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Don't Overlook Gilmore

Apr 21 2012 05:32 PM ClarkCam Carolina Panthers
Let me explain my thoughts and reasoning. This guy has 4.4 speed, is 6'1", 190 pounds, and is all around prototypical corner build. This guy has also played at the SEC level and was a leader on his team. Gilmore has been shooting up draft boards and has even been rumored to be seen as better than Claiborne. If we got this guy, I think this would be not a reach, but a great pick. It fills a need, and he would arguable be the best player on the board.

Here are sources citing how highly he is ranked comparatively to Claiborne, and picks.

SI's Peter King, Dan Pompei of the National Football Post, and NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Mike Lombardi have all recently either reported or suggested that Gilmore is top-ten material. In Caplan's mock draft he has Gilmore going to Buffalo with the tenth overall pick.

People all around the league are talking about the potential and skill of this guy, and most of you are too stubborn to like him. All corners will get burned, and yes, he needs to stay lower to the ground in his backpedal, but this guy is top 10 material.

NFL Films' Greg Cosell also stated in a Friday radio interview that Gilmore is a better prospect than Claiborne, the 2011 Thorpe Award winner. "He's a hot guy," Lombardi said of Gilmore. "I was told Jacksonville actually likes him more than Claiborne." Lombardi also sent Gilmore to the Jags in his latest mock draft. At this point, we'd be surprised if Gilmore got out of the top-ten picks, and No. 7 seems his likeliest destination.

http://www.rotoworld...stephon-gilmore

Here is just a video showing some good and bad plays of Gilmore. One of the better blitzers out of the slot that I've seen at corner.

This is from a year ago mind you, and he has been getting better...... This guy breaks on the ball hard.

So, what I am trying to say is, don't discount this guy. He is a legitimate prospect who has good game tape as well.

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Wait....are people still really trying to argue that Stephon Gilmore is worth a top 10 pick? Hahaha man I can't wait for the draft to be over.


Cox isn't exactly stellar in game tape either if you watch him. He is pretty raw as well.... So I don't know what you are talking about. Cox does not get double teamed all that often, and he is not exactly a beast against the run. He just uses his athletic ability... Gilmore does very similar things in the corner position. His technique is not spot on, but his potential is there, just like Cox.

Cox isn't exactly stellar in game tape either if you watch him. He is pretty raw as well.... So I don't know what you are talking about. Cox does not get double teamed all that often, and he is not exactly a beast against the run. He just uses his athletic ability... Gilmore does very similar things in the corner position. His technique is not spot on, but his potential is there, just like Cox.


I really don't think you've watched any film on Fletcher Cox. He has already proven himself to be the best defensive tackle in this draft, and the evidence is in the film. I believe Lout even did a really good evaluation on his tape vs. Brockers. He is not raw, by any means. He dominates his position and plays by instinct, great technique, speed, and power.

Gilmore on the other hand is a VERY raw prospect. The kind of player that has as many good plays as he does bad, being exposed by small school prospects that don't even compare to the receivers in the NFL.

Please tell me this, whats your favorite College football program? Just for fun.
whats funny is people are basing guys rising or falling due to the media. FOs dont give out there big boards people.

whats funny is people are basing guys rising or falling due to the media. FOs dont give out there big boards people.


This too, this is why it is all irrelevant to discuss him as our first pick. Let's go back to discussing him as our 2nd rounder please...

I really don't think you've watched any film on Fletcher Cox. He has already proven himself to be the best defensive tackle in this draft, and the evidence is in the film. I believe Lout even did a really good evaluation on his tape vs. Brockers. He is not raw, by any means. He dominates his position and plays by instinct, great technique, speed, and power.

Gilmore on the other hand is a VERY raw prospect. The kind of player that has as many good plays as he does bad, being exposed by small school prospects that don't even compare to the receivers in the NFL.

Please tell me this, whats your favorite College football program? Just for fun.


Penn State. If I wanted to be a homer, I would be telling you to draft Devon Stills.....

He did do an evaluation, and Brockers out did Cox on film....

But that's beside the point. My point is that Cox is not as big of a beast as you are making him out to be. He is a disruptive force against the pass, but on run defense, he is not exactly showing the other team who is boss. He over-pursues a lot of the time. To say that he is a polished prospect is rubbish. To say he is a good prospect, with potential of being great is more like it.
Read the Brockers vs Cox thread again, he goes through 3 games and says the difference between Brockers and Cox is huge. Cox is a much better prospect then Brockers because he's got a high upside but he's already polished and dominated the LOS a lot in college.
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The more I watch Stephon Gilmore the more I see Charles Woodson. He hits. He covered. He tackles.

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The more I watch Stephon Gilmore the more I see Charles Woodson. He hits. He covered. He tackles.

No, Janoris is x1000 better


That's a lot!

Read the Brockers vs Cox thread again, he goes through 3 games and says the difference between Brockers and Cox is huge. Cox is a much better prospect then Brockers because he's got a high upside but he's already polished and dominated the LOS a lot in college.


If you are talking about the one in the NFL draft forum, he says how Brockers gets double teamed much more often.... Brockers is said to have great upside, he has only started one full year as DT at LSU, and is still getting used to about 50 pounds he added on since freshman season. To say Cox blows Brockers out of the water is simply not true.
Here is another great read on the Bengals forum about Stephon Gilmore.

http://cincinnati.co...tephon-gilmore/

Here is Mel Kiper saying his thoughts on Gilmore:

“Gilmore is a pure cornerback, very fundamentally and technically sound. He has the size, recovery speed, and leaping ability to do a good, solid job in coverage. He’s an intense competitor who will come up and aggressively support the run. Gilmore played like a first rounder with the pads on then tested like a first rounder to reinforce his grade.”




I simply do not see why this guy is not getting the respect he deserves. The guy is a stud, making 1st team SEC. Yes, you can find a bad game, a bad day, whatever. It happens to someone still learning the position. This guy is aggressive and versatile, that is something this team needs an infusion of.

if Gilmore goes top 10 its because he has been rated that good, not because he is just rising. these guys are on scouts radar for a long time.

if Gilmore goes top 10 its because he has been rated that good, not because he is just rising. these guys are on scouts radar for a long time.


Thank you..... Everyone seems to think he randomly appearred. He has been respected around the SEC, obviously, for a long time. Just because you hear of him now, does not make him a bull sh*t player.....
I've heard about him for since he entered the SEC but still don't think he's worth a top 10 pick. He is the 4th CB on my board. So I don't think that's the problem. Not saying he his bad just think there are better options at not only the CB position but other positions.
They guy was never considered a high first round pick, if even a first round pick at all until the past weeks.

So out of the blue and due to the fact that the draft media has to have something new to report on he has shot up the draft guru charts.

Yeah, no thanks. He could be decent player but he's not a worthy of a first round pick and non of these guys who shoot up just before the draft are.

Here is another great read on the Bengals forum about Stephon Gilmore.

http://cincinnati.co...tephon-gilmore/

Here is Mel Kiper saying his thoughts on Gilmore:

“Gilmore is a pure cornerback, very fundamentally and technically sound. He has the size, recovery speed, and leaping ability to do a good, solid job in coverage. He’s an intense competitor who will come up and aggressively support the run. Gilmore played like a first rounder with the pads on then tested like a first rounder to reinforce his grade.”




I simply do not see why this guy is not getting the respect he deserves. The guy is a stud, making 1st team SEC. Yes, you can find a bad game, a bad day, whatever. It happens to someone still learning the position. This guy is aggressive and versatile, that is something this team needs an infusion of.



Dude has bad moments almost every game.

To inconsistent for a high pick
He was projected in the first round before the college season started. Then he had some uneven moments that are not unlike Chris Gamble's in the Cover 2 scheme Fox ran.

In a great analysis of him scouts regard him as an elite cb who wins late. Niamdi is a cb who wins early and Revis Early and late. He should be in the mold of a Chris Gamble, Johnathan Joseph. If you can get that at 9 and get a guy who will probally not get suspended for drugs, Duis...then you pull the trigger bc he wont be there in the second.

There was a lot of uneven tape on Johnathan Joeseph and Gamble as well. Neither of which was considered a shut down guy either above average with great physical tools..a pass rush up the middle will help anyone so DT, CB..im good with it.

I like gilmore better than Brockers or Poe..fo sho...no one is elite at 9.
Gamble and Joseph were late first round picks.

Gilmore started as a 2nd round pick, and went down once the season started. Now he's back to first based on not playing. That's over analysis and silly.
Gilmore is arguabally better than a Josh Robinson or Boykin. If they determine that Gilmore is better than Kirpatrick and feel Jenkins is going to need bail out money clauses then Gilmore is your guy.

I agree that he is inconsistant but so is Coples, who is in a better position to demonstrate consistancy. If he is rated higher than the second third tier of cbs then if you re stuck at 9 and that is the need..you take him.

I was just stating after Gilmore's Sophmore season he was projected as a first rounder..which he is apparently.

Evan Silva has us taking Gilmore at 9 in his latest mock just posted on PFT.

I normally don't link PFT stuff.

I've heard about him for since he entered the SEC but still don't think he's worth a top 10 pick. He is the 4th CB on my board. So I don't think that's the problem. Not saying he his bad just think there are better options at not only the CB position but other positions.

I respect that. I think he will prove you wrong though.

They guy was never considered a high first round pick, if even a first round pick at all until the past weeks.

So out of the blue and due to the fact that the draft media has to have something new to report on he has shot up the draft guru charts.

Yeah, no thanks. He could be decent player but he's not a worthy of a first round pick and non of these guys who shoot up just before the draft are.


This is what I was talking about. You people thinking he "came out of the blue". That's not even close to remotely true. I don't know how to correct you other than, do your homework. Then come back to me.

Gamble and Joseph were late first round picks.

Gilmore started as a 2nd round pick, and went down once the season started. Now he's back to first based on not playing. That's over analysis and silly.


He never went below a 2nd round pick, during the season, you wish you could make that argument.... You could argue he was said to be at the top of the second. I'm not even sure if that's true. This is just spouting things off things that are not true. I may agree that he is not exactly what you usually expect in the top 10 picks of the first, but with corners being a premium position, and this guy having and all the tools, AND GOOD GAME TAPE, he is worth it. You people saying he has bad game tape pull up some of his inconsistency. YES he has inconsistency.... He isn't Revis, he is a man in his 3rd year at CB. I am so sick of you people spouting off "bad game tape" and "dontari poe like" comparisons to this guy. I can explain things, but I can't get rid of your ignorance.
panther's have so many options so it's going to be who's the highest guy on their board no matter what position it may be. I tend to think that the playmaker positions like CB/WR/DE naturally get put higher on a team's draft board though.