Gregg Williams Urged Saints To Injure 49Ers

THe question about that is was he talking about hitting him in the head while in the pile or talk poo to him to get in his head. I would think punching the helmet of a player would do more harm to the puncher than the guy wearing the helmet.

Why is that the question? There is no metaphorical equivalent to taking out Crabtree's ACL, targeting a player who had a concussion, or Davis' ankles.

There is a slim metaphorical defense to one thing he said (which doesn't really hold water when you consider that he later says to take out his head) but that's far from the total weight of the douchebaggery in this speech.

The stuff about Gore *may* have been metaphorical, there's no way to really know. Given the context and the other stuff he was saying, it would push it more in the direction of literal. Especially considering he was saying similar stuff about Alex Smith AND THEN POINTED TO HIS CHIN. If there was ANY doubt in the mind of the guy he was talking to about whether he ACTUALLY meant to take out his head, HE USED HAND GESTURES TO CLARIFY.

Don't know all the details yet, but this brings up an interesting question.

If this took place in an open locker room, what does it do to the claims of guys like Drew Brees that they had no idea anything like this was going on?

He could be lying or Williams could have been addressing the defense in a separate room. I'd think they separate for pre-game meetings and such.

The stuff about Gore *may* have been metaphorical, there's no way to really know. Given the context and the other stuff he was saying, it would push it more in the direction of literal. Especially considering he was saying similar stuff about Alex Smith AND THEN POINTED TO HIS CHIN. If there was ANY doubt in the mind of the guy he was talking to about whether he ACTUALLY meant to take out his head, HE USED HAND GESTURES TO CLARIFY.

true but you got to remember that the NFL is trying to limit head injuries and Williams is saying go kill his head metaphorically or not. Also he was talking about kyle Williams concussion problems

The only thing more disgusting than the Saints' and Greg Williams actions are the Saints fans who are defending this mess. If I found out the Panthers did this I'd be extremely disappointed not frothing at the mouth in denial.

The only thing more disgusting than the Saints' and Greg Williams actions are the Saints fans who are defending this mess. If I found out the Panthers did this I'd be extremely disappointed not frothing at the mouth in denial.

Exactly.

If Rivera had this kind of crap going on here and it came to light. I woudl be at the rally to ship his ass out of town....now one to defend him and claim victim.

He could be lying or Williams could have been addressing the defense in a separate room. I'd think they separate for pre-game meetings and such.

That's what pisses me off. Brees' blatant lie to the league and all his fans. There's just no way in hell the 'leader' of the team doesn't know that stuff is going on even if he wasn't there for that speech..

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There's more? lol

Bah, I can't watch it right now.

I think it is funny, and probably intentional, that this video is coming to light on the day of the Saints' appeal. Kind of like getting a speeding ticket on your way to court to argue a previous speeding ticket. Karma is a bitch!

wow.

I hear guys saying I want you to kill him, blow him up. Does that mean hit him hard or literally kill him and blow him up with a bomb?? When you hit the head it is mentally or physically?? Coaches do talk in metaphors all the time. Again I am not trying to excuse him as the bounty program is evidence there was a plan to hurt players but honestly just to hear what he said in isolation of what else we know, it is not that different from what I know is being said in other lockers rooms as well. Just not to the same extreme perhaps.

I don't see why it's so far fetched for you to believe that he's talking about aiming for the head literally when his speech did nothing but encourage injuring the opposing team. What exactly makes you give him the benefit of the doubt that he was speaking only in metaphor after hearing the entirety of that speech? You don't want to defend him, but I don't want to blindly bash him either. The man even mentions concussions specifically. It's obvious what he's saying.

"Continue, touch and hit the head". C'mon man, what else would he mean by this?

Go find some attention in another topic. You just wanna poo on our parade.

LIFETIME ban.

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fffffff top secret revealed. gregg williams = raleigh theodore sakers

I wonder what Smitty or any player would do if they saw Gregg Williams on the street? PPV needs to make this happen somehow.

Ps, I can't wait to play the Saints next year. Since Smitty can't celebrate in their coaches' faces, he may have a lovely TD celebration.

Well I guess this numb nut dip wad will never have to worry about being a 'coach' anymore

Really disgusting.

Saints fans are hilarious with their attempts at rationalizing the ever-growing pile of poo that is growing around their organization.

when tf is the hammer coming down on vilma and the rest of these turds?

when tf is the hammer coming down on vilma and the rest of these turds?

I'd imagine that punishing players would be a more bureaucratic process with the NFLPA and all that nonsense.

The punishments are coming. Hopefully, its during the summer, so we have something to tide us over until preseason.

Honestly, everyone involved in this should be banned from the NFL.

And criminal charges filed

So I finally had the chance to read Michael Silver's writeup and get the details of the story (had a checkup at the doctor's office this morning). Link is here: Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players

The speech occurred in a hotel the night before the game in a defense only meeting, so Brees and the offensive guys wouldn't have been privy. That said, they know now, so it'll be interesting to hear reactions - particularly Brees' - to the story if they come out. Wouldn't surprise me if they just tried to pretend the story didn't come out. I'd say at this point they're probably well-practiced at pretending things didn't happen (to their knowledge, of course).

For those who haven't listened to the video or seen the story, here are some of the more pertinent quotes from Williams:

"We hit [expletive] Smith right there’ – then he points under his chin [and continues] – ‘remember me.’ Then he rubs his thumb against his index and middle fingers – the cash sign – and says, ‘I got the first one. I got the first one. Go get it. Go lay that [expletive] out.’

“We’ve got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore’s head,” Williams told the players. “We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways... We need to decide on how many times we can meet Frank Gore’s head.”

(that is not a metaphor)

Then, referencing backup halfback Kendall Hunter, Williams continued: “Little 32, we want to knock the [expletive] out of him. He has no idea what he’s in for. When he’s on the sideline, we’ve gotta turn that [expletive] over, turn their coaches over, turn the spectators over. Go and get that [expletive] on the sidelines.”

“We need to find out in the first two series of the game, the little wide receiver, No. 10, about his concussion Williams said to the Saints’ defenders. “We need to [expletive] put a lick on him, move him to decide. He needs to decide.”

“We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna or he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find that out, and he becomes human when you [expletive] take out that outside ACL.”

"We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and we can [expletive] clip Vernon Davis’ ankles over the pile … respect comes from them fearing us.”

Wow

Anyone who wants to claim they were just playing "good, clean, hard football" has pretty much nothing to stand on now.

What a disgrace. I thought when I started listening to this that it was going to be heavy with innuendo and metaphors that could be construed in several different ways. I was wrong. That was blatant and troubling. Gregg Williams should never be allowed to coach football again. Sad, sad, sad.

So I finally had the chance to read Michael Silver's writeup and get the details of the story (had a checkup at the doctor's office this morning). Link is here: Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players

The speech occurred in a hotel the night before the game in a defense only meeting, so Brees and the offensive guys wouldn't have been privy. That said, they know now, so it'll be interesting to hear reactions - particularly Brees' - to the story if they come out. Wouldn't surprise me if they just tried to pretend the story didn't come out. I'd say at this point they're probably well-practiced at pretending things didn't happen (to their knowledge, of course).

For those who haven't listened to the video or seen the story, here are some of the more pertinent quotes from Williams:

(that is not a metaphor)

Wow

Anyone who wants to claim they were just playing "good, clean, hard football" has pretty much nothing to stand on now.

“We’ve got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore’s head,” Williams told the players. “We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways... We need to decide on how many times we can meet Frank Gore’s head.”

I could have sworn the quote was "beat Frank Gore's head."

Are you saying it's different, or is that a typo?

Link

A source told PFT’s Mike Florio that Gleason, who has been diagnosed with ALS, had joined up with Pamphilon to make private recordings that could some day be given to Gleason’s son, so that he could get to know his dad after he was no longer alive. Gleason plans to issue a statement saying that Pamphilon was not authorized to publicize what he recorded.
Pamphilon was invited to San Francisco because Gleason was there to visit a doctor in the Bay Area, and when Gleason was included in Saints meetings before the game against the 49ers, Pamphilon was allowed in as well. But the Saints believed — wrongly, it would turn out — that Pamphilon was going to share what he recorded only with the Gleason family, not with the general public.

Well there goes the "this guy maybe main whistle blower theory. Only there for that meeting.