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Are the Panthers attractive to a GM prospect?
Jan 06 2013 08:11 AM | Zod in Carolina Panthers
If I am a high level executive looking at prospective employers, no matter the industry, I am first going to look at the task at hand. What will my responsibilities be, what will I need to fix or improve. Will I be given the support from the owner or board to fix those issues? Or am I being set up to fail?
Surely these are the same things any GM will be asking.
When I see the Panthers, I see a team with a couple extremely talented young players, but also a good number of cap heavy older non producers. I also see ownership that isn't exactly eager to aggressively seek out free agents to fill holes unless left no other option.
So, I would line up the pros and cons...
Pros
An owner that is loyal. Previous GM had longevity through losing seasons.
2 potential young all pro players at key positions, QB and MLB
3rd year coach with system in place, not starting over
Team seemed to rally late in the year, being 6-2
Cons
A complete mess of a cap
Major cuts needed right away to long term vets, leadership and chemistry will take a hit
Ownership is not exactly eager to sign free agents or trades to fill holes unless last resort
3rd year coach who can't seem to win games against quality teams
An overall tradition of losing.
The way I see it, the Carolina GM job isn't extremely attractive, but it isn't terrible either. It's somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Top notch GM candidates will have better opportunities and take them. Secondary prospects will see the Panthers as an opportunity to impress.
Beane being a secondary prospect and already in house gives him the edge. See loyalty above. All things point to him being our guy.
Surely these are the same things any GM will be asking.
When I see the Panthers, I see a team with a couple extremely talented young players, but also a good number of cap heavy older non producers. I also see ownership that isn't exactly eager to aggressively seek out free agents to fill holes unless left no other option.
So, I would line up the pros and cons...
Pros
An owner that is loyal. Previous GM had longevity through losing seasons.
2 potential young all pro players at key positions, QB and MLB
3rd year coach with system in place, not starting over
Team seemed to rally late in the year, being 6-2
Cons
A complete mess of a cap
Major cuts needed right away to long term vets, leadership and chemistry will take a hit
Ownership is not exactly eager to sign free agents or trades to fill holes unless last resort
3rd year coach who can't seem to win games against quality teams
An overall tradition of losing.
The way I see it, the Carolina GM job isn't extremely attractive, but it isn't terrible either. It's somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Top notch GM candidates will have better opportunities and take them. Secondary prospects will see the Panthers as an opportunity to impress.
Beane being a secondary prospect and already in house gives him the edge. See loyalty above. All things point to him being our guy.
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Again, my point exactly. The fact that the coaching decision is now a moot point based upon the owner's decision, I'm taking the job which offers me the best compensation package regardless because I can always lay the performance of the team at the feet of the coach.
Let's not forget the GM is a contract position unlike players- it's guaranteed no matter what. So, if I'm a prospective GM and I know I'm stuck with Ryan or Rivera (also guaranteed contracts) for at least one more year, I'll go wherever they make me the best offer knowing that maybe I'll have some say in who the next coach is.
Let's face it- Tannenbaum wasn't fired because Sanchez isn't very good, nor was Hurney fired because Rivera is not a great coach. I think they were both let go for 2 reasons- to give the fanbase a reason to hope for a better future and because they probably both put their teams in salary cap hell.
Yea but I mean...we can always look at the evidence.
This should drive away anyone that's worth a damn
Richardson played what? 4 years? 4 decades ago? He's much more knowledgeable in foods. I guess Michael Jordan is a bball guy since he is the GOAT. Nevermind he makes horrible decisions and has brought in real execs who understand bball like Brown and Cho. No one thinks Jordan is this great bball exec even despite playing.He's swallowed his pride and removed himself from all bball related decisions. JR isnt smart enough to do this. He thinks he's Rooney, but our results say otherwise. He needs REAL football people in his organization not his old drinking buddies. As a football guy, JR gets you 7-9 at best.
If what you are saying about the cap is true the job should be attractive.I think we are about 4 players away form being a playoff team.
Chiefs 2-14, Cassel, Andy Reid and 1st overall pick
Jags 2-14, Gabbert, Mularkey and 2nd overall pick
Browns 5-11 Weeden,Mccoy, Vacant and 6th overall pick
Cardinals 5-11, Kolb/Skelton, Vacant and 7th overall pick
Jets- 6-10,Sanchez, Rex Ryan and 9th overall pick
Chargers 7-9, Rivers,Vacant and 11th overall pick
Of those teams it looks like the Jags(Mularkey still up in air like Rivera was until yesterday) and Chargers will allow their GM candidates to pick their own coaching staff. Granted by the time they land their job they will have missed the opportunity to interview at least 2 candidates(Reid and Marrone) and possibly 1 more in Chip Kelly.
Now that they missed on Reid, AZ may also be a team that hires a GM before having a head coach in place. Same might be able to be said for the Browns job if Chip kelly goes to Philly.
And, again, you are making the assumption that I've been asserting throughout the entire thread- nobody knows just how involved JR is in the personnel decisions of this team. I'm not saying I agree with the assumption one way or the other, but as time goes by I'm starting to lean toward the notion that JR is a lot more controlling than a lot of people think. And, if that is the case, then part of your premise is correct.
It all depends on what JRs expectations of a GM are.I got the feeling that Hurneys 1st priority was to do what JR ask and his second was to win games. Its impossible to know if JR helps or impedes us from winning.My guess it is the latter.
Coach and GM are two decisions all owners have a say in....it isn't like it is just JR and Jerry Jones that come out for those
yep i agree
he should have a say, but so should the GM.which we had a head start on the rest of the NFL but have yet to interview any prospects. im not saying he shouldnt be part of the process, but he shouldnt be the process.
Well, there are many examples of owners in the last decade who have put a coach in the seat and not leaving it up to a GM.
Anyone we interview will jump on the job without reservation if they get the offer.
Its kind of weak to take a GM job of a team that is ALREADY successful and ALREADY proven. Sure, doing so might be great for his bank account assuming he can maintain the status quo.
But the mark of a TRULY good manager is one that can rise a business up. In this case, that manager can take on the challenge of a team with financial resources (not talking about cap space) and a talented young QB with a handful of up and coming stars (Luke, Hardy, LaFell) that has been performing at a sub-par level and rise it up to something greater.
I dont get much into the GM hunt, names, etc...but I hope we can attract a GM who chooses us based on what they perceive as potential to make a name for themselves, a GM that can get poo done...to rev the car from 40mph to 100mph, rather than a GM that is content to cruise at 70mph. I dont want a GM that makes their decision based on the "safe bet", but one that is willing to challenge this team and themselves to something beyond what we are now.
I think Zod's trolling a little with that last line.
As to the topic, I'll go jeopardy style and answer in the form of a question (two questions, actually).
One: Do we have solid candidates lined up to interview for the job?
The answer to that is yes. Four good candidates confirmed so far, two of whom I'd consider very good, and a few other possibles in John Dorsey and Jim Popp.
Two: Has anyone declined to interview thus far?
The answer to that one is no. That's something the Jets can't say right now. Likewise, Tom Gamble was offered a second interview with the Jags and said "no thanks".
I'd add that by accounts, most of the other GM openings are pretty close to settled (only the Browns are still wide open, if memory serves). So yeah, we're almost the only gig in town right now.
Woddy Johnson brought in The Golden Calf of Bristol.. lol
Really? Seems to me the owner is making the coaching decisions on this team... at least he's done so with the last 2 coaches.
"Richardson has always let the GM manage the money and players."
And how do you know this to be fact?
"Woddy Johnson brought in The Golden Calf of Bristol.. lol"
How do you know this wasn't the Mike Tannebaum move that got him fired?
Two: Has anyone declined to interview thus far?
The answer to that one is no. That's something the Jets can't say right now. Likewise, Tom Gamble was offered a second interview with the Jags and said "no thanks".
But with this statement comes the biggest disclaimer known to man..."according to sources..."
Nobody knew dick about Rivera's situation until JR issued the press release. What makes you think anything regarding a GM is any different?
You have to spend money, to make money, and you have to win to get the followers and get the money from tickets, and merchandise.
Here's hope'n that the puzzle that is putting together an NFL Franchise with staying power comes sooner than later for the Panthers. but saying that JR is only in it to make money... at his age, and health... I see no reasoning behind that.
Candidates are reportedly set to start interviewing Monday, likely Gettleman first, then Ross.
The other names have only recently come out, but had they declined, yes we would have heard.