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The actual reason Armanti is on the team...

Sep 01 2012 07:03 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
I seem to remember at OTA's back in 2010 Hurney was asked about Armanti and what was in store for him.

Hurney's reply, and this is going from memory, was that the Panthers would be transitioning him to WR and have a three year plan for him to develop in that role.

Well, here we are starting out year three. And while most of us don't believe he has shown enough to be kept on the roster, it is hard to deny that he has improved a bit as a player. So he has not regressed, only made progress year after year.

So what it boils down to is Hurney being true to his word regarding Armanti. It is not unheard of for things to "click" very quickly with a third year player. Maybe it will this season for Armanti.

We all should be really hoping so.

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The real reason Armanti is still on the team

Hurney not willing to admit a mistake
It never "clicked" for Colbert, Jarret, and many others, and it was their natural position. Everything that we hear says this guy works as hard as anyone which is why I think he's still here. He hasnt be disenfranchised or packed it in like the ofhers did. I'm pulling for him, and trust this staff's assessment of our talent.
Watched him play @ App. many times visiting my daughter up there, he was the team, made some killer plays. but the level of play was nowhere near what he's seeing here, wish him well, That one handed catch in the end zone he tried, would have been sweet,
that's as good and logical a reason as any. admirable, actually.

he's here for another year. people (including myself) need to get used to it and hope that things click for him.

enough hoping that players you don't like don't do well here. that's every bit as bad as people cheering for the team just because of a player...in fact it's a bit more lame. if he's wearing a panthers uniform and you're a panthers fan...the best thing to wish for is that he does well. it's the best thing for the team if they do well. if you don't want them to do well as a panther you are, in essence, wishing failure for this team you profess to be a fan of. why? because you don't like someone on the team or you don't like that they are on the team. doesn't that seem petty and immature? it should because it is.

you don't have to expect success for them. you don't even have to believe in them or like them. just wish and hope he does well and try to stay positive about it. life is more enjoyable that way.

in the words of that guy next to Brian, "always look on the bright side of life."

The real reason Armanti is still on the team

Hurney not willing to admit a mistake


Draft picks Hurney admitted his mistake on
All of these players were picked in the first 3 rounds and cut after no more than 2 seasons.
Everette Brown
Attiyah Ellsion
Eric Shelton
Rashard Butler
Corvey Irvin


Here's other examples of where he will admit a mistake.
-Olindo Mare was a recent one
-Cut Jake 1 year after the big contract extension

In addition you can't have any respect for Rivera if you think he allows Hurney to keep these guys over ones who are more qualified and would be a bigger help to the team.

I seem to remember at OTA's back in 2010 Hurney was asked about Armanti and what was in store for him.

Hurney's reply, and this is going from memory, was that the Panthers would be transitioning him to WR and have a three year plan for him to develop in that role.

Well, here we are starting out year three. And while most of us don't believe he has shown enough to be kept on the roster, it is hard to deny that he has improved a bit as a player. So he has not regressed, only made progress year after year.

So what it boils down to is Hurney being true to his word regarding Armanti. It is not unheard of for things to "click" very quickly with a third year player. Maybe it will this season for Armanti.

We all should be really hoping so.


Zod right on point how soon do fans forget! Marty Hurney 2010 http://www.panthers....e3-80e9c26c2125
If it "clicks" for Armanti he might develop into a competent backup wr, maybe the #5. Is that worth it?
Has nothing to do with Hurney. JR wanted him here, and must still want him.

Has nothing to do with Hurney. JR wanted him here, and must still want him.


Incorrect.

BigCat does not decide if players are here. He is not Jerry Jones, thank god.

If it "clicks" for Armanti he might develop into a competent backup wr, maybe the #5. Is that worth it?

With what we gave up, doubtful. But if he turns into a competent back up WR and Pilares develops like everyone hopes he does. Then that gives a pretty solid receiving corp, and I'm fine with that.
This coaching regime has shown no favoritism towards players, especially those drafted before they got here. AE is here because the coaching staff believes that he is more developed and has a better chance to contribute than those who were cut in favor of him staying. It's that simple.

AE is here because Rivera and Co. believe that he was the best option to keep out of the available receivers. Now any of you are free to question that decision and consider yourself a better talent eye than this entire coaching staff, but also keep in mind that, to most of us, you look like a fuging moron.

Those of you who think that this is some JR or Hurney conspiracy forcing Rivera to keep AE are living in a fuging fantasy world.
I've been critical of him, and inpatient. But if he is wearing our uni, I will be rooting for him.

This coaching regime has shown no favoritism towards players, especially those drafted before they got here. AE is here because the coaching staff believes that he is more developed and has a better chance to contribute than those who were cut in favor of him staying. It's that simple.

AE is here because Rivera and Co. believe that he was the best option to keep out of the available receivers. Now any of you are free to question that decision and consider yourself a better talent eye than this entire coaching staff, but also keep in mind that, to most of us, you look like a fuging moron.

Those of you who think that this is some JR or Hurney conspiracy forcing Rivera to keep AE are living in a fuging fantasy world.


Now see, when I say stuff like this in the Tinderbox, I get accused of being a Sheep. :)

Fwiw, I agree with you though.
this wouldnt have been such a big deal if Armanti had gotten to play the whole preseason with Cam and Anderson like Ajirotutu did
Sounds like some of you think Hurney makes these decisions in a vacuum. RR and his staff has a lot of input into who stays and who goes.

I think they see the work that Armanti has put into improving and are appreciative of that effort.

It's also commendable that the team rewards effort and dedication. This resonates with other players on the team and can have a positive effect on the whole locker room.

Is it worth keeping him if his ceiling is only a #5 WR? I say yes because his improvement and effort to get there was probably more significant than others that were cut.

Also guys like Jared Green and others can be stashed on the practice squad where AE can't. I'm pulling for him and I hope he continues to improve.
The Armanti project also made a lot more sense when the plan was to have an unathletic QB....

Now all those gadget plays with him behind C are pointless.

I thought Person made a good point...why not keep the better ST player when looking at the #5 WR spot considering that is what they will do? That wasn't AE.....
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carolina-chuck
Sep 01 2012 08:39 AM
Why dnt we trade up in the first next year and take Denard Robinson assuming he comes out. Make him a WR, that I have more faith.
After Joe Adams muffed that punt I suddenly missed Armanti's reliability fielding a ball. He didn't make a single mistake fielding punts last season, and only fair caught the ball 9 times so he was under some pressure for most of those punts. Didn't do anything great with them, granted, but with our offense which would you prefer? A high risk, high reward guy like Adams or someone who will never lose a posession for us?

He was able to make the jump from lost to reliable in one season. No reason to doubt he can make the jump from reliable to effective this season.

If it "clicks" for Armanti he might develop into a competent backup wr, maybe the #5. Is that worth it?

if it really clicks for edwards and if he becomes what they hoped he would, he'll be the next smitty.

i think we saw in college what he's capable of with the ball in his hands...and he could be a real threat.

the issue is how to get the ball in his hands and get it to him in space, where he's really dangerous. it's also helping him get over that fear of getting hit.

now i don't have faith that he will live anywhere close to those hopes/expectations they had for him, but i'm hoping that he can get those issues worked out.
Tim, by that same logic would it not make sense to take the high risk high reward guy, give him a year to progress just ass armanti had, and then see?

I was very very high on Adams in this draft. I like his upside a lot more than Armanti's. (Granted, one is a true WR and the other a converted QB)

I do think there's nothing wrong with keeping armanti as insurance until gettis is back, simply because he knows the playbook and he did show progression this preseason. Might as well see what he's got one last time before we just crush him.

We've got a good squad here wether or not Armanti is the #5 guy.

Tim, by that same logic would it not make sense to take the high risk high reward guy, give him a year to progress just ass armanti had, and then see?


If we had an average-to-clausen offense then it wouldn't even be a question. I'm very glad we got Adams, but his upside is roughly equivalent to our offense's. If he's more likely to turn the ball over than our offense is, then Aramanti's reliability is more beneficial to the team.

I have no problem with giving him a year to progress, but having a reliable guy ready to take your spot will speed that progression up and give us an option to turn to if he can't change his ways.
Armanti Edwards is on the roster because David Gettis is on the PUP. Simple as that. The Panthers have been carrying 6 WRs on the roster for many years and the numbers game is why he's still here.

Smith & LaFell are your starters
Murphy is the #3
Pilares and Adams are KO and punt returners and are also #4 and #5
Edwards is in at #6 and while he made the 53-man roster, he likely won't dress for the gameday 45-man roster for a majority of the games..

what happens when Gettis comes back? Somebody is going away...

Tim, by that same logic would it not make sense to take the high risk high reward guy, give him a year to progress just ass armanti had, and then see?

I was very very high on Adams in this draft. I like his upside a lot more than Armanti's. (Granted, one is a true WR and the other a converted QB)

I do think there's nothing wrong with keeping armanti as insurance until gettis is back, simply because he knows the playbook and he did show progression this preseason. Might as well see what he's got one last time before we just crush him.

We've got a good squad here wether or not Armanti is the #5 guy.



There lies the issues the converted QB out performed the true WR's in camp showing his improvements and as Hurney stated in the video 1 year to learn and 1 year to train and hopefully this will be the year he perform what they projected him to be. :)

Armanti Edwards is on the roster because David Gettis is on the PUP. Simple as that. The Panthers have been carrying 6 WRs on the roster for many years and the numbers game is why he's still here.

Smith & LaFell are your starters
Murphy is the #3
Pilares and Adams are KO and punt returners and are also #4 and #5
Edwards is in at #6 and while he made the 53-man roster, he likely won't dress for the gameday 45-man roster for a majority of the games..

what happens when Gettis comes back? Somebody is going away...

it won't be a WR.

The Armanti project also made a lot more sense when the plan was to have an unathletic QB....

Now all those gadget plays with him behind C are pointless.

I thought Person made a good point...why not keep the better ST player when looking at the #5 WR spot considering that is what they will do? That wasn't AE.....


Would not be surprised to see AE returning punts early this season. Adams put an awful lot of balls on the turf and probably is not in the staff's good graces right now.