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Competency Trumps Continuity

Oct 08 2013 04:49 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
This past offseason when Ron Rivera needed to fill the void left by Chudzinski's departure, he had a choice to make. He could bring in an outside hire who would implement a new offensive scheme or he could promote Mike Shula and keep continuity in the offense.

Both choices had their merits and their problems.

An outside hire would have brought fresh eyes to the offense and could have been coached by someone with a decent track record. The problem was that Cam Newton and the offense would need to learn and implement a new offensive scheme. Ron Rivera knew 2013 was his last year to prove himself. A slow start in a new system would be quite a gamble. If there is one thing we know about Rivera, its that he doesn't like to take chances.

Therefore, Rivera chose to promote Mike Shula. Shula was able to keep the playbook nearly in tact. The Panthers would not have to learn new terminology or plays. However, Shula also brought a history of less than mediocre coaching. His coaching stints in Tampa Bay and Alabama ended with poor results and firings. Rivera chose continuity over competency.

Hopes were high this offseason and even up until now that Shula had learned from Chudzinski and from his peers since his days at Alabama. Shula's history of not being able to counter in-game adjustments or score points in the red zone surely were obstacles that he could pull through.

The result? The Panthers offense is currently ranked 24th in total yards and 27th in points scored per game. Shula still has time to get the offense improved. Exactly how much time is unknown, however.

So far this season the Panthers have lost to two teams (Buffalo, Arizona) who are in their first year of a new offensive scheme.

It appears, for now, that competency has trumped continuity

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Sadly, I agree.

I was one that thought Shula made sense.
Yeah it wasn't really a choice. What quality OC wants to join the staff of a lame duck coach?

Wasn't dumbing down the offense supposed to help Cam?  Part of the rub against Chud was too many complicated, gimmick plays?

 

Which way do we want it?

Wasn't dumbing down the offense supposed to help Cam? Part of the rub against Chud was too many complicated, gimmick plays?

Which way do we want it?


Dumbing it down? Correct yourself fool. All The Panthers did was cut down on the verbiage and gimmicky, flashy plays. If that equals 'dumbing it down' then I don't think you have grasped the concept of slow-witted. Furthermore, stop talking as if we only have two options here. We can be sexy AND efficient.

The biggest complaint wasn't the complexity of the playbook. It was calling the right plays at the right time. Something the Panthers offense has been lacking for years and years.

Wasn't dumbing down the offense supposed to help Cam? Part of the rub against Chud was too many complicated, gimmick plays?

Which way do we want it?


Ther is nothing wrong with the offensive sche mm e...There is something wrong with the play calling

Dumbing it down? Correct yourself fool. All The Panthers did was cut down on the verbiage and gimmicky, flashy plays. If that equals 'dumbing it down' then I don't think you have grasped the concept of slow-witted. Furthermore, stop talking as if we only have two options here. We can be sexy AND efficient.

 

I think you are too used to defending the offense to be objective.  Dumbing down is often used phrase.  Taking out a lot of verbiage, flashy plays, gimmicky plays and running simpler plays is exactly what I was talking about.
 

The argument that hiring a new OC would result in the offense not being prepared early on in the season is BS. Cam and the rest of the offense learned Chud's scheme in a shortened and irregular offseason due to the lockout. Can even made the transition from a college spread option to a more pro style offense during this time. Give them a true offseason and there shouldn't have been problems.
The real reason for the Shula hire, as xerxes mentioned, is what quality OC wanted to take a one year deal to coach under what is essentially a head coach on a one year deal? Gettleman and JR were only interested in hiring an OC to a one year contract. What kind of message does that send?
Hiring Shula was the only move left and the continuity aspect was given to try to ease the fears of the fan base. Everyone knows Shula's trackrecord as an OC. Most hoped he learned from Chud and had grown while fearing he was the same coach he has always been.
Now I'm the last person to blame coaches as I spent 8 years as one myself (HS) but this isn't just on the coaching. Shula is who we feared he would be and management is ultimately to blame. They handcuffed Rivera and this is the result. Gettleman will get his wish and hire the coach that he wants.

The woes of our offense aren't limited to coaching, but it sure is a starting point.  In hindsight (after four games), it seems like an outside choice would have been preferable.  Maybe a coach with a good history who had a bad year and got canned?  Someone who wanted to prove something?  Did Cam Cameron get a job this year?  Or possibly a position coach with a great play calling/scheming talent?

 

I mean, it comes down to Shula not adjusting, scheming or calling the right plays in a given situation.  Our offense will have these moments of "Holy crap, we're getting it together" followed by hours of "WTF?!?!"

 

I think Cam did really well in Chud's offense his first two years.  Complex plays and all.  I thought the goal this off season was to play faster?  When we play faster/uptempo, we play A LOT better.  I'd like to see that happen.  Go with speed, and if we pile up the points, unleash the Kracken!  Wasn't that the goal?  Why aren't we there?  

It isn't hindsight for everyone
I think if Shula is gonna be your OC....

Your GM better be smart enough to go do something with an offensive line.

Gettlemen somehow gets a pass. F that, he is part of it too. There was enough tape on our OL and Shula to know our OL.....would be a major issue. Gettlemen allowed us to have enter with weak starters and no depth.

In order for Shula to be able to be a decent OC...he needs certain things. He doesn't have those things.
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Yeah it wasn't really a choice. What quality OC wants to join the staff of a lame duck coach?

 

 

The argument that hiring a new OC would result in the offense not being prepared early on in the season is BS. Cam and the rest of the offense learned Chud's scheme in a shortened and irregular offseason due to the lockout. Can even made the transition from a college spread option to a more pro style offense during this time. Give them a true offseason and there shouldn't have been problems.
The real reason for the Shula hire, as xerxes mentioned, is what quality OC wanted to take a one year deal to coach under what is essentially a head coach on a one year deal? Gettleman and JR were only interested in hiring an OC to a one year contract. What kind of message does that send?
Hiring Shula was the only move left and the continuity aspect was given to try to ease the fears of the fan base. Everyone knows Shula's trackrecord as an OC. Most hoped he learned from Chud and had grown while fearing he was the same coach he has always been.
Now I'm the last person to blame coaches as I spent 8 years as one myself (HS) but this isn't just on the coaching. Shula is who we feared he would be and management is ultimately to blame. They handcuffed Rivera and this is the result. Gettleman will get his wish and hire the coach that he wants.

 

This and this x1000.  The fault lies with Jerry Richardson, again, by not getting rid of the coach along with the GM. No OC worth a damn was going to come in here on a one year deal. I for one had hoped that Shula had learned since his TB and Bama days.  The lack of in-game adjustments is astounding.

CRA,
You are right. That's why I said that everyone knew what Shula was. Everyone knew what kind of offense he was going to run. Gettleman gave him the bare minimum to succeed and when he and ultimately the team and Rivera fail, Gettleman gets what he wants.....the opportunity to hire the HC that he wants instead of the one he was given.

I am not all for firing people and things of that nature but Gettleman should have had his choice of the coaching staff. I am hoping Shula gets it together but so far it is not looking good. It is not just coaching though. When we finally call the right plays, our players seem to forget how to play football. We are 1-3 with plenty of football left. I just hope we can turn it around and make a run. One question, I was hearing a lot that the Panthers were only willing to sign an OC to a one year contract. Where is everyone getting that from?

The system might have worked this weekend had smith & lafelle converted on two huge plays in the 1st half. When lafelle dropped the 4th and 1 pass it seemed all the momentum shifted to the cardinals and never swung back. Possibly because the playcalling became an act of desperation? It seemed Olsen was our best option, but was never to be seen again in the 2nd half. I feel like we abandoned whatever gameplan we had. Unless that plan was td or bust?

I am not all for firing people and things of that nature but Gettleman should have had his choice of the coaching staff. I am hoping Shula gets it together but so far it is not looking good. It is not just coaching though. When we finally call the right plays, our players seem to forget how to play football. We are 1-3 with plenty of football left. I just hope we can turn it around and make a run. One question, I was hearing a lot that the Panthers were only willing to sign an OC to a one year contract. Where is everyone getting that from?


Fox got handicapped as well late with OCs. Our HCs don't get to hire anyone they want....they settle on poo.

Fox and Rivera both were made to look worse than they are by our front office.

I am done coach bashing until our FO steps up. They deserve the blame. They are the worst part of the equation

Fox got handicapped as well late with OCs. Our HCs don't get to hire anyone they want....they settle on poo.

Fox and Rivera both were made to look worse than they are by our front office.

I am done coach bashing until our FO steps up. They deserve the blame. They are the worst part of the equation

 

 

I definitely understand what you are saying. Our FO is the reasoning why we were strapped for cash. If only we had an OC that would utilize this talent we would have a winning record. I strongly believe that. The defense has put us in good positions all year. We just can't score.

I definitely understand what you are saying. Our FO is the reasoning why we were strapped for cash. If only we had an OC that would utilize this talent we would have a winning record. I strongly believe that. The defense has put us in good positions all year. We just can't score.


our players have done Shula no favors.

I think they overall have been a bigger disappointment than Shula. Dropped balls and fumbled away opportunities against Sea, dropped balls against AZ in scoring scenarios early.

So even if we changed what we are doing on O....that stuff stops any from working

our players have done Shula no favors.

I think they overall have been a bigger disappointment than Shula. Dropped balls and fumbled away opportunities against Sea, dropped balls against AZ in scoring scenarios early.

So even if we changed what we are doing on O....that stuff stops any from working

 

True. Just when we are finally moving the chains, something always happen. Whether a big fumble at the wrong time, a drop pass that would have moved the chains or our players dropping a sure TD. It baffles me sometimes how this always happen to us. While I do agree accountability starts up top, players are still the ones that have to go out there and execute. Heck, you can have the best OC in history and if the players suddenly forgot how to protect the ball, protect the QB or make a catch, it all won't mean a thing.

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Herbert The Love Bug
Oct 08 2013 07:25 AM
Yeah but shula went undefeated as a head coach with the dolphins

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I can't say that I am thrilled with Shula but he isn't the only scapegoat in all of this. Plus I will judge his entire body of work and not rely on just 4 games, 2 of which were more on the players than the scheme

he is who i feared he would be.

 

it's just a shame the players can't execute perfectly, which apparently is needed for shula´s offense to work cause even just one mistake throws everything off and they can never adjust the offense to get back on track.

 

it's also a shame that opposing defenses adapt to what we do because that just hurts our set in stone gameplan. i mean what's a team to do? adapt and adjust mid game to do something that works? who does that?

The players were all behind Shula, Cam behind Shula, who also seems to have to be waaaaay more than an OC.  Read between the lines in some of the articles I posted.

I remember posting that "Shula fired" Bucs OC newspaper clip and some idiot here tried to be like "oh yeah well you probably weren't even born when Shula was OC of the Bucs" or some dumb poo.

 

Yeah, joke's on you buddy.