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Are the Panthers attractive to a GM prospect?
Jan 06 2013 08:11 AM | Zod in Carolina Panthers
If I am a high level executive looking at prospective employers, no matter the industry, I am first going to look at the task at hand. What will my responsibilities be, what will I need to fix or improve. Will I be given the support from the owner or board to fix those issues? Or am I being set up to fail?
Surely these are the same things any GM will be asking.
When I see the Panthers, I see a team with a couple extremely talented young players, but also a good number of cap heavy older non producers. I also see ownership that isn't exactly eager to aggressively seek out free agents to fill holes unless left no other option.
So, I would line up the pros and cons...
Pros
An owner that is loyal. Previous GM had longevity through losing seasons.
2 potential young all pro players at key positions, QB and MLB
3rd year coach with system in place, not starting over
Team seemed to rally late in the year, being 6-2
Cons
A complete mess of a cap
Major cuts needed right away to long term vets, leadership and chemistry will take a hit
Ownership is not exactly eager to sign free agents or trades to fill holes unless last resort
3rd year coach who can't seem to win games against quality teams
An overall tradition of losing.
The way I see it, the Carolina GM job isn't extremely attractive, but it isn't terrible either. It's somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Top notch GM candidates will have better opportunities and take them. Secondary prospects will see the Panthers as an opportunity to impress.
Beane being a secondary prospect and already in house gives him the edge. See loyalty above. All things point to him being our guy.
Surely these are the same things any GM will be asking.
When I see the Panthers, I see a team with a couple extremely talented young players, but also a good number of cap heavy older non producers. I also see ownership that isn't exactly eager to aggressively seek out free agents to fill holes unless left no other option.
So, I would line up the pros and cons...
Pros
An owner that is loyal. Previous GM had longevity through losing seasons.
2 potential young all pro players at key positions, QB and MLB
3rd year coach with system in place, not starting over
Team seemed to rally late in the year, being 6-2
Cons
A complete mess of a cap
Major cuts needed right away to long term vets, leadership and chemistry will take a hit
Ownership is not exactly eager to sign free agents or trades to fill holes unless last resort
3rd year coach who can't seem to win games against quality teams
An overall tradition of losing.
The way I see it, the Carolina GM job isn't extremely attractive, but it isn't terrible either. It's somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Top notch GM candidates will have better opportunities and take them. Secondary prospects will see the Panthers as an opportunity to impress.
Beane being a secondary prospect and already in house gives him the edge. See loyalty above. All things point to him being our guy.
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I know plans are in the works, but is its current state a factor?
I would also add in a little too much interference from ownership in how he assembles his coaching staff and roster as a big negative.
As far as I'm concerned, a prospective GM is interviewing the owner as much as vice versa to answer some of the very questions you posed:
1. An owner that is loyal. Where does that loyalty lie? Is it with the ownership group that cares about little else except the bottom line or is there any loyalty toward the fan base, without whom your stadium would not have been built?
2. 3rd year coach with system in place, not starting over. What system? 6-10 to 7-9 with an offense that clearly regressed the first 9 weeks of the season and had a second year QB playing worse than he did the third week of his rookie season without the benefit of training camp? So, what exactly is the system and what is the vision?
3. Ownership is not exactly eager to sign free agents or trades to fill holes unless last resort. Sometimes it is a necessity to sign a talented free agent if for no other reason than a stop-gap measure until someone is developed enough to start.
4. 3rd year coach who can't seem to win games against quality teams. An overall tradition of losing. I combined these two as I think they both relate back to the first question on the list. This is the most important conversation any prospective GM can have with the owner because, as blasphemous as it may sound, there are owners out there who couldn't care less about the team's performance as long as the bottom line is black, and JR may be one of those- and I promise you nobody on this board knows for certain.
I don't believe so for a GM. If it was Danny Morrison's job, then yes.
We cant draw a quality GM for the same reasons the Cowgirls cant and the Raiders couldnt when Al was alive.
I do think this is an appealing option for a myriad of reasons.
Dream job? Maybe not, but I don't think it would deter many people just because its Carolina.
For example teams that we've had more success then over the last 10 years then.
Browns
Jags
Dolphins
Bucs
Falcons
Cowboys
Redskins
Jets - close but we've been to a Super Bowl and they haven't
Bills
Texans
Titans
Broncos
Bengals
Vikings
Raiders
Rams
49ers - sucked till Jim got there
Cardinals - only 1 really good season
Every one of those teams an argument can be made that we have been better then and that's just off the top of my head.
Now if you are talking about just in the last 3-4 years then yes, but I think that could be easily remedied with cutting a few of our over paid vets.
shut your ***** mouth.
luke keuchly
we are one of the most attractive prospects from a personnel perspective based on those two alone.
I just find it odd that Arcosi was brought in to consult and has done so for what.. Like 13 weeks now? Who knows the organization better than he and Beane at this point? Arcosi has GM experience... Just a thought
Again, posting these type of things shows your true ignorance!
As far as "an overall tradition of losing" I would have to disagree. We have had a tough couple of years but the franchise has just as many ten win seasons as it has ten loss seasons. Most years are 7-9 or 8-8. I would say we have an overall tradition of mediocrity.
A former NFL player with a Super Bowl ring isn't a "football guy?" Am I missing something?
Edit: The 1959 NFL Championship Game
Neither the Raiders nor the Cowboys ever looked for a GM under Jones or Davis since they are/were both owner and GM, established in their respective corporations as such and hold the title. Again, Am I missing something?
This I can tell you- firing Hurney when he did, and not hiring a new GM before announcing to everyone Rivera will be staying is, to me, a pretty strong indication that JR is a helluva lot more involved in personnel decisions than most people thought.
How "appealing" is the job if JR tells the next GM he has to keep Gross, Gamble, Beason and a handful of other major cap liabilities while at the same time telling Rivera he better make the playoffs or else? That's like telling the pizza delivery kid with 2 flat tires and only 1 spare that he needs to finish his runs.
If the job of a GM is to turn the team into a winning franchise, we are closer than a number of teams who canned GMs. Once the Philly job and the Jets job get settled, we would be the next most attractive.
Without knowing the owners and the mandate they have moving forward, who's to say? That's why they all interview with multiple teams, so they can make that decision for themselves.
Who knows, there may be a team out there with a terrible history of success, but with an owner who is willing to give total autonomy to the new GM. In some respects, that job may be more appealing because at least the GM knows the success or failure of the team was, for the most part, of his own doing.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Simply playing devil's advocate because the entire Huddle population seems to be wearing their rose colored glasses.
Nobody wants to even think about the other side of the coin. Everyone is so enamored with the Panthers being a winning franchise and that Jerry Richardson wants to win at all costs... blah, blah, blah... nobody knows.
Yet they'll stand right here and tell you there is no better job in the NFL than being the GM of the Carolina Panthers... without ever having spoken to the guy who's going to sign your paycheck.
I really think that despite Jerry's meddling, Carolina is more likely than any of the others to set a new GM up for success. Even if they lose next year, it can be blamed on Rivera. And we have serious young talent.
and what, exactly is the difference between Jets owner Woody Johnson announcing Ryan is staying and Panthers owner Jerry Richardson saying Rivera is staying? None...absolutely no difference. Big difference in personalities and possibly a big difference in ownership philosophies, but the bottom line is the same- the owners made a GM-type decision before hiring their next GM.
And what happens if the Jets are willing to pay $2M a year more for a GM than Richardson will? Is someone going to tell me the Panthers job is still more attractive?