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Schein "Carolina Panthers going nowhere "

May 07 2013 11:27 AM janderson20vt Carolina Panthers

I love this time of year in the NFL, just after the draft. It's filled with hope, promise and the dawn of a new day as teams prepare for the coming season.
There's just this problem I can't get past when it comes to Cam Newton, Ron Rivera and this year's Carolina Panthers.


I don't think they have a chance.
They don't have a chance for anything.I think the Panthers enter the 2013 season as the worst team in the NFC South. They finished last season at 7-9, tied in the division standings with the New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But both of those clubs made improvements. While I liked the Panthers' haul in the 2013 NFL Draft, where did Carolina get noticeably better? Honestly, the Panthers could be one of the four worst teams in the NFC. Consequently, I expect this season to be Rivera's last at the helm in Carolina


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Adam Schein has been a Panther hater since he predicted the Panthers to will the SB the year after they lost the SB to NE...and the Panthers made him look stupid. Schein knows nothing about the Panthers, save what he reads in headlines. He drools over the big market teams. His opinion means nothing because he has no idea what he is talking about.

So indirect,he might be predicting our superbowl run,hell yeah!!
"@AdamSchein: Looking forward to going on Total Access tonight with my guy @ScottHanson on @nflnetwork to talk Cam and Panthers."

Enjoy guys.

Absolutely no one can predict how good or bad we will be this year. Our real issue is we did not finish games.Our team is better as others in the league are better.

I don't know about Rivera.

 

Newton, IMHO is a fabulous athlete learning to be a QB at this level. Again, not trying to belittle him but there were two games clearly in his hands to win and he lost them.  This is the year he must make clutch plays.

 

As for Colin and Russell there are not two more complete teams in the NFL than Seattle and San Francisco; but, even with those two, when they needed to make plays they made them.

 

As for RG III, I don't take him seriously, sorry, with NFL Sunday Ticket  I would catch some of his games.  Some of it was luck, some strength of schedule and some of it people not having enough tape on him at the NFL level.  He did not make smart plays with his body which does not speak to his longevity in the league.

 

I like Newton, a lot but I don't know how he will do.  That's up to him.

 

As for the commentators with Newton, maybe they think Newton loves himself too much for them to love him.

 

At the end of the day, it does not matter if he wins.

Gov. christie's take on Schein......

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1284067
Mike Florio on 610am discrediting Schein.

Mike Florio on 610am discrediting Schein.

care to share?

Actually...wasn't anything major.  He was ripping on Mac for the source of the article, suggesting that Schein was a national writer who doesn't pay enough attention to the details of small market teams (that don't win).  Then he comes back with a sarcastic "no, I like Adam".  I'm sure at least 1/2 of his agenda was discrediting a competing source to his.  

 

 

 

 

I did say in my post as a unit with Cam we are stronger, yes. But my point when you compare our running backs to their running backs, in my opinion, Doug Martin is a better performing running back on his own than our combined unit of DeAngelo, Stewart and Tolbert.



Last season DeAngelo put up 737 and 5 TDs; Stewart put up 336 and 1 TD; 183 yards and 7 TDs.


As a running back unit they put up a total of: 1256 yards, and 13 TDs.


Last season Doug Martin put up 1454 yards and 11 TDs on his own. LeGarrette Blount put up 151 and 2 TDs.


As a running back unit they put up a total of: 1505 yards and 13 TDs.


So when you compare our very well paid running back unit, they produced less yards than the Bucs, and the TDs were tied. So while I'd love to say that our unit is stronger than Martin, if that kid continues to push on, and ours continue to perform as they do, then he will easily surpass them. For me, if I was asked would I rather have Cam+DeAngelo and Stewart (I count Tolbert as a FB), or Cam+Doug Martin, I would take the latter.

Now I like our running game, but it is hard to argue that DeAngelo and Stewart have performed since getting their contracts. Blame Cam's introduction, and our OC, but neither guy's form has been amazing. If they continue in that vain we may end up looking for another starting running back in the near future because their production for their contracts isn't really acceptable.

 

If you use last years stats to support your arguement, you have to include Cam's numbers.

 

If we had chosen not to run Cam last season (instead giving the ball to our RB's)....then our RB numbers woudl have been higher.

 

Your logic is flawed.

I love his logic in another article where he suggested that the Giants have improved by signing Dan Connor and Louis Murphy (guys that were not good enough to be on the bottom of the Cowboys roster and our roster which according to him are 2 of the worst 4 teams in the NFC).

I don't know about Rivera.

 

Newton, IMHO is a fabulous athlete learning to be a QB at this level. Again, not trying to belittle him but there were two games clearly in his hands to win and he lost them.  This is the year he must make clutch plays.

 

As for Colin and Russell there are not two more complete teams in the NFL than Seattle and San Francisco; but, even with those two, when they needed to make plays they made them.

 

As for RG III, I don't take him seriously, sorry, with NFL Sunday Ticket  I would catch some of his games.  Some of it was luck, some strength of schedule and some of it people not having enough tape on him at the NFL level.  He did not make smart plays with his body which does not speak to his longevity in the league.

 

I like Newton, a lot but I don't know how he will do.  That's up to him.

 

As for the commentators with Newton, maybe they think Newton loves himself too much for them to love him.

 

At the end of the day, it does not matter if he wins.

 

 

You have some valid points to your argument, but i disagree about Colin and Russell making plays for their team. Those two teams are driven by their defense. For example in the Super Bowl when it was time for Colin to make a play he throws an interception right to Ed Reed. People are quick to get on Cam but what they dont understand is that Cam carries this team. Cam can sit in the pocket and deliver accurate passes when he's not on his back. Kaepernick can't do that as he proved in the super bowl and neither can Russell Wilson(although I think he is a lot better passer than Colin) as he proved against the Falcons. I can pretty much guarantee you that if Cam was the Quarterback of the 49ers or the Seahawks this year, they would have won the Superbowl because that's how good he is. Without Cam on this team we are 2-14 at best.

You have some valid points to your argument, but i disagree about Colin and Russell making plays for their team. Those two teams are driven by their defense. For example in the Super Bowl when it was time for Colin to make a play he throws an interception right to Ed Reed. People are quick to get on Cam but what they dont understand is that Cam carries this team. Cam can sit in the pocket and deliver accurate passes when he's not on his back. Kaepernick can't do that as he proved in the super bowl and neither can Russell Wilson(although I think he is a lot better passer than Colin) as he proved against the Falcons. I can pretty much guarantee you that if Cam was the Quarterback of the 49ers or the Seahawks this year, they would have won the Superbowl because that's how good he is. Without Cam on this team we are 2-14 at best.

 

We pretty much agree.

 

Colin made a lot of plays for San Fran to be where they are...but, my point is they didn't have the same pressure that Newton did and if they did, they wold not be as successful.

 

I like a Newton a lot.  He is just a lightening rod for everyone's opinions.   If he had not fumbled in Atlanta and had not short armed a TD pass against Seattle, the Panthers would have been 9-7 and an extra loss on Seattle changes the playoff picture. Those

were the highlights on Sportscenter and NFL network and the web while Colin, Luck,

and RG III were winning games.  That's the perception.

 

...particularly for a guy who does the Superman pose constantly.

 

Like it or not, fair or not, the QB has the ball in his hands, he has to make plays. 

 

Cam has not yet had that critical, defining long drive for a TD with the ball in his hands to win the game against a quality, still playoff hungry team. Until he does, he's just another QB as the only statistic that matters is a W.

 

 

 

 

My point is this, Cam>Colin and RW. Alex Smith did the same exact thing Colin did and honestly Alex Smith is a better overall QB than Colin right now. Colin just gets too much credit for what he does. He plays behind arguably the best offensive line in football and one of the top 5 backs in the NFL in Frank Gore. Colin doesn't have to go out every week and win games. he just doesn't have to lose them.

All of us know way more about the Panthers than this jabroni so who really cares what he says. I stopped reading when he said The Buccaneers are a better team in every aspect besides QB. lol. Do your homework before you right some atrocious article Shein.

 


All of us know way more about the Panthers than this jabroni so who really cares what he says. I stopped reading when he said The Buccaneers are a better team in every aspect besides QB. lol. Do your homework before you right some atrocious article Shein. Last year we were considered a sleeper team to look out for, but this year know one is giving us a chance, I like it that way.

 

 

As for RG III, I don't take him seriously, sorry, with NFL Sunday Ticket  I would catch some of his games.  Some of it was luck, some strength of schedule and some of it people not having enough tape on him at the NFL level.  He did not make smart plays with his body which does not speak to his longevity in the league.

 

 

i've spent some time watching him on game rewind

 

he's probably in the most friendly system for a young quarterback imaginable.  even though ESPN built him up like he was sitting back in the pocket picking apart defenses like brady, it's pretty obvious that there are a lot of one-read concepts in his offense if you actually watch his games.  lots of quick hitters off three step drops and screens.  

 

of course, that notion would fly in the face of the "cerebral" griffin vs. "stupid" newton narrative that seems to be floating around.

 

also his arm is only so-so and he puts up a ton of ducks when he attempts truly vertical passes.

Apparently Schein has been ducking WFNZ about an interview. He rips the team, the franchise QB, and the head coach and doesn't have the balls to be a man and back up his claims for a local interview. 

 

That's what really irritating. 

 

At least idiot Prisco has the integrity to come on WFNZ after he predicted them going 3-13 last year. 

i've spent some time watching him on game rewind

 

he's probably in the most friendly system for a young quarterback imaginable.  even though ESPN built him up like he was sitting back in the pocket picking apart defenses like brady, it's pretty obvious that there are a lot of one-read concepts in his offense if you actually watch his games.  lots of quick hitters off three step drops and screens.  

 

of course, that notion would fly in the face of the "cerebral" griffin vs. "stupid" newton narrative that seems to be floating around.

 

also his arm is only so-so and he puts up a ton of ducks when he attempts truly vertical passes.

Cam's rookie season was much more impressive than RGIII from an individual standpoint.

 

Cam was asked and did make much  more difficult throws.

Cam's rookie season was much more impressive than RGIII from an individual standpoint.

Cam was asked and did make much more difficult throws.


Agree 100%

CRA has been on fire the past couple of days. I don't always agree w/ what he says but some of the past few posts of his have that I have read have been right on the money. 

I'm not an RG3 "HTTR" (in fact, I'm a big fan) but his completion percentage is as impressive as Alex Smith's. The entire system is composed of high percentage bubble screens and short passes (5-15 yards). His deep ball is accurate but he has a glaring weakness that his nuthuggers refuse to acknowledge: tight-window passes. RG3 struggled with them all year long. It's a legitimate reason why he avoided turning the ball over. Credit is due though, he doesn't make poor decisions. He plays smart and safe. However, games like the Seattle one provide proof that RG3 is not Peyton Manning. They can talk poo about Cam's accuracy percentage but he's not afraid to make a throw inbetween two defenders.

I'm not an RG3 "HTTR" (in fact, I'm a big fan) but his completion percentage is as impressive as Alex Smith's. The entire system is composed of high percentage bubble screens and short passes (5-15 yards). His deep ball is accurate but he has a glaring weakness that his nuthuggers refuse to acknowledge: tight-window passes. RG3 struggled with them all year long. It's a legitimate reason why he avoided turning the ball over. Credit is due though, he doesn't make poor decisions. He plays smart and safe. However, games like the Seattle one provide proof that RG3 is not Peyton Manning. They can talk poo about Cam's accuracy percentage but he's not afraid to make a throw inbetween two defenders.

 

cam hits deep outs and other difficult sideline routes with his eyes closed which is something that i didn't see griffin do much of.  the only play of griffin's like that that really stuck out to me was in the vikings game when he rolled out of the pocket and tried to strongarm a ball into a tight spot near the sideline.  it had way too little velocity and antoine winfield jumped it for the interception.

 

e: found a gif

 

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It'll be interesting to see how RG3 handles it this season. Shanahan is abandoning The Pistol and wants him to progress as a pocket passer. So his arm strength and accuracy will be put to the test.