drop the other OT aren't going to be ready to play LT from day one. Anybody we draft after the top 4 will play RT for at least a season. Gross was a top 10 pick and didn't start on the left side. It might be scary to think of Bell on the left side. But it's scarier to think of a 5th rated rookie OT starting at LT
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Apr 08 2014 01:28 PM
Here is a breakdown of the Panthers WR from last year vs what they will have this coming season. 2013 production comparison & future cap hit comparisons. The cap hit for Smith is not what he's making in Baltimore, rather what he would've been owed by Carolina if he was not released. Rookie figures are the averages of WRs drafted in the bottom 3rd of rounds 1-3 last year (Hopkins, Patterson, Dobson, Bailey), where Carolina will most likely pick up a WR this year.



2013 production-

old guys- 156 Rec, 1982 Yd, 15 TD
new guys- 146 Rec, 2001 Yd, 19 TD

2014 salary cap hit-

old- $12.1mil
new- $7.6mil (includes $3mil owed to Smith)

total committed to 2015 & 2016-

old- $35mil
new- $11.7mil



Smith- 64 Rec, 744 Yd, 4 TD
Rookie- 38 Rec, 505 Yd, 3 TD

Smith- '14 $6 mil, '15 $9mil, '16 $11mil
Rookie- '14 $970k (+ $3mil), '15 $1.2mil, '16 $1.5mil


LaFell- 49 Rec, 627 Yd, 5 TD
Cotchery- 46 Rec, 609 Yd, 10 TD

LaFell- '14 $2mil, '15 $3.2mil, '16 3.8mil
Cotchery- '14 $1.7mil, '15 $1.9mil


Ginn Jr- 36 Rec, 556 Yd, 5 TD
Avant- 38 Rec, 447 Yd, 2 TD

Ginn Jr- '14 $2.2mil, '15 $4mil, '16 $4mil
Avant- '14 $1mil


Hixon- 7 Rec, 55 Yd, 1 TD
Underwood- 24 Rec, 440 Yd, 4 TD

Hixon- '14 $924k
Underwood- '14 $925k, '15 $1.1mil














GM Dave Gettleman- 1
Huddle armchair GMs- 0

Don't know if it's already been said, but Pilares over King? 5'10" vs 6'1", coming off injury on a contract year vs young potential with 3 more years on the cheap. To me it's Cotchery, Avant, Underwood, McNutt and King with this roster snap shot. I don't see Pilares making the 53.

Here is a breakdown of the Panthers WR from last year vs what they will have this coming season. 2013 production comparison & future cap hit comparisons. The cap hit for Smith is not what he's making in Baltimore, rather what he would've been owed by Carolina if he was not released. Rookie figures are the averages of WRs drafted in the bottom 3rd of rounds 1-3 last year (Hopkins, Patterson, Dobson, Bailey), where Carolina will most likely pick up a WR this year.



2013 production-

old guys- 156 Rec, 1982 Yd, 15 TD
new guys- 146 Rec, 2001 Yd, 19 TD

2014 salary cap hit-

old- $12.1mil
new- $7.6mil (includes $3mil owed to Smith)

total committed to 2015 & 2016-

old- $35mil
new- $11.7mil



Smith- 64 Rec, 744 Yd, 4 TD
Rookie- 38 Rec, 505 Yd, 3 TD

Smith- '14 $6 mil, '15 $9mil, '16 $11mil
Rookie- '14 $970k (+ $3mil), '15 $1.2mil, '16 $1.5mil


LaFell- 49 Rec, 627 Yd, 5 TD
Cotchery- 46 Rec, 609 Yd, 10 TD

LaFell- '14 $2mil, '15 $3.2mil, '16 3.8mil
Cotchery- '14 $1.7mil, '15 $1.9mil


Ginn Jr- 36 Rec, 556 Yd, 5 TD
Avant- 38 Rec, 447 Yd, 2 TD

Ginn Jr- '14 $2.2mil, '15 $4mil, '16 $4mil
Avant- '14 $1mil


Hixon- 7 Rec, 55 Yd, 1 TD
Underwood- 24 Rec, 440 Yd, 4 TD

Hixon- '14 $924k
Underwood- '14 $925k, '15 $1.1mil














GM Dave Gettleman- 1
Huddle armchair GMs- 0


How many accounts does this one make for you now?

It's not a knock when a 3rd year 7th rounder gets little playing time behind:

Welker: 122 receptions
Gronkowski: 90 receptions
Hernandez: 79 receptions
Branch: 51 receptions
Woodhead: 18 receptions

I am not saying that it was or wasn't a knock. But I will say that if you're in your third year, you should be able to get on the field if you are taken seriously as a starter. Someone with Underwood's size and speed compared to some of those munchkins...

It hasn't got past me that the Bucs let him walk either. That being said, I like Underwood from what I've seen and heard about him, and I am rooting for him. He will have as good a shot as anyone else to stick and even start.

I think that the field is wide open, and I am not going to discount anyone, but neither am I going to jump for joy until I see more.

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Btw, Vikings signed WR Lester Jean who we brought in for a tryout three weeks ago. 

i like him too! there's a reason denver was pissed that we snagged him from their practice squad. very promising. and before anybody takes a shot about him being on the practice squad...when Von Miller returned from IR --- King was placed on the practice squad to make room on the 53 man roster for Miller.

 

King's issue is dealing with the jam.  He needs to get a more consistent release to be the deep threat that he's capapble of being.  Getting stronger should be a priority for him.

 

Glad we got him but we need more, obviously.

you will have to able pass the ball sooner or later. And not just to move the chains but to make big plays. You have a big play QB not a game manager. You don't handcuff him.


Cam is only 24 years old with only 3 years NFL experience. The biggest positive with our new WRs is we got Cam two veteran WRs that each have triple the NFL experience Cam has in J-Co and Avant. That sounds like pretty good news to me. Add Olsen, and that is three good targets for Cam in addition to the 561 yds our RB caught for last year. As for the other WR roster spots, we have a handful of young developmental prospects ready to compete and we'll probably add more in this draft (that is top heavy in stud WR prospects).

Has anybody seen this guy Paul Richardson play?  Check out his scouting report and watch the film if you've never seen him.  I think he'd be a great deep threat for us.  He's got the quickness and the long speed plus he's s tough player.

 

I'd love to steal him in the 3rd or 4th if he slips.  He definitely gives up what we currently lack.  

 

We need to take at least two receivers in this draft.

What you want and what's going to happen is 2 different things. You might want to prepare yourself for Bell being the LT this season. Unless 1 of the top 4 drop the other OT aren't going to be ready to play LT from day one. Anybody we draft after the top 4 will play RT for at least a season. Gross was a top 10 pick and didn't start on the left side. It might be scary to think of Bell on the left side. But it's scarier to think of a 5th rated rookie OT starting at LT

Or...you might want to prepare yourself for an OT like CK or Moses being the #28 pick.  There is a REAL possibility that this happens.

Or...you might want to prepare yourself for an OT like CK or Moses being the #28 pick.  There is a REAL possibility that this happens.

 

Hey, you need to protect Cam.  If you can solve another problem in round one, that's good business.

 

This is the deepest WR draft in forever, so you can definitely wait on the position as long as you are willing to draft a few of them over the course of the draft.

Here is a breakdown of the Panthers WR from last year vs what they will have this coming season. 2013 production comparison & future cap hit comparisons. The cap hit for Smith is not what he's making in Baltimore, rather what he would've been owed by Carolina if he was not released. Rookie figures are the averages of WRs drafted in the bottom 3rd of rounds 1-3 last year (Hopkins, Patterson, Dobson, Bailey), where Carolina will most likely pick up a WR this year.



2013 production-

old guys- 156 Rec, 1982 Yd, 15 TD
new guys- 146 Rec, 2001 Yd, 19 TD

2014 salary cap hit-

old- $12.1mil
new- $7.6mil (includes $3mil owed to Smith)

total committed to 2015 & 2016-

old- $35mil
new- $11.7mil



Smith- 64 Rec, 744 Yd, 4 TD
Rookie- 38 Rec, 505 Yd, 3 TD

Smith- '14 $6 mil, '15 $9mil, '16 $11mil
Rookie- '14 $970k (+ $3mil), '15 $1.2mil, '16 $1.5mil


LaFell- 49 Rec, 627 Yd, 5 TD
Cotchery- 46 Rec, 609 Yd, 10 TD

LaFell- '14 $2mil, '15 $3.2mil, '16 3.8mil
Cotchery- '14 $1.7mil, '15 $1.9mil


Ginn Jr- 36 Rec, 556 Yd, 5 TD
Avant- 38 Rec, 447 Yd, 2 TD

Ginn Jr- '14 $2.2mil, '15 $4mil, '16 $4mil
Avant- '14 $1mil


Hixon- 7 Rec, 55 Yd, 1 TD
Underwood- 24 Rec, 440 Yd, 4 TD

Hixon- '14 $924k
Underwood- '14 $925k, '15 $1.1mil














GM Dave Gettleman- 1
Huddle armchair GMs- 0

 

This! Pretty clear DG was making the right moves all along...but people like Ace...nevermind. The closeminded people on this site can't see it and refuse to acknowledge it.

What you want and what's going to happen is 2 different things. You might want to prepare yourself for Bell being the LT this season. Unless 1 of the top 4 drop the other OT aren't going to be ready to play LT from day one. Anybody we draft after the top 4 will play RT for at least a season. Gross was a top 10 pick and didn't start on the left side. It might be scary to think of Bell on the left side. But it's scarier to think of a 5th rated rookie OT starting at LT

I really don't think so.  I would rather have James Hurst starting over Byron Bell on the left side.  Did you watch him this year?  He is absolutely awful.  

Or...you might want to prepare yourself for an OT like CK or Moses being the #28 pick. There is a REAL possibility that this happens.


There is also a real possibility a WR rated hire then a RT. Will be the BPA at 28th.