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Panthers Roster Battles

Aug 14 2012 08:39 PM paulSM Carolina Panthers
Looking at the roster there seems to be nine or so roster battles left. these are not a "who's going to start battles." These are who's going to make the 53. Here’s my take

RB: Vaughan vs Poole

With all the injuries RBs sustain we'll have to keep three. This comes down to Vaughan and Poole. By all accounts Poole is doing great while Vaughan is being his hard working self. That being said Vaughan has special teams experience and tenure. so it wouldn't surprise me if he won out.

- My prediction: Poole wins

WR: Murphy, Gettis, Edwards, Tutu

I've broken down the roster several ways and I just don't see us holding onto seven receivers. That leave these four battling it out for two spots (I think green will be headed to the practice squad). I know most people are handing Gettis a spot, but that doesn't seem to be the RR way. It's either put up or shut up, and for him to put up he has to get on the field. He doesn't add anything that the other healthy receivers can't give us. As for Edwards, I think he's about were he should be in his development, and I think he has a great upside. Unfortunately, upside doesn't get you a roster spot with this collection of players. Of the four I like Tutu the least, but I see him making it.

- My prediction: Murphy, tutu (I'm ok with any two out of these four. Murphy and Edwards would be my fav though)

TE: Hartsock vs Brockel

I think Barnidge will get the second receiving TE spot, and I see Rosario on the practice squad. That leave Hartsock vs Brockel for the blocking TE/backup FB spot. Brockel has more versatility but Hartsock is the better blocker.

- My prediction: Hartsock

G/C: Blackwell, Byers, Z Williams. Browning, Allan

we know the starters and I see Campbell, G Williams, Pollack as locks for backup spots. That leaves one backup G/C spot available in what I think will be a 9 man line. I really don't know much about this battle, and have heard positive from all of them. I think Byers and Z Williams are the most versatile.

- My prediction (for final roster purposes): Byers

UT: Neblett, Chandler

I see four DEs as definite right now. You know the first three. I'm adding Keiser because he outplayed everyone at the end of last year, seems to be a RR type player, and brings some pass rush we desperately need. I see three DTs as definite: Edwards, Fua, and McClain. After crunching the numbers I see us keeping 4 or 5 DT but probably just four. Since Edward and Fua are both NT. That means the fourth spot probably goes to an UT. Neblett and Chandler fit that bill. I see Chandler heading for the practice squad

- My prediction: Neblett

Safety: Pugh, Smith

Martin and Nakamura have been the best two safeties in camp, which leave the SS position more up in the air. I see Godfrey as keeping the starting gig. As for the backup battle, smith really hasn't doesn't anything of note so far. I don't see Nelson or Sullivan in the mix, and I think Campbell is heading for the practice squad. I had Pugh written off before training camp, but now....

- My prediction: Pugh

CB: Hogan, Stanford, Thomas, Ness

I'm calculating 5 Corner spots on the roster. I think it's possible that it ends up as low as four or as high and six, but I think five is the most likely. Gamble, Captain, and Norman seem to be locks at this point. I'm going to add butler to that mix. This leaves us with one spot for the four left. Ness's concussion is going to hurt his slim chances, but he was filling out as a RR type. I think Hogan has the best upside, but he has to get on the field. I'm almost at a loss on this one. I really hope Hogan comes through.

- My prediction: Hogan

K: Medlock vs Mare

I'm not sure who has the lead between Nortman and Harris, but I think it's Nortman. On top of that the draft pick will definitely win in case of a tie, so I'm penciling him in. Medlock and Mare has gotten really interesting however. So far it seems as if they are in a virtual tie. Sure, ever panther fan is hoping Medlock takes it, but I'm not sure who would win this one if it were tied. Will it be the veteran with a bad year, and a long track record as one of the best in the league, or the one who didn't shank a bunch of kicks for us last year? My brain is telling me Mare, but I really hope it isn't.

- My prediction: Medlock (I went back and changed this name about three times)


Final roster spot:

Assuming that we keep three QBs (we will), and that seven linebackers are being kept for certain roles (Anderson, Beason, Keek, Davis, Onatolu, Senn, Applewhite). That leaves one open position. I'm assuming that spot goes to a defensive player, but I guess it's POSSIBLE that it goes to a WR. That would leave us with the following battling it out for one spot: A. Edwards, Gettis, Norwood, Kearse, Phillips, Reggie smith, Thomas, Ness. I really have no idea where to go here. So I'm going to go with our biggest need. Pass rush. Kearse and Gettis are the last cuts.

- My prediction: Norwood (by the skin of his teeth. I didn’t think he had a chance in hell to make the roster a month ago)

That leaves my final roster as:

Offense:
QB: Newton, Anderson, Clausen
RB: Williams, Stewart, Poole
FB: Tolbert
WR: Smith, Lafell, Murphy, Tutu, Pilares, Adams
TE: Olsen, Barnidge, Hartsock
OT: Gross, Bell, Campbell, G Willaims
OG: Silatolu, Hangartner, Pollack,
C: Kalil, Byers
LS: Jansen

Defense
DE: Johnson, Hardy, Alexander, Keiser, Norwood
DT: Edwards, McClain, Fua, Neblett
LB: Beason, Keuchly, Anderson, Davis, Applewhite, Onatolu, Senn
FS: Martin, Nakamura
SS: Godfrey, Pugh
CB: Gamble, Norman, Munnerlyn, Butler, Hogan
P: Nortman
K: Medlock… I mean Mare… I mean Medlock

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Well actually Fua busted up a double on kuechly's goal line stop. Allowed a free lane to the ball carrier that was our best play against the run with the first unit


Yes, I saw that. It was a nice play.

However, he followed that up by some very poor snaps (he didn't get many), getting stood straight up in a 1 on 1 matchup and pushed to the side, then getting pushed straight down to the ground on another snap.

He just doesn't look to me like NFL material. And I know the guy is like 310 lbs., but he looks like a child next to Ron Edwards. Kalil says he's strong, but I haven't seen evidence that he plays strong.

Standing by my prediction (out of the league in less than 2 years) but hoping I'm dead wrong.

I understand this sentiment and know it is unlikely. The only thing I'm sure of is Fua is perhaps the most overmatched 1 tech I've ever watched, and after watching him Saturday, he has not made any strides since last year.

And look at it this way...he was almost a 4th round pick.


Edit: And actually, I expect Clausen, Fua, and Armanti to all be out of the league within 2 years. That's a 2nd rounder and two 3rds.


After watching Fua and Mcclain in about 8 games extensively last year via, NFL Rewind I must say I think you are wrong about Fua. The dude is no all pro but as rookie playing next to another rookie I think he did okay all things considered. I'm gonna steal Rivera's favorite word and say he "flashed" at times last year. Not the kind of stuff that will show up on stat sheets, but I personally have much more faith in him than Mcclain at this point.

Also, unless Davis experiences some major setback(let's hope not) I see no reason why he would retire? Are you expecting him to have another tear or something?

Davis has worked way too hard to come back and just say fug it I retire without good reason.
I think Josh Thomas is closer to making the team than people think. Rivera seems to be behind the kid

After watching Fua and Mcclain in about 8 games extensively let year via, NFL Rewind I must say I think you are wrong about Fua. The dude is no all pro but as rookie playing next to another rookie I think he did okay all things considered. I'm gonna steal Rivera's favorite word and say he "flashed" at times last year. Not the kind of stuff that will show up on stat sheets, but I personally have much more faith in him than Mcclain at this point.

Also, unless Davis experiences some major setback(let's hope not) I see no reason why he would retire? Are you expecting him to have another tear or something?

Davis has worked way too hard to come back and just say fug it I retire without good reason.


Good comments on Fua. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

As to Davis, my fear is he will be plagued by these nagging little setbacks that never allow him to get in any real work. The team and Thomas would then have a very difficult decision. Put him on reg season PUP? Designate him marquis IR so he can try to come back after week 8? IR him again?

It is just a difficult situation, and Thomas may at some point think it's in the best interests of everyone to retire.

Like with Fua, I hope I'm wrong. Nothing would make me happier than to see both these guys contribute heavily this year.

As to Davis, my fear is he will be plagued by these nagging little setbacks that never allow him to get in any real work. The team and Thomas would then have a very difficult decision. Put him on reg season PUP? Designate him marquis IR so he can try to come back after week 8? IR him again?

It is just a difficult situation, and Thomas may at some point think it's in the best interests of everyone to retire.

I say keep TD on the bench and let him heal some more. Then around week 10 start integrating him in and by the time the playoff run has commenced, he can go all out in a beasting blaze of glory.

I hope so. Another solid CB wouldn't hurt either.


Fixed that for ya. Gamble is the only solid corner we have.

Fixed that for ya. Gamble is the only solid corner we have.



That's why it said ANOTHER.
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Herbert The Love Bug
Aug 15 2012 05:15 PM

Looking at the roster there seems to be nine or so roster battles left. these are not a "who's going to start battles." These are who's going to make the 53. Here’s my take

RB: Vaughan vs Poole

With all the injuries RBs sustain we'll have to keep three. This comes down to Vaughan and Poole. By all accounts Poole is doing great while Vaughan is being his hard working self. That being said Vaughan has special teams experience and tenure. so it wouldn't surprise me if he won out.

- My prediction: Poole wins

WR: Murphy, Gettis, Edwards, Tutu

I've broken down the roster several ways and I just don't see us holding onto seven receivers. That leave these four battling it out for two spots (I think green will be headed to the practice squad). I know most people are handing Gettis a spot, but that doesn't seem to be the RR way. It's either put up or shut up, and for him to put up he has to get on the field. He doesn't add anything that the other healthy receivers can't give us. As for Edwards, I think he's about were he should be in his development, and I think he has a great upside. Unfortunately, upside doesn't get you a roster spot with this collection of players. Of the four I like Tutu the least, but I see him making it.

- My prediction: Murphy, tutu (I'm ok with any two out of these four. Murphy and Edwards would be my fav though)

TE: Hartsock vs Brockel

I think Barnidge will get the second receiving TE spot, and I see Rosario on the practice squad. That leave Hartsock vs Brockel for the blocking TE/backup FB spot. Brockel has more versatility but Hartsock is the better blocker.

- My prediction: Hartsock

G/C: Blackwell, Byers, Z Williams. Browning, Allan

we know the starters and I see Campbell, G Williams, Pollack as locks for backup spots. That leaves one backup G/C spot available in what I think will be a 9 man line. I really don't know much about this battle, and have heard positive from all of them. I think Byers and Z Williams are the most versatile.

- My prediction (for final roster purposes): Byers

UT: Neblett, Chandler

I see four DEs as definite right now. You know the first three. I'm adding Keiser because he outplayed everyone at the end of last year, seems to be a RR type player, and brings some pass rush we desperately need. I see three DTs as definite: Edwards, Fua, and McClain. After crunching the numbers I see us keeping 4 or 5 DT but probably just four. Since Edward and Fua are both NT. That means the fourth spot probably goes to an UT. Neblett and Chandler fit that bill. I see Chandler heading for the practice squad

- My prediction: Neblett

Safety: Pugh, Smith

Martin and Nakamura have been the best two safeties in camp, which leave the SS position more up in the air. I see Godfrey as keeping the starting gig. As for the backup battle, smith really hasn't doesn't anything of note so far. I don't see Nelson or Sullivan in the mix, and I think Campbell is heading for the practice squad. I had Pugh written off before training camp, but now....

- My prediction: Pugh

CB: Hogan, Stanford, Thomas, Ness

I'm calculating 5 Corner spots on the roster. I think it's possible that it ends up as low as four or as high and six, but I think five is the most likely. Gamble, Captain, and Norman seem to be locks at this point. I'm going to add butler to that mix. This leaves us with one spot for the four left. Ness's concussion is going to hurt his slim chances, but he was filling out as a RR type. I think Hogan has the best upside, but he has to get on the field. I'm almost at a loss on this one. I really hope Hogan comes through.

- My prediction: Hogan

K: Medlock vs Mare

I'm not sure who has the lead between Nortman and Harris, but I think it's Nortman. On top of that the draft pick will definitely win in case of a tie, so I'm penciling him in. Medlock and Mare has gotten really interesting however. So far it seems as if they are in a virtual tie. Sure, ever panther fan is hoping Medlock takes it, but I'm not sure who would win this one if it were tied. Will it be the veteran with a bad year, and a long track record as one of the best in the league, or the one who didn't shank a bunch of kicks for us last year? My brain is telling me Mare, but I really hope it isn't.

- My prediction: Medlock (I went back and changed this name about three times)


Final roster spot:

Assuming that we keep three QBs (we will), and that seven linebackers are being kept for certain roles (Anderson, Beason, Keek, Davis, Onatolu, Senn, Applewhite). That leaves one open position. I'm assuming that spot goes to a defensive player, but I guess it's POSSIBLE that it goes to a WR. That would leave us with the following battling it out for one spot: A. Edwards, Gettis, Norwood, Kearse, Phillips, Reggie smith, Thomas, Ness. I really have no idea where to go here. So I'm going to go with our biggest need. Pass rush. Kearse and Gettis are the last cuts.

- My prediction: Norwood (by the skin of his teeth. I didn’t think he had a chance in hell to make the roster a month ago)

That leaves my final roster as:

Offense:
QB: Newton, Anderson, Clausen
RB: Williams, Stewart, Poole
FB: Tolbert
WR: Smith, Lafell, Murphy, Tutu, Pilares, Adams
TE: Olsen, Barnidge, Hartsock
OT: Gross, Bell, Campbell, G Willaims
OG: Silatolu, Hangartner, Pollack,
C: Kalil, Byers
LS: Jansen

Defense
DE: Johnson, Hardy, Alexander, Keiser, Norwood
DT: Edwards, McClain, Fua, Neblett
LB: Beason, Keuchly, Anderson, Davis, Applewhite, Onatolu, Senn
FS: Martin, Nakamura
SS: Godfrey, Pugh
CB: Gamble, Norman, Munnerlyn, Butler, Hogan
P: Nortman
K: Medlock… I mean Mare… I mean Medlock



Good try but you are wrong all over the board here. I quit reading half way down
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Herbert The Love Bug
Aug 15 2012 05:27 PM

I don't understand why everyone loves Gettis so much.


Apparently you didn't watch the one season he played with crappy QBs throwing him the ball. Steve Smith has said several times Gettis is the teams biggest deep ball threat and the fastest WR on the team
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Herbert The Love Bug
Aug 15 2012 05:29 PM

I think Josh Thomas is closer to making the team than people think. Rivera seems to be behind the kid


I think so too. Will not be surprised at all if he makes the team. He has impressed
T wouldn't surprise me if Pilares got cut and they let Adams handle both PR and KR. This way they could keep an extra WR.

T wouldn't surprise me if Pilares got cut and they let Adams handle both PR and KR. This way they could keep an extra WR.



Pilares has looked good throughout camp, I doubt very seriously, he gets cut. He also looked good on his kickoffs,in the game Saturday.
Fua didn't look that bad, he wasn't getting blown up all that much....he just has problems disengaging and actually making the play

T wouldn't surprise me if Pilares got cut and they let Adams handle both PR and KR. This way they could keep an extra WR.


Cut Pilares to replace him with another WR? Who exactly is going to replace him? Tutu? AE? haha

And how do you see it would keep an extra WR? Do you not consider Pilares a receiver?
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Herbert The Love Bug
Aug 15 2012 06:21 PM

Cut Pilares to replace him with another WR? Who exactly is going to replace him? Tutu? AE? haha

And how do you see it would keep an extra WR? Do you not consider Pilares a receiver?


was about to say the same thing. Some people just baffle me
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koolkatluke
Aug 15 2012 06:22 PM
Martin has been better in Camp then Nakumara.
KKL is this from your personal camp observations? The statement that Martin has been better.
Very interesting takes on the 53. It's a give and take on a few... I'll reserve comment till at least before or after the 3rd Preseason game.
I'm curious to see what happens to Reynolds from BYU.

Very interesting takes on the 53. It's a give and take on a few... I'll reserve comment till at least before or after the 3rd Preseason game.


I'm reserving my comments until after the final 53-man roster is released so I can claim to have been right all along and point out all the idiots in this thread.

No more mention of Gettis getting cut, kthx
I agree that Gettis should get a gig if healthy, but man, he needs to get healthy quickly. Ron's not going to keep a guy who hasn't shown anything during camp, doesn't matter if it's fair or not.
the WR3 spot has pretty much been secured by Murphy

Gettis is going to have to wait until somewhere in the regular season to outperform him enough to where he gets put back above him on the depth chart.
One thing to keep in mind while filling out rosters...while Neblett counts as part of our 90 man roster and the 75 man roster after 1st cuts, he will not count against the 53 while serving his suspension.

So assuming he would have made the 53, we'll have 4 weeks to maybe try out one of the rookie DT's, and then put them on the practice squad when Neblett returns.

Players can be active in up to 6 games without losing their PS eligibility. So maybe Chandler or Van Bergen have a chance after all.

Another option...maybe Armanti makes the 53 at the beginning of the season to make sure he's available should Joe Adams really struggle in the first 4 games. A bit of insurance if you will.

There are a number of possibilities. One that doesn't seem likely would be keeping Mare long enough to see how Medlock does in real games. Reason? He carries a high salary, and that salary would be guaranteed for the full year even if we cut him after week 4.

Lots of fun scenarios to think about...

I'm reserving my comments until after the final 53-man roster is released so I can claim to have been right all along and point out all the idiots in this thread.

No more mention of Gettis getting cut, kthx

You can choose to reserve your comments until after the final 53 if you think it's going to make you feel smarter. This is a Forum, people give their opinions/comments, but it doesn't make them any more of an idiot than your comments make you an idiot.